Varen's Legacy not actually working?

s3dulo

I was playing around with this set on the PTS to see how the damage numbers change and it appears the proc doesn't work at all. Specifically I was testing with incinerate (which seems like it should qualify) and the numbers don't change before and after blocking an attack.

Can anyone verify if this set works or not?

s3dulo

I did more testing with this. It does work with:
The initial hit of Disintegrating Dragon Fire.
The 2H skill Carve
Power Lash
Dawn Breaker

However, it simply doesn't work with:
Incinerate
Either Core of Flame morph.
Onslaught.

I see the Varen's Wall proc but neither Incinerate, Core of Flame, nor Onslaught actually use it like the other abilities

s3dulo

What's interesting is the Varen's changes the tooltip damage for abilities like Incinerate and Core of Flame but it doesn't actually do the damage the tooltip says it should.

Urzigurumash

Incidentally the old Inhale plus Varen's was a great parlor trick because the Varen's bonus also healed you.

But not working with the new one seems in line with the fact that as far back as I recall it never worked with Proxy Det, which would have been a bit OP. Maybe it did at first, I don't recall.

It DID used to work with the old projectile Inferno, 100%, but I think maybe at some point Inferno was correctly reclassified as Single Target and it no longer did.

Anyhow at some point the language about not working with Channelled skills was added, I'm not quite sure whether this may have meant anything with a Cast Time that was Interruptable, but that's what I assume it's supposed to mean.

However it's "supposed" to work, mechanical consistency - same type of skill - between new Inhale and Proxy Det checks out right? However mechanical consistency between Onslaught and Dawny does not, right?

Used to be able to run this on DK and it would buff like most of your skills - also Breath, Talons, and Leap! Biggest Leaps of all time pre Malacath era I hit with this set. Back in the day that was overshadowed by its use on SapTank and BlazePlar, but it was a fun niche DK set.

Urzigurumash

To summarize, anytime an Instant Cast Direct AoE doesn't consume Varen's Wall, that "should" be a bug.

If there's a cast time or delay whatsoever, assume it will NOT consume Varen's Wall. It's never worked on Deep Fissure or Blastbones, pretty sure.

If you can identify cast time or delayed Direct AoEs which DO consume it, I would only regard inconsistencies as a potential bug, the rest I would assume qualifies as "Channelled", at least in this case.

s3dulo

Urzigurumash wrote: »

To summarize, anytime an Instant Cast Direct AoE doesn't consume Varen's Wall, that "should" be a bug.

If there's a cast time or delay whatsoever, assume it will NOT consume Varen's Wall. It's never worked on Deep Fissure or Blastbones, pretty sure.

If you can identify cast time or delayed Direct AoEs which DO consume it, I would only regard inconsistencies as a potential bug, the rest I would assume qualifies as "Channelled", at least in this case.

Thanks for the insight here. That makes sense. I think using the word "channeled" in the tooltip is misleading. I expect an interruptible cast time, like you described. I would expect jabs or elemental explosion not to work for example. But it seems channeled or time delayed AOEs have been excluded. Still, because the first activation of incinerate is instant, it should work there but that would probably overcomplicate the code.. And there must be a bug when it comes to Onslaught. That is definitely one where it should work if Dawn Breaker works

It's pretty fun with flame lash. I tried it with the riposte CP and landed a near 70k single flame lash on a WB while testing.