How are people fighting vampires?

alexj4596b14_ESO

basically in title, vet vampires. I went up ageist a vet vamp and the "bats" basicly just instantly killed me. i was wondering in if there way a way too fight them as a tank at all or should i completely switch specs for pvp?

Sihnfahl

Are you not flipping between action bars in PvP?

alexj4596b14_ESO

Both of my bars i use for tanking, most of my abbltiys are shields and amour bost, ccs, or health regin or a tanunt, im going too drop the taunt for pvp, and the probably the health regin abbltiy and put some fighters guild abblitys there. but i was trying too use a little points as i could. This is what im runing right now. http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#cMkXyyy1ar8A4rK8daut8fXhs8NUmu8NUod8AIPq8AIQ18NUmU8Niqz8NUmu8NUod8L7JrkLu6cdoQr6MdoQC6MdoQF6MdoQJ8T7JLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAI6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7HLR3a6LR3b6rR3r6rR3f6MfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI8H7DLzwM6MNieh6MNieA6MNieT6MNiey8J7JLziD6LziO6rziX6MNUIz6MNUIc6MNUIi6MNUIN8K7DLkg6rzun6MANRQ6MANRZ8O7mrdeB837crw33847pzxLCe6cxLDm6cxLDo8zN7asJZcY6cJZrM6cJZuA6cJZuT6cJZuy

alexj4596b14_ESO

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#cMkXyyy1ar8A4rK8daut8fXhs8NUmu8NUod8Lxkn8LxaL8A4w28NUVF8NUmu8NUod8L7JrkLu6cdoQr6MdoQC6MdoQF6MdoQJ8T7JLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAI6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7HLR3a6LR3b6rR3r6rR3f6MfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI8H7DLzwM6MNieh6MNieA6MNieT6MNiey8J7JLziD6LziO6rziX6LziY6MNUIz6MNUIc6MNUIi6MNUIN8K7DLkg6rzun6MANRQ6MANRZ8O7ordeB6LdeD8P7krdYf6LdYh6cLncn6zLyjz837crw33847pzxLCe6cxLDm6cxLDo8zN7asJZcY6cJZrM6cJZuA6cJZuT6cJZuy

somthing like this for pvp

Sihnfahl

Okay, so, what's your spell mitigation?

alexj4596b14_ESO

1100 without buff or anything, with 19** don't rember exactly for the buffed one

Phoenix99

Basically you need to roll a magicka based DK with sword and shield, or go with the sorc builds (for example the ones above) as these are the only two classes with a reliable lock down for vampires (encase and dark talons). Sorc might opt in for switching one of the skills for bolt escape with morphs to match the mobility of vampires.

Or you have to go vamp yourself.

Thechemicals

Silver bolts and ultimate

alexj4596b14_ESO

Phoenix99 wrote: »

Basically you need to roll a magicka based DK with sword and shield, or go with the sorc builds (for example the ones above) as these are the only two classes with a reliable lock down for vampires (encase and dark talons). Sorc might opt in for switching one of the skills for bolt escape with morphs to match the mobility of vampires.

Or you have to go vamp yourself.

i did think about that, and when u pointed out the chain i see in my head, Silver leash,

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#cMkXyyy1ar8A4rK8daut8fXhs8NUmu8NUod8Lxkn8LxaL8A4w28Niqz8NUmu8NUod8L7JrkLu6cdoQr6MdoQC6MdoQF6MdoQJ8T7JLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAI6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7HLR3a6LR3b6rR3r6rR3f6MfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI8H7DLzwM6MNieh6MNieA6MNieT6MNiey8J7JLziD6LziO6rziX6LziY6MNUIz6MNUIc6MNUIi6MNUIN8K7DLkg6rzun6MANRQ6MANRZ8O7ordeB6LdeD8P7krdYf6LdYh6cLncn6zLyjz837crw33847pzxLCe6cxLDm6cxLDo8zN7asJZcY6cJZrM6cJZuA6cJZuT6cJZuy

how about somthing like that? with a fire based weapon?

alexj4596b14_ESO

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#cMkXyyy1ar8A4rK8daut8fXhs8NUmu8NUod8LxaL8fXuG8A4w28Niqz8NUmu8NUod8L7JrkLu6cdoQr6MdoQC6MdoQF6MdoQJ8T7JLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAI6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7HLR3a6LR3b6rR3d6rR3r6rR3f6MfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI8H7DLzwM6MNieh6MNieA6MNieT6MNiey8J7JLziD6LziO6rziX6LziY6MNUIz6MNUIc6MNUIi6MNUIN8K7DLkg6rzun6MANRQ6MANRZ8O7ordeB6LdeD8P7krdYf6LdYh6cLncn6zLyjz837crw33847pzxLCe6cxLDm6cxLDo8zN7asJZcY6cJZrM6cJZuA6cJZuT6cJZuy

or this

Phoenix99

If you are focusing to fight vamps, go for dawnbreaker of smiting as an ult instead of atronach. You can also go for something like Power Overload for AoE heavy dmg. Atronach isn't really a good choice against vamps IMO.

All in all, things require testing, but on paper it MIGHT work. Just do not rely too much on silver bolts killing vampires, use it more like a harass tool with an odd bonus once in a while, and remember about holding some stamina for defensive purposes.

you might also think about switching the 5th skill for bolt escape on second tab. playing sorc without the super mobility they offer is limiting your options. (besides using ball of lightning and then following up with encase can give you enough of time to kill them)

build items around magicka pool and magicka regen.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Phoenix99 wrote: »

If you are focusing to fight vamps, go for dawnbreaker of smiting as an ult instead of atronach. You can also go for something like Power Overload for AoE heavy dmg. Atronach isn't really a good choice against vamps IMO.

All in all, things require testing, but on paper it MIGHT work. Just do not rely too much on silver bolts killing vampires, use it more like a harass tool with an odd bonus once in a while, and remember about holding some stamina for defensive purposes.

you might also think about switching the 5th skill for bolt escape on second tab. playing sorc without the super mobility they offer is limiting your options. (besides using ball of lightning and then following up with encase can give you enough of time to kill them)

build items around magicka pool and magicka regen.

so silver bolts dose not do any damge so why is it worth it too have it? i mean the pull is nice, then stun, then pull and stun blot out?

Armitas

I can't answer your question. I just thought it was pretty insightful to see someone ask how to beat another build instead of just asking for the devs to nerf the build as is all to common in PvP forums.

(not making any +/- statements as to current skills in discussion)

Phoenix99

Silver bolts with the leash morph is okish for harass, but has big drawbacks. It costs stamina, and quite a lot of it. It is very RNG based, and RNG is something you want to rely on least when in high level gaming. Leash pull won't work if your target will break the hard CC initial knockdown effect, and it also won't work if you are trying to pull the target back, when he is still knocked down or in the mist form. As a harass tool it is ok, but remember that if you will burn your stamina, you will be susceptible for lockdown (stuns, roots, snares, fear). Unless you are going with a team of people who can save your butt by focused healing and taking aggro from you when you are in trouble, then keep your stamina bar around half full

alexj4596b14_ESO

so i waited a point in getting that skill, then

alexj4596b14_ESO

Phoenix99 wrote: »

Silver bolts with the leash morph is okish for harass, but has big drawbacks. It costs stamina, and quite a lot of it. It is very RNG based, and RNG is something you want to rely on least when in high level gaming. Leash pull won't work if your target will break the hard CC initial knockdown effect, and it also won't work if you are trying to pull the target back, when he is still knocked down or in the mist form. As a harass tool it is ok, but remember that if you will burn your stamina, you will be susceptible for lockdown (stuns, roots, snares, fear). Unless you are going with a team of people who can save your butt by focused healing and taking aggro from you when you are in trouble, then keep your stamina bar around half full

what about the banish ability of it dose that not work in pvp?

Phoenix99

The banish works in PvP, but you should not rely on 5% chance, when your skill is not spammable to overcome the RNG (Random Number Generator). Silver bolts are not spammable (high cost and takes from stamina pool). Use them, but use them with care, as they will leave you defenseless if you will burn too much stamina.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Phoenix99 wrote: »

The banish works in PvP, but you should not rely on 5% chance, when your skill is not spammable to overcome the RNG (Random Number Generator). Silver bolts are not spammable (high cost and takes from stamina pool). Use them, but use them with care, as they will leave you defenseless if you will burn too much stamina.

Then would the defiance shiled be a better option for a tank? Maybe?

Antonie

Hi guys, i have read the comments so far and it seems like that the main focus on this discussion is based on skill/built based 1vs1 fighting a high level vampire. PvP in ESO is considerably more than this aspect only. Personally i do not expect single 1vs1 fighting but moreover small group encounters during a siege on any fortified position. Dropping oil comes to my mind. I often hear vampires complain about the initial damage and the damage over time effect to be a death sentence to them. Fire balista should work too. Any other strategic advantage should also be approved.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Antonie wrote: »

Hi guys, i have read the comments so far and it seems like that the main focus on this discussion is based on skill/built based 1vs1 fighting a high level vampire. PvP in ESO is considerably more than this aspect only. Personally i do not expect single 1vs1 fighting but moreover small group encounters during a siege on any fortified position. Dropping oil comes to my mind. I often hear vampires complain about the initial damage and the damage over time effect to be a death sentence to them. Fire balista should work too. Any other strategic advantage should also be approved.

Well, my guild and I noticed te on "goldbrand" campaign out alliance had totally lost the whole map! Over night so we started too seige a keep, as we had been pushed back all the way too our gates! My guild is small and we didn't really have any of our alliance members on line too help, well we ended up going against 1 vampire and he used the batt move and kill me and anther guildly! One shotted us, well that's we my deff abblity poped which I have allot of then but still couldn't Survive, this is what brought on my worrie and how too combat them, my tank build only needs 2 more skill points and it's done, the other 150+ I don't need, so I figured I'd make a vamp slayer type build too avoid that outcome again, now the vamp was vet 8 and I'm only lvl 40 so I know there is some difference but still!

Antonie

Veteran level in PvP is desireable as by then you will not be scaled up. I do not know if you have noticed it or not but level 40 onwards being scaled up may actually hinder you as long as you did not reach Veteran rank. I know that some of my guildmates have less armor in cyrodiil than outside(eg. 1800 armor but because of being scaled you have like 1300).
Oh and yes you might think that it is only a small difference but i can guarantee you it is a huge difference. You might have had a total different outcome when you and the vampire would both be at the same level.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Antonie wrote: »

Veteran level in PvP is desireable as by then you will not be scaled up. I do not know if you have noticed it or not but level 40 onwards being scaled up may actually hinder you as long as you did not reach Veteran rank. I know that some of my guildmates have less armor in cyrodiil than outside(eg. 1800 armor but because of being scaled you have like 1300).
Oh and yes you might think that it is only a small difference but i can guarantee you it is a huge difference. You might have had a total different outcome when you and the vampire would both be at the same level.

I did not know that!

Silverion

At moment VL6+ vampire is totaly unbalanced on EU dawnbraker we have a lot of them and i have seen them wipe small raids in seconds problem is that NOTHING else is on same level, i didnt seen any other skill combination that have such devastating efects and give near invulnerability.

Cydone

Fire....lots and lots of fire!

Silverion

Sorc with Fire staff Vl1 and 2 VL 2+ Dragon knights using all fire abilities + 14 other people that i dont know levels, all get wiped by vampire sorc VL8 using AOE + BATS ultimate + Mist, other skills he used i wil not mention here to not spread a disease :P. Fire was not enough ... next time i will try to slot Shield and silver bolts ...

btw, i wish to see, who can hit running vampire with siege engines, if vampire is not totaly dumb :P

chrisub17_ESO104

Do NOT use silver bolts on the DK vampires. Those guys are using reflective scale, and and the silver bolt proc is magic damage. When you get a proc off on them, it will pretty much one shot you.

Take them out with physical damage at range. Don't use magic, don't get in melee range.

Our group had some issues with these guys the first couple of times until we figured out their build. Now we just all switch to physical ranged, keep spread out, and burn them down pretty fast.

Is it a fairly OP combo? Ya. I would be happy if they made the silver bolt proc physical instead of magic damage. That would put a stop to the vampire DK's running wild on most groups. But they can be beat as is.

chrisub17_ESO104

Cydone wrote: »

Fire....lots and lots of fire!

If you want to kill yourself, do that.

Reavan

The only problem with vampire is the ultimate.
AoEs are OP on their own but this one is probably one of the best ones along with DKs banner, stuff like this should have reduced damage and healing in PVP.
Or if you do not want to reduce it just for pvp reduce it over all.

It's not fun to be killed by a few guys that never even knew you were there.
That never targeted you but were only in your general area.
Really bad gameplay.

Mikelius

Vampires are very unbalanced.
On Downdreaker server we have pvp guild for Vets+Vampires at Daggerfall side. There is often no way to resist them even if we have more numbers.
I live in this Bat swarm 3 seconds.
I think, its absolutely not normal when vampire can stand between 20 people, survive and kill half of them.

Lexander

you need full fighter's guild skill bar if you want at least to tickle those vamp fanboys, m8

alexj4596b14_ESO

lol, well i just became a vamp, not sure if its going too work out as a tank, but il see! as of right now i think its going to be more of a hindrance then a helpful thing! we will see, i have come up with a cc type build for pvp that i will test later on!