How would you most likely react if a Vengeance-style campaign replaces the current campaign(s)?

Tendrielle

Sometimes it sounds like ZOS has this in mind as a permanent option, so it's a serious question.

spartaxoxo

Other (Please specify)

It would depend on how many people even participated still after something like that. I can imagine it would cause a lot of people to quit. I like vengeance but it should be something that exists alongside Grey Host, not replaces it.

ETA
Replacing it would be messed up because it's been the main PvP mode for over 10 years. Messed up to wipe away that much player progress. As a mere alternative experience though, I think it's nice

BloodRedHurricane

Other (Please specify)

I'll react with "Vengeance". Jokes aside; it is bad to force one choice. Vengeance can stay as optional but; permanent replacement should be out of the question. I hope they don't do what they did with three-sided battlegrounds. It was a mistake to force players to be able to only play two-sided battlegrounds.

Cooperharley

Finally the permanent possibility of performant PvP! I embrace it, let's go!

I think fixing BGs, introducing vengeance as an option and simultaneously working on gray host is important.

Radiate77

Other (Please specify)

Vengeance is in no way, shape, or form, ready to replace Gray Host.

Now… given some major changes, I can see it working long term. If this replaced Gray Host anywhere near it’s current state, I expect Cyrodiil in it’s entirety to follow shortly after.

Cooperharley

Finally the permanent possibility of performant PvP! I embrace it, let's go!

Radiate77 wrote: »

Vengeance is in no way, shape, or form, ready to replace Gray Host.

Now… given some major changes, I can see it working long term. If this replaced Gray Host anywhere near it’s current state, I expect Cyrodiil in it’s entirety to follow shortly after.

I agree completely replacing Gray Host is not the move. I think having IC / BGs / Vengeance / Gray Host as options and working on all simultaneously is important along with meaningful communication and plans stated for each. I don't want to see Gray Host replaced ever for those that really enjoy crafting their builds, but I myself enjoy the jump in and play nature of Vengeance.

I can see Vengeance (as a PvE main) essentially being the equivalent of replacing vet dungeons and trials with a story mode version. Obviously that's not acceptable and Gray Host should be worked on simultaneously with the release of Vengeance, not one or the other.

robwolf666

Other (Please specify)

As I've said, it's dependant on what they decide to eventually run with where Vengeance in concerned. It's not until then that I can say one way or another whether or not I'd play it. All I know is that I won't play Gray Host.

fizzybeef

Other (Please specify)

quit

karthrag_inak

Other (Please specify)

2 team bgs suck. khajiit would stop pvping.

moderatelyfatman

Other (Please specify)

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think fixing BGs, introducing vengeance as an option and simultaneously working on gray host is important.

My concern is that the game seems to be able to only support one form of BG which is why we're stuck with the current piece of burnt toast.
Some part of me thinks that this is going to be true for Cyrodiil: ZOS are throwing extra server resources to keep GH and Vedgie up simultaneously and that when the crunch comes, we're going to lose GH.

( @Tendrielle I've already stopped playing the game after subclassing but I keep looking for reasons to come back. Vengeance is not one of them.)

imPDA

Other (Please specify)

LunaFlora

Other (Please specify)

i usually go to the Blackreach campaign as Grey Host is more popular,
fewer players is calmer.

and i mostly only go to Cyrodiil for the more PvE focused quests like
- Fighters Guild bounties
- Town quests
- conquer towns or resources, does not require PvP and can be done solo.

no idea if Vengeance would still let me easily do those quests, but as zos' scenario 1 includes both Vengeance and Grey Host i could probably just go there.

imPDA

Other (Please specify)

TLDR; New announced mode sounds interesting, but after a couple years hoping they finally started to do things, they did the opposite, so I have low hopes and low expectations on if it will actually be something good.

*Conspiracy theory: I have actually heard such a suggestion on how to make Cyrodiil better (make it smaller, more packed) from a streamer, multiple times, and now ZOS preparing "smaller version" with Cyrodiil keep defense with "same experience". It was told by streamer that making Cyrodiil smaller will speed up game flow, it will be more intense and more interesting, you could return into battle faster. If it will be really similar to current GH/RW/BR Cyrodiil, just smaller, rewritten from scratch (optimized and performant), it is a good move. Will they succeed it?

Cooperharley

Finally the permanent possibility of performant PvP! I embrace it, let's go!

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think fixing BGs, introducing vengeance as an option and simultaneously working on gray host is important.

My concern is that the game seems to be able to only support one form of BG which is why we're stuck with the current piece of burnt toast.
Some part of me thinks that this is going to be true for Cyrodiil: ZOS are throwing extra server resources to keep GH and Vedgie up simultaneously and that when the crunch comes, we're going to lose GH.

( @Tendrielle I've already stopped playing the game after subclassing but I keep looking for reasons to come back. Vengeance is not one of them.)

Yea my idea is more in a perfect world, which we do not live in. My worry is that they’ve just largely given up on gray host. As far as I know, vengeance seem to be the limit with which they can have cyrodiil functioning essentially and I don’t think anyone that was there initially dealing with the spaghetti code is still there so when something breaks and they fix it, their fix introduces 15 more bugs, so vengeance is a way to “start over” ish for them.

ToddIngram

ZOS has been telling us for a decade plus that they're working on various aspects of Cyrodiil. So that's what they should do.

If they can't make GH work properly, they can't make vengeance work properly either. The focus should be on fixing the game we already have not creating some dumbed down version of what we bought.

No vengeance for me. That's not the game I purchased.

Tendrielle

Other (Please specify)

Thanks for all feedback so far. I am actually worrying that they might offer us the new Mini-Cyrodiil-mode (or whatever it will be) plus vengeance only. I don't think I like vengeance enough to keep playing Cyro then. As an option, I can imagine vengeance, but only if it is somehow lorewise and boonwise connected with the rest of the game.

Vonnegut2506

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I will pop into it during Whitestrake and then ignore it the rest of the time, just like I do with the current version of Cyrodiil.

Destai

Finally the permanent possibility of performant PvP! I embrace it, let's go!

I rarely, rarely PVP, so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

That being said, having a Vengeance-only campaign nets two really big positives.

1. Performant & Accessible PVP. It's been an issue for almost/maybe a decade already. I'd rather enjoy the core mechanics of sieging and general performance than worry about builds - which are going to change anyways next time Mr. Wheeler says so.
2. Less PVP-driven changes on sets and skills. There's been so many changes to sets and skills to the detriment of PVE. I'm mainly a PVE'r, so that's upsetting. Speaking of salt, I'm still salty about the Arctic Blast changes that ruined my longstanding solo build.

Iriidius

Finally the permanent possibility of performant PvP! I embrace it, let's go!

LunaFlora wrote: »

i usually go to the Blackreach campaign as Grey Host is more popular,
fewer players is calmer.

and i mostly only go to Cyrodiil for the more PvE focused quests like
- Fighters Guild bounties
- Town quests
- conquer towns or resources, does not require PvP and can be done solo.

no idea if Vengeance would still let me easily do those quests, but as zos' scenario 1 includes both Vengeance and Grey Host i could probably just go there.

Vengeance Test 4 had quests available again so you can quest there.
It is also possible but more difficult than on life to take resourses and towns solo in Vengeance

Theignson

I'd play it as long as there were equal battles and equal populations. If it turned into a dominated PvDoor , like with EP taking the whole map every night at the end of the last test (BTW I'm on EP) I would have to quit.

I enjoy combat in both GH and VG, They are very different but for me both are fun.

edward_frigidhands

Well, there are battlegrounds. It's either the "real Cyro" with my char or nothing.

Tendrielle wrote: »

Sometimes it sounds like ZOS has this in mind as a permanent option, so it's a serious question.

I have already unsubbed and stopped spending money when I read their statement about "Scenario 2". I am going to play until the game has Gray Host and Blackreach.

Once they decide to implement Vengeance as the only option I know where they want to take things with PvP and I am uninstalling.

SneaK

Other (Please specify)

Where is “stop playing cause it’s not ESO anymore”

Stamicka

Other (Please specify)

I wouldn't really care and nothing would change for me. I'm not very interested in Cyrodiil as is because it's dead and horribly balanced. I'm not interested in Vengeance with the current state of healing in there. So I would continue to rarely log in.

I don't think there's much being lost if the current campaigns as they are right now get scrapped though. Grey Host is literally the only one that still gets population, and even then the population caps are low for the map size and it doesn't even always fill. There's just not much there worth saving.

FoJul

Other (Please specify)

IMHO:

I'd not change anything. I have the game uninstalled and it will remain that way. The game and its devs have killed my ambition to play for now. Vengeance wasn't the issue, but it just adds on to my long list of reasons why I moved on and gonna keep on moving. I still have hopes that my beloved ESO will return to its glory days, but for now, I got other plans.

DoofusMax

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I'm not a PvP'er. About the only time I engage with that side of the game is during events, like Whitestrake's, or if I need to farm AP or Transmutes. Because of that, the PvP side of the game isn't horribly important to me outside of the stuff where I feel like have to PvP to get it. Yes, I know I can get transmutes from Undaunted and the like, but 20K AP isn't that hard to farm.

Tendrielle

Other (Please specify)

SneaK wrote: »

Where is “stop playing cause it’s not ESO anymore”

Well, originally I thought the second option would cover that opinion, but I guess I should have separated the BG example from it. Many still read the second option as a too positive statement and prefer "Other" to express their disappointment.
Sry for being unclear but changing the poll now would be not good either I guess.

My hopes by reading this poll's result is that ZOS "listens", too, and we don't get new-Mini-Cyro + Vengeance only. Vengeance as an option is fine for me, as long we still have real campaigns, too. And I do hope the vengeance testing at some point actually leads to improvements of normal campaigns, too... Else I want a new engine^^

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Other (Please specify)

I’m fine with it either way. I wouldn’t do Battlegrounds regularly regardless.

SaffronCitrusflower

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ToddIngram wrote: »

ZOS has been telling us for a decade plus that they're working on various aspects of Cyrodiil. So that's what they should do.

If they can't make GH work properly, they can't make vengeance work properly either. The focus should be on fixing the game we already have not creating some dumbed down version of what we bought.

No vengeance for me. That's not the game I purchased.

^This

If ZOS mandates vengeance they will have taken away the game I log in to play. There will be no reason for me to play ESO if they take away the PvP they claim to have been working on for more than a decade. Plus, like you say, if they can't fix the bugs in GH they can't create a different mode that isn't also buggy.

And I won't play two team BG's. The fact that ZOS seems to have not noticed what a disaster two team BG's are is disheartening.

Divine1976

Other (Please specify)

Quit the game

Soarora

Other (Please specify)

It really doesn't affect me, I don't think vengeance will make me play PvP more, nor will not having vengeance. The only time that I've noticed PvP affecting PvE performance is during Midyear Mayhem, which isn't even unique to MYM... it's several events that do it. Fixing BGs would be what brings me into a PvP phase if anything.

JustLovely

Other (Please specify)

Uninstall will be my response to mandated vengeance. I won't play vengeance and the only reason I PvE is to support my efforts in the three banners war.