Love It Or Hate It - Oakensoul Is A Huge Boon To Our Game/Community (Guide Video As Well)

rhythmsuji

spartaxoxo wrote: »

rhythmsuji wrote: »

YEP! And there should be zero reason to attack you or any Oaken/HA user like some of the elitists do. Because enjoyment of the game is literally the most important aspect of gaming. If it's how you enjoy playing, then it aint wrong. No matter how much they demand their perspective is "objectively" right.

It's not just Oakensoul that gets this.
I've seen someone describe disliking subclassing as a matter of having integrity. I've seen people describe enjoying overland as akin to eating Play-Doh or doing stuff with crayons that I don't fully remember. I've seen statements that people who enjoy crown crate mounts are childish. I've seen people called bullies for killing a delve boss faster than someone else. I've seen someone calling for people to be banned for farming world bosses for leads.

Honestly, I've been guilty of that type of mindset before too in video games like ugh that stuffs for noobs if I get annoyed. It's not right but we all have our moments where we wish we had expressed ourselves in a better way. But, generally speaking, I try to remember that that people will find all sorts of different things fun. It's just a video game at the end of the day. There's no reason to judge anyone for how they like to play. And multiple different perspectives can be valid even if they should be expressed a different way.

Don't let negative comments weigh you down.

Great reminder and thanks for your input, all very true and I have seen the same.

Last'One

It’s not about loving or hating Oakensoul. Without any question, Oakensoul was, but isn’t anymore, very good mythic in this game. It was perfect for new players, casuals, or anyone who just wanted to chill and play this bug-ridden game.

But sadly, Oakensoul is useless now. And believe me… no one defended Oakensoul more than I did.

Well, Oakensoul fits perfectly with the current state of the game: a useless mythic in a useless, bugged game.

Why do you think Oakensoul is good if any build with a craft set + subclassing will be 100% better?
Subclassing is free, and crafted sets are too. Oakensoul isn’t even worth the Plus money anymore.

NOTE:

And all of this happened because veteran good players cried that Oakensoul was too easy (it’s still easy today).
Bad two-bar players cried because Oakensoul parsed higher with just one bar (those players still have bad weaving).

And who lost after all these nerfs? The game.
Now we have bad two-bar players with bad weaving, bad DPS from Oakensoul, and good two-bar weavers who don’t even care about the game anymore.

The game was the only one that lost with the changes… but well, at least we got some new bugs. So it’s all fine.

rhythmsuji

Last'One wrote: »

It’s not about loving or hating Oakensoul. Without any question, Oakensoul was, but isn’t anymore, very good mythic in this game. It was perfect for new players, casuals, or anyone who just wanted to chill and play this bug-ridden game.

But sadly, Oakensoul is useless now. And believe me… no one defended Oakensoul more than I did.

Well, Oakensoul fits perfectly with the current state of the game: a useless mythic in a useless, bugged game.

Why do you think Oakensoul is good if any build with a craft set + subclassing will be 100% better?
Subclassing is free, and crafted sets are too. Oakensoul isn’t even worth the Plus money anymore.

NOTE:

And all of this happened because veteran good players cried that Oakensoul was too easy (it’s still easy today).
Bad two-bar players cried because Oakensoul parsed higher with just one bar (those players still have bad weaving).

And who lost after all these nerfs? The game.
Now we have bad two-bar players with bad weaving, bad DPS from Oakensoul, and good two-bar weavers who don’t even care about the game anymore.

The game was the only one that lost with the changes… but well, at least we got some new bugs. So it’s all fine.

But it isn't worthless.

What build accomplishes what it does, with just as little management and button presses?

Oakensoul still seems to be the closest thing to an "easy mode" from what I can see. Most arguments when I look into them have multiple more buttons or things to keep track of, or less survivability. Like less multi purpose/all in one build capabilities for such little management.

Last'One

rhythmsuji wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

It’s not about loving or hating Oakensoul. Without any question, Oakensoul was, but isn’t anymore, very good mythic in this game. It was perfect for new players, casuals, or anyone who just wanted to chill and play this bug-ridden game.

But sadly, Oakensoul is useless now. And believe me… no one defended Oakensoul more than I did.

Well, Oakensoul fits perfectly with the current state of the game: a useless mythic in a useless, bugged game.

Why do you think Oakensoul is good if any build with a craft set + subclassing will be 100% better?
Subclassing is free, and crafted sets are too. Oakensoul isn’t even worth the Plus money anymore.

NOTE:

And all of this happened because veteran good players cried that Oakensoul was too easy (it’s still easy today).
Bad two-bar players cried because Oakensoul parsed higher with just one bar (those players still have bad weaving).

And who lost after all these nerfs? The game.
Now we have bad two-bar players with bad weaving, bad DPS from Oakensoul, and good two-bar weavers who don’t even care about the game anymore.

The game was the only one that lost with the changes… but well, at least we got some new bugs. So it’s all fine.

But it isn't worthless.

What build accomplishes what it does, with just as little management and button presses?

Oakensoul still seems to be the closest thing to an "easy mode" from what I can see. Most arguments when I look into them have multiple more buttons or things to keep track of, or less survivability. Like less multi purpose/all in one build capabilities for such little management.

Yes, you may be right. Today, Oakensoul really is the closest thing we have to an “easy mode.” And that’s exactly the point, it’s easy mode, nothing more. What else is Oakensoul actually good for?

I did all Trial HMs with Oakensoul myself (missing 2). Back then, nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, defended Oakensoul more than I did. But times have changed. Today, players with that useless Oakensoul item aren’t even allowed into basic vet trials in many groups. And honestly? I actually agree with most raid leads now. Oakensoul should stay out of group content. Let players use it for what it currently is: an "easy mode" tool for solo or casual play.

I truly, from the bottom of my heart, wish Oakensoul would get buffed again, because it would make the game better for everyone. But that’s not going to happen. ZOS doesn’t want that, veteran players don’t want that, and the "casual" players still think Oakensoul is great. Well… yes. Just stay away from vet content with that useless item and be happy in the "easy content."

robwolf666

I still haven't found all the parts to it and eventually fell into the "I'll stumble upon them one day..." phase and don't actively look anymore - in fact that's the case for most of these things.

frogthroat

Last'One wrote: »

Yes, you may be right. Today, Oakensoul really is the closest thing we have to an “easy mode.” And that’s exactly the point, it’s easy mode, nothing more. What else is Oakensoul actually good for?

Oakensoul is good for exactly what has been described in this thread. I think people are talking across each other here.

Those who are pro-Oakensoul (including me, although I don't really use it myself) are saying it is good for those with mobility issues, other kinds of issues where bar swapping or keeping up any buffs would be difficult, casual playstyles, role play, easy mode, being able to complete solo content, all normal content and even veteran dungeons without having to change your build -- while recognising it is not really usable in more advanced content.

While the anti-Oakensoul people are arguing against people who do not exist in this thread, people who say Oakensoul is good for all content, and is "god-mode" or something. Hyperioxes' video is good information and should be taken seriously by everyone who aims for more difficult end-game content. But the times of praising Oakensoul from here to the moon is well in the past. Content creators who make Oakensoul videos probably still have to tag their videos with "god mode" and "solo anything" to appease the algorithm gods, but I don't think even they believe it is competing with the current meta.

I think Oakensoul is now in a good place. It helps those who need this kind of playstyle. Those who want to go past the damage ceiling Oakensoul limits you to can and should consider other options.

Last'One

frogthroat wrote: »

Oakensoul is good for exactly what has been described in this thread. I think people are talking across each other here.

"... is good for those with mobility issues, other kinds of issues where bar swapping..."

"... Those who want to go past the damage ceiling Oakensoul limits you to can and should consider other options.

And what other options do they have?

Anyway… we both agree that Oakensoul is now "in a good place." Completely useless item, unless you play on Normal difficulty, the same difficulty you can clear totally naked with just one weapon.