Emperors - uh yea

AresSilverthorn

My first jaunt into Cyrodiil last night and we face an Emperor. Without heals, he single-handedly killed all us, a group of 20 players. That's right, 20 players could not get this guy past half health any any point. One player. I know we get an Emperor as well, but when one person, ONE, can solo a large group and defend an entire area this way, one has but to wonder if this makes sense. Does Emperor power(s) have to be this high that 20 enemy players can't take him/her down?

Carde

Lol, Emperor has been pretty beastmode since the first AvA testing. But when they added the healing bonus its like they just decided, "We don't want them to die."

Xnemesis

Its really depends on who is emperor. I have killed an emperor before but I was a nightblade that was lvl 36 and the emp was a lvl 13. I also hit him from behind while in full stealth and straight beat his face in by ambushing him over and over. If he cant move or use an ability then all you have to do is out dps his regen before your resources are gone. Now if the emp had been a say lvl 50 he would have just flicked me to the side like a fly after my resources were gone. LvL and class make a huge difference in pvp emp or not. Just be happy you didn't have to deal with a lvl 50 emp on a ballista one shotting people lol

NordJitsu

I like this personal. It makes Emperorship meaningful, like it should be.

What campaign was this on BTW?

AresSilverthorn

Carde wrote: »

Lol, Emperor has been pretty beastmode since the first AvA testing. But when they added the healing bonus its like they just decided, "We don't want them to die."

Prob is the maple syrup slurping fat guy who wants to be emperor will go 30 hours straight at his PC and end up in cardiac arrest. Zenimax then gets sued, and we're all out of a game. <smirk>

Thechemicals

Emperor is like a raidboss except he is bugged and cannot die.

AresSilverthorn

NordJitsu wrote: »

I like this personal. It makes Emperorship meaningful, like it should be.

Well, not if large groups of players see the enemy Emporer and just go the other direction. Altering battles because one player is given ridiculous powers isn't really PvP, now, is it?

Pryda

What about you don't stay in melee of a DK Emperor?

Carde

AresSilverthorn wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

I like this personal. It makes Emperorship meaningful, like it should be.

Well, not if large groups of players see the enemy Emporer and just go the other direction. Altering battles because one player is given ridiculous powers isn't really PvP, now, is it?

Stone in the stream, etc etc?

Sylvanna

1v20 is nothing. You haven't seen Emperor Ballistas one-shotting people yet.

ZiRM

It sounds frustrating and not fun...for you 20 players that is.

Sasquatch72

I believe he was vr4 and we were all boosted. I was one of the sacrifical lambs.

OtarTheMad

Emperor's are tough but a group I was in have killed one... twice... one by ballistas and once about 5 of us caught him trying to sneak attack us and jumped him. It was fun.

chris.carr08b16_ESO

u dont know the power of the dark side

RabidJoint

What is crap is all these AD noobs going to low pop servers to get Emporer, and then switching over to Auriel's Bow...gg you still suck

Elyna

NordJitsu wrote: »

I like this personal. It makes Emperorship meaningful, like it should be.

What campaign was this on BTW?

I wish being emperor gave you an RTS view of Cyrodiil, actually commanding your troops. It would be more interesting to give you a new play style instead of just making you the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Kizzarse

Heh, its a cheap trick to have only 1 Emperor with god status in a pvp game? Not sure what ZeniMax Online Studios was thinking when they implemented this. True PvPers look for challenging fights not become a raid boss and 1 shotting people.

Might be also the reason why Campaigns are full, as soon as people realize they cant be Emperor and getting farmed they leave and join the winning Campaign.

Why dont they give out fancy titles instead?

seanolan

Apparently Emperors get easier to kill in 3E 433. Just wait around a bit.

Eisenhovver

He is the emperor. He is supposed to go beast mode on fools. He is no Geoffrey. They can be beaten though. 20v1 is pretty impressive tbh.

Grawlog

seanolan wrote: »

Apparently Emperors get easier to kill in 3E 433. Just wait around a bit.

Winner.

Thechemicals

An emperor should be powerful, but should still need his army. The emperor should be weakened in power when he doesnt have enough allies around him.

Thechemicals

...Because an emperor who is overpowered all the time isnt an emperor.....just Rambo the one man army.

Marstar

Thechemicals wrote: »

An emperor should be powerful, but should still need his army. The emperor should be weakened in power when he doesnt have enough allies around him.

LOL, so those complaining that they can't kill him 20:1 will be happy to face him with his army in tow?

If you can't handle an Emperor dethrone him and Crown one of you own

Alandauron

Sasquatch72 wrote: »

I believe he was vr4 and we were all boosted. I was one of the sacrifical lambs.

Well that explains it right there. VR4 vs boosted, I would be surprised if a VR4 DK that had any brains would fall to 20 boosted players period, add in Emperor bonuses, doesn't surprise me.

DK standard and broken talons for the WIN! I'm not a DK btw, but that's what I see spammed by just about all of them. When you see a DK VR the strategy is to stay fairly spaced out, if you group up, death. Close enough to attack, far enough to make it tough to get all if you locked into that aoe death pool.

Sykotik_ESO

If you all were up leveled no wonder.

Last night 4 or 5 of us vr1-6 took out an emporer and his companion without too much trouble. Play it right and need some llevels too, they are killable, but there needs to be an actual perk to being one.

Morkulth

Want to kill an emperor? Spread out and don't let him hit multiple targets. #Winning

Nickyfazzo

Agreed. A SINGLE player can just walk into the middle of a zerg and wipe 20-30 people without dropping is a ridiculous mechanic. Saturday our server population was locked and we had most of the people trying to take the last keep to dethrone the emperor. The emperor would just come down solo and wipe 20-30 people by himself drop banner, reflect shield, pulsar. When health got low, green dragon blood and do it over and over and over. That single keep never fell, I can only imagine the hundreds of thousands of valor the emperor gained doing this. I don't even want to go back to Cyrodiil because I know a single player can pretty much deny progress.

Cheatingdeath23

That makes me feel better... I died to the same player like 5 times one night, then found out she was the empress.

RivenEsq

NordJitsu wrote: »

I like this personal. It makes Emperorship meaningful, like it should be.

Could not agree more. Emperors should be strong as hell. They should be able to take on groups like that (especially if they were a DK). Let's be real here, stat bonuses like those provided to factions who take enemy keeps and the bonuses you get from scrolls and the Emperorship are NECESSARY for the game to continue to have true 3-way fights. I've seen it happen before where these bonuses get defined as "win-more" rather than core mechanics in 3 faction PvP and it was horrible. They took away orbs in Guild Wars 2 that were similar to scrolls. And then there was no incentive to attack the first place faction (server). These things need to stay meaningful or you're going to see the strong faction and second strongest just pick on the weaker one for free points before turning on each other when they are wiped off the map.

I really hope none of the stat bonuses are changed because those are what really force there to be map politics and competitive gameplay.

tclark1122b14_ESO

RivenVII wrote: »

Could not agree more. Emperors should be strong as hell. They should be able to take on groups like that (especially if they were a DK).

No, they shouldn't. It's game breaking for them to be that strong since the mechanic to dethrone them can be completely removed by that one person.

That's not even mentioning that destroying the game for a group of 20+ people to give something "cool" to 1 person in a multiplayer PvP game is just plain dumb. It's a bad mechanic, it's not fun, and any reward for victories gained by the faction should be enjoyed by the faction and not a single person who gets cheat mode enabled.

RivenEsq

tclark1122b14_ESO wrote: »

No, they shouldn't. It's game breaking for them to be that strong since the mechanic to dethrone them can be completely removed by that one person.

That's not even mentioning that destroying the game for a group of 20+ people to give something "cool" to 1 person in a multiplayer PvP game is just plain dumb. It's a bad mechanic, it's not fun, and any reward for victories gained by the faction should be enjoyed by the faction and not a single person who gets cheat mode enabled.

I killed an Emperor 1 on 1 two days ago. There are certain things that are broken when someone is emperor, but not because emperor is broken itself. Things like bat swarm ult spam and DK banner spam make the emperor using them essentially immortal. It's about a need for those skills being nerfed and not Emperor being nerfed as a mechanic. That player is also #1 on his factions leaderboard, which, fallacies aside, means that he is the best PvP player on that server, in theory. Not only that, but he also earned the hell out of that title (once again, in theory). Taking into account that he is probably vr10 and the majority of those 20 he killed were probably not even vr1, then yeah, I really don't doubt that he stomped you.

If you let a server crown an emperor, they should get those buffs, and, it really is only one guy. If 20 people aren't layering cc's, silences, and damage, then he is free to do as he pleases.

Are you going to attack the server that has the emperor because, every minute he is crowned, your faction is at a disadvantage, or are you going to go attack the weaker faction while the faction with the emperorship runs amok?

This mechanic forces you to attack the strongest faction. Period. If you can't see that it is a really cool mechanic that rewards the top player and inherently creates balance in a 3-faction PvP system, then there is no helping you.