Make Pyrebrand crit again

Dracane

s3dulo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

if a Sorc doesn't want to fight a DK at melee range, there isn't much to be done about it.

Just wait, next patch all of the mediocre players will be whining and complaining about pure sorcs. DK meta was only ever going to be a thing for a few months.

Then I will tell them to slot and use Wings and look at how much those Sorcs can do. Complaining about Sorcs as a DK, who can mitigate 50% of their most important damage, is adventurous. And chains have a longer range than Streak and far lower a cost. I see many DKs use this to great effect to counter ranged classes on top of having 50% damage mitigation against half the skills in the game.

DK hard counters Sorc in every way, and Warden is right up there as well with Shimmering Shield being an even crazier version of wings (minus the 4 pieces of utility DK wings have) So once the Warden rework comes, Sorcs will have to compete with their 2 biggest hard counters, and there is nothing you can do unless the enemy DK or Warden somehow lags out and forgets to reapply their immortality button.

Where did you get that I was complaining? I'm just point out where sorc is stronger than a DK and that's in mobility. I love the sorc class. I've played many hours as a sorc in Cyro. I'm thrilled that it will be stronger with the class passives and even more thrilled for the coming class refresh. But sorc as a pure class is probably the least disadvantaged against a DK. That's why I see so many subclassed DKs who opt to run storm calling over earthen heart or draconic. Yes Wings is a good counter to a sorc's range damage but it's not practical to keep 100% uptime on that and expect to be offensive enough to beat a sorc. It's only 6 seconds so 100% uptime isn't sustainable unless the DK wants to just turtle defensively and stalemate. Offensively, the DK has to open up at some point. And if the sorc just wants to leave the fight or escape a group of pure DKs. There's no catching him. Chains might have a greater range than streak but a sorc can streak twice in a row. Suddenly out of range.

6 seconds is not difficult to upkeep. MagSorcs have been used to keeping up a 6 second timer (wards) for a decade. It is no problem to do so. And keeping up a skill that is as overloaded with effects as Wings, should be even easier. This is not a viable excuse to me. You can click this every 6-7 seconds and still have a large offensive window.

ZhuJiuyin

Dracane wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

if a Sorc doesn't want to fight a DK at melee range, there isn't much to be done about it.

Just wait, next patch all of the mediocre players will be whining and complaining about pure sorcs. DK meta was only ever going to be a thing for a few months.

Then I will tell them to slot and use Wings and look at how much those Sorcs can do. Complaining about Sorcs as a DK, who can mitigate 50% of their most important damage, is adventurous. And chains have a longer range than Streak and far lower a cost. I see many DKs use this to great effect to counter ranged classes on top of having 50% damage mitigation against half the skills in the game.

DK hard counters Sorc in every way, and Warden is right up there as well with Shimmering Shield being an even crazier version of wings (minus the 4 pieces of utility DK wings have) So once the Warden rework comes, Sorcs will have to compete with their 2 biggest hard counters, and there is nothing you can do unless the enemy DK or Warden somehow lags out and forgets to reapply their immortality button.

Where did you get that I was complaining? I'm just point out where sorc is stronger than a DK and that's in mobility. I love the sorc class. I've played many hours as a sorc in Cyro. I'm thrilled that it will be stronger with the class passives and even more thrilled for the coming class refresh. But sorc as a pure class is probably the least disadvantaged against a DK. That's why I see so many subclassed DKs who opt to run storm calling over earthen heart or draconic. Yes Wings is a good counter to a sorc's range damage but it's not practical to keep 100% uptime on that and expect to be offensive enough to beat a sorc. It's only 6 seconds so 100% uptime isn't sustainable unless the DK wants to just turtle defensively and stalemate. Offensively, the DK has to open up at some point. And if the sorc just wants to leave the fight or escape a group of pure DKs. There's no catching him. Chains might have a greater range than streak but a sorc can streak twice in a row. Suddenly out of range.

6 seconds is not difficult to upkeep. MagSorcs have been used to keeping up a 6 second timer (wards) for a decade. It is no problem to do so. And keeping up a skill that is as overloaded with effects as Wings, should be even easier. This is not a viable excuse to me. You can click this every 6-7 seconds and still have a large offensive window.

Just a heads-up, Sorc's shield often breaks before it even lasts 6 seconds. DK's Wings, on the other hand, can always last 6 seconds.
So..yes, DK's Wings for 6s is not difficult to upkeep, it's at least simpler than Sorc.

Dracane

ZhuJiuyin wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

s3dulo wrote: »

if a Sorc doesn't want to fight a DK at melee range, there isn't much to be done about it.

Just wait, next patch all of the mediocre players will be whining and complaining about pure sorcs. DK meta was only ever going to be a thing for a few months.

Then I will tell them to slot and use Wings and look at how much those Sorcs can do. Complaining about Sorcs as a DK, who can mitigate 50% of their most important damage, is adventurous. And chains have a longer range than Streak and far lower a cost. I see many DKs use this to great effect to counter ranged classes on top of having 50% damage mitigation against half the skills in the game.

DK hard counters Sorc in every way, and Warden is right up there as well with Shimmering Shield being an even crazier version of wings (minus the 4 pieces of utility DK wings have) So once the Warden rework comes, Sorcs will have to compete with their 2 biggest hard counters, and there is nothing you can do unless the enemy DK or Warden somehow lags out and forgets to reapply their immortality button.

Where did you get that I was complaining? I'm just point out where sorc is stronger than a DK and that's in mobility. I love the sorc class. I've played many hours as a sorc in Cyro. I'm thrilled that it will be stronger with the class passives and even more thrilled for the coming class refresh. But sorc as a pure class is probably the least disadvantaged against a DK. That's why I see so many subclassed DKs who opt to run storm calling over earthen heart or draconic. Yes Wings is a good counter to a sorc's range damage but it's not practical to keep 100% uptime on that and expect to be offensive enough to beat a sorc. It's only 6 seconds so 100% uptime isn't sustainable unless the DK wants to just turtle defensively and stalemate. Offensively, the DK has to open up at some point. And if the sorc just wants to leave the fight or escape a group of pure DKs. There's no catching him. Chains might have a greater range than streak but a sorc can streak twice in a row. Suddenly out of range.

6 seconds is not difficult to upkeep. MagSorcs have been used to keeping up a 6 second timer (wards) for a decade. It is no problem to do so. And keeping up a skill that is as overloaded with effects as Wings, should be even easier. This is not a viable excuse to me. You can click this every 6-7 seconds and still have a large offensive window.

Just a heads-up, Sorc's shield often breaks before it even lasts 6 seconds. DK's Wings, on the other hand, can always last 6 seconds.
So..yes, DK's Wings for 6s is not difficult to upkeep, it's at least simpler than Sorc.

Right, I neglected that. Depending on pressure and magicka size, they break somewhere within 1 or 2 seconds, or even before the animation is done when under pressure.

xylena

How is this even still up for debate? Instead let's have the "buff Pyrebrand" guy argue with the "739 Critical BGs Scoreboards" guy over whether Xylena should have god mode.