Nightly Lowpop Flipovers

Libertine

to put it simple, whats up with that ?
Ive just seen 80% of the map on Auriels Bow as well as all scrolls flipped over in one night.

frankly, this is BS. I know its been an issue thats been around in games like warhammer as well but shouldnt there be mechanics in place preventing people from exploiting off peak hours and low pop ?
one night gave them more of a score advantage than an entire day of hard fighting...not exactly motivating to see something like that.

ThatHappyCat

"Exploiting off-peak hours". Contrary to what you may believe, your time zone is not the only one on the planet. Your off-peak is someone else's peak.

Libertine

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

"Exploiting off-peak hours". Contrary to what you may believe, your time zone is not the only one on the planet. Your off-peak is someone else's peak.

oh, watch out, we got a "smart" one here. maybe try understanding what peak population means. the fact that at 20:00 GMT all factions are full and at 2 at night hardly anybodys on says it all really.

Feodred

What so you're suggesting that you should basically just take down the alliance wars when it's at a time you don't like, the whole point is you're meant to not have a chance to catch your breath, night raids/off peak raids are what make the world constantly changing and mean that alliances need to make sure they have defenders on at those times.

In conclusion nothing should be done about that, you may lose bases at off peak times but you will most likely get them back at peak times.

Libertine

Feodred wrote: »

What so you're suggesting that you should basically just take down the alliance wars when it's at a time you don't like, the whole point is you're meant to not have a chance to catch your breath, night raids/off peak raids are what make the world constantly changing and mean that alliances need to make sure they have defenders on at those times.

well ... european server ... mostly european players whos days revovles around a european schedule ... so what you suggest is that in order to have a fair shot at the campaign some of os just need to quit life and start playing nights and sleeping days so that theres always enough people on ?
thats just brilliant ...

and again, the issue here is that you get more of a points advantage out of flipping empty keeps than you do fighting all day....thats the real problem here.

ThatHappyCat

Libertine wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

"Exploiting off-peak hours". Contrary to what you may believe, your time zone is not the only one on the planet. Your off-peak is someone else's peak.

oh, watch out, we got a "smart" one here. maybe try understanding what peak population means. the fact that at 20:00 GMT all factions are full and at 2 at night hardly anybodys on says it all really.

The point flew right over your head I see. I'm asking you to look at it from the perspective of people who live in different time zones. Them playing at the best time for them is "exploiting", according to you, and should be punished.

Or maybe you never considered there might be people who don't live in the US of A, judging by your comments about "nightly raids" and no-lifes?

If your jimmies are getting mightily rustled about this, I suggest you demand ZOS to open more servers around the world.

Sykotik_ESO

This has to be a joke lol.

The USA is not the only country in the world nor is it the only country that has internet and video games and computers.

Should we ask the world to not conduct world business while you sleep also?

Any rvr, wvw type gameplay has and always will be 24 hours, it is part of the strategy and mechanics. If you don't like that then clearly it is not for you.

Libertine

Sykotik_ESO wrote: »

The USA is not the only country in the world nor is it the only country that has internet and video games and computers.

yeah ... thing is ... im not talking about the US

joshisanonymous

OP: Yes, you should try to have people on your server who live in places like Australia if you want to ensure that you don't lose territory in the middle of the night (your time). Apparently your opponents have some of these players and it's not uncommon for guild recruitment to happen this way.

But this is how persistent PvP works, it persists, even when you sleep. The fact that you wake up to find your territory taken should be cause for wanting to take it right back, not for throwing in the gloves and going home. Besides, I doubt they're making more points in the middle of the night than you make playing during high population hours since you get more AP for killing players and taking defended keeps.

You might also want to imagine being on a side that never quite has the numbers your opponents do. In this scenario, it's nice to at least have a point in the day where you stand a chance to capture things. In the end, I don't expect populations to be like this for very long anyway. As everyone starts getting to 50, I'm sure most servers will end up being more or less full at all hours, unless the game simply didn't do well in Oceania.

PS. For f's sake, why do you all have to blame this guy's complaining on the US, even after he stated something about Europe? My country isn't the only one in the world with self-serving people in it.

Oblongship

Libertine wrote: »

to put it simple, whats up with that ?
Ive just seen 80% of the map on Auriels Bow as well as all scrolls flipped over in one night.

frankly, this is BS. I know its been an issue thats been around in games like warhammer as well but shouldnt there be mechanics in place preventing people from exploiting off peak hours and low pop ?
one night gave them more of a score advantage than an entire day of hard fighting...not exactly motivating to see something like that.

You heard it first kids....

If you play at a different time than this guy...you are exploiting!

ThatHappyCat

Oblongship wrote: »

Libertine wrote: »

to put it simple, whats up with that ?
Ive just seen 80% of the map on Auriels Bow as well as all scrolls flipped over in one night.

frankly, this is BS. I know its been an issue thats been around in games like warhammer as well but shouldnt there be mechanics in place preventing people from exploiting off peak hours and low pop ?
one night gave them more of a score advantage than an entire day of hard fighting...not exactly motivating to see something like that.

You heard it first kids....

If you play at a different time than this guy...you are exploiting!

How dare these plebeians exploit the sphericity of the planet!?

Oh and, no Australian who values her or his sanity will play on an EU server (yes I am aware the EU servers are currently in the US). The ping times are horrendous.

Darka

As someone who plays in a zone now deemed "off peak"
Why would i bother pvping or doing anything in that area if it didnt count because you were asleep
Sometimes you have to think outside your town, state and country.


It was lucky that all fighting in any war stopped at nights, imagine how much longer World War II would have gone on for if it wasnt a 9 - 5 War, where everyone went home who was alive at the end of the Day
- "Honey I am home!"
- " Oh Husband i am so glad you have returned, how was your day?
- " Oh you know same old same old, shot at, the grind was terrible today, boss was a real ***, all You need to zerg rush their camp blah blah blah, I was like *** chill I dont even have that ability, im sniper spec not foot soldier. But having beers with the boys who are left after War on friday!, meeting some of the German guys too, they seem nice "

SpecBop

The thing with Auriel's Bow is, AD maintains max population 24/7 pretty much while the other two alliance's only have max pop during peak hours. So AD consistently has a huge numbers advantage over the other two most of the time. SO much so they constantly dominate the map. DC and EP never have a time of day where they get that kind of advantage.

Mobius0

I don't care where you play from, there IS absolutely a peak time. Peak time = time when the most players are on.

And I think his problem is with the way points work. I think it's reasonable.

Getorix

Im assuming hes talking about the North American server and if he is why are you people all arguing about other countries time zones?

ThatHappyCat

Getorix wrote: »

Im assuming hes talking about the North American server and if he is why are you tools all arguing about other countries time zones?

Because North American servers are the only servers, so players from all over the world play on those servers. Also he claims to be European, although currently EU servers are in NA as well.

Mobius0

Prime time has nothing to do with time zones or server locations. It had 100% to do with how many players are logged in.

Prime time is whatever time period has the most players logged in each day. The EU server obviously has a different prime time than the NA one, regardless of where they are at.

And geez, why am I even bothering to explain this? Am I speaking to 5 year olds on this forum?

Commonpain

I think its a difficult situation. Of course an organized group(or maybe two) should be able to pull a nice action within a night. I think this keeps the game from getting boring.

But one also has to understand the opposite site... Most players (EU) play from about 2pm to 12pm CET. Of course there are players from Asia, Australia, Africa, USA etc. But fact is that around very early morning almost noone is online normally. In such a timeframe, an organited group of 24-48 Players can easily take many keeps/scrolls. And now imagine fighting 8 hours not to lose a keep or two and then you log off/on and whoopsie all your base (and those of the second faction) are belong to the third faction

I would suggest not considering this exploiting or anything like that. But I personally think that in hours of low population either

• Score has to be far lower as you need far less force to capture a keep/Scroll.
• Or The Game should dynamically strengthen Keeps of a weak alliance or weaken players of a strong alliance.

This should imho also apply to empty campaigns which are dominated by only one guild (or maybe 2-3) or alliance for example, because those campaigns give the respective players advantages also in PVE (for example Wabbajack - Pact)

shimmyatwa_ESO

Hypocrits are hilarious. Apparently we all need to get together with the OP and learn his schedule so we can rearrange our lives to fit it. Otherwise it's an exploit to be playing when he's not there.

There is no point advantage to taking unmanned keeps, it's actually a disadvantage. You lose out on all the extra AP you'd get for killing defenders. You get the same for killing one person as you do for taking a keep.

If the scores are close enough during "peak" hours that they can pull that far ahead of you with "off peak" takeovers, them maybe you're alliance should work to change that.

Closing off the game or making things harder on the people that can only play when you're sleeping isn't fair to them. Yes some people take advantage of it, but others have no choice.

And as someone else said. With the current imbalance on some servers, that's the only chance for some alliances to get a keep.

The issue of what's fair is all a matter of your opinion. Once you quit looking at life with a narrow minded attitude you'll see that.

Mobius0

shimmyatwa_ESO wrote: »

Hypocrits are hilarious. Apparently we all need to get together with the OP and learn his schedule so we can rearrange our lives to fit it. Otherwise it's an exploit to be playing when he's not there.

There is no point advantage to taking unmanned keeps, it's actually a disadvantage. You lose out on all the extra AP you'd get for killing defenders. You get the same for killing one person as you do for taking a keep.

If the scores are close enough during "peak" hours that they can pull that far ahead of you with "off peak" takeovers, them maybe you're alliance should work to change that.

Closing off the game or making things harder on the people that can only play when you're sleeping isn't fair to them. Yes some people take advantage of it, but others have no choice.

And as someone else said. With the current imbalance on some servers, that's the only chance for some alliances to get a keep.

The issue of what's fair is all a matter of your opinion. Once you quit looking at life with a narrow minded attitude you'll see that.

So what's not fair to the majority, is somehow fair to you, because God forbid it's unfair to the minority.

I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't cut it for me.

If you think it's fair, that a group can come in and win keeps uncontested at certain hours, then there is something wrong with you. I don't care if you are from East Asia, Oceania, or any other off-peak hour time zone.

Even if I was from Australia, and I played on the NA server, I for one would sure as hell want something to be done about this issue, because I want things to be fair, unlike your skewed viewpoint of what is "fair." What exactly do I mean? Well, it wouldn't matter what time I play at, I'd want as competitive and equal playing field as is possible. Overwhelming one side, because everyone in my time zone is mostly in the same faction, and steamrolling everyone, is not my idea of a fun time. Instead, I'd want there to be better population balancing, and a more competitive environment. A system that limits the amount of players allowed into the campaign, based on how many players are currently in Cyrodiil in the other 2 factions, would perhaps be a good solution.

But hey, I'd be perfectly willing for there to be servers that didn't have that type of balancing system, as well, for the type of people that want a more raw and unfiltered PvP experience. I just don't think it's healthy for the game, for everyone to have to deal with it.

shimmyatwa_ESO

I'm all for balance and a system to make sure it's not 1000vs30. But to lock people out of a certain part of the game because the rest of us have to sleep and go to work is a bit extreme. That's like telling your guild they can't raid without you because you won't have a chance to get the loot. Everyone that pays to play the game should have equal say. Not just the peak time players. And it seems to be the same few people saying they have a problem with this, so to say you're the majority is extreme.

gdorsettub17_ESO

I can't speak for other servers, but on Auriel's Bow the AD has max pop at all times, while at night DC and EP are all super low. We're not asking you make it unfair for the majority, because AD isn't the majority, so we're trying to make it fair for the majority. Also, we're not saying to close Cyrodiil during the night, only lower the score you get from keeps. I'm about ready to give up on AvAvA because I know that all the progress we make during the day is going to be lost at night.

EDIT: It's also to be noted that by doing this the AD has gotten a 10,000 point lead on the other alliances; the score isn't even close to even during peak hours.