Meta sets need a bit toning down

Wup_sa

Now that the chapter has been sold to those who will buy it. Perhaps it is finally time to nerf Monomyth reforged mythic as well as Null arca. Since Null arca is a trial set it should only work against monsters, because right now it hits harder than your average burst skill, while being only a proc set. Monomyth is just a mess as it is, there's simply no way to ever balance it if it offers major force.

Oblivion_Protocol

The funny thing is that with subclassing, the sets barely matter anymore. You could skip Null Arca and Monomyth completely, and still massacre people in PvP.

albertberku

This thread is silent because every build i see is using null arca in Cyrodiil. That says a lot about it. It is one of the main components of all those subclassing carry builds. You get about the same tooltip with Grim Focus and every 5 seconds? Has almost no indication that it will hit you when used at close range (which how everyone uses it). Come on now..

CameraBeardThePirate

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

The funny thing is that with subclassing, the sets barely matter anymore. You could skip Null Arca and Monomyth completely, and still massacre people in PvP.

While you definitely can, that doesn't excuse the power of Null Arca.

Do you need it to succeed? Not at all, but that doesn't mean it's okay that the set can hit for 10k+ on a very short cooldown with a laughably easy proc condition.

El_Borracho

Even better, lets nerf every set except Adept Rider. No power, procs, or damage for anyone. That will make everyone happy. Nerfs for all!

Jabbs_Giggity

Sets like Null Arca in PvP wouldn't be so much of a discussion if comparable sets haven't been nerfed into not being usable.
It's the same rinse and repeat strategy. Create broken proc set, nerf set from over performing with no counter or no alternative to compete with. Create new set with the same conditions and repeat....

I would much rather see sets again that focused on non procs, like a set that buffs direct damage or aoe damage. Or sets that buff execute multipliers. Etc..

Danse_Mayhem

Null Arca.
Wretched vitality.
Rallying cry.
Balorghs.
Monomyth.

If you’re going to nerf one, nerf all of these since almost every build is some combination of this.

Oblivion_Protocol

Everyone keeps calling for nerfs left and right. You see meta sets and decide they need “toning down”. But you all fail to realize something critical.

The second one thing gets nerfed, something else takes it’s place.

Maybe ZoS releases some new broken set. Maybe people rediscover an old set that suddenly becomes broken because of new circumstances. But no matter what, the meta will be the meta.

That’s why it’s better to ask ZoS to buff underperforming stuff rather than nerf overperforming or popular things. You’ll never have a balanced meta trying to play Nerf-a-Mole.

MincMincMinc

Problem with rallying cry is that you cant really nerf it. Zos had ballooned the number of crit damage sources in the game without creating matching crit resist sources. Which is why we are in this "tank" meta which relies on random burst combos. To live through the random crits we have to build exceptionally tankier and play defensively most of the time to compensate for randomly being blown out of the water. PvP will become unbearable with random crit being more of a factor instead of skill.

We calculated it all out in another thread, but the simple solution is to increase impen to a 10% mit buff instead of a 2% for now. Then you would slowly reduce impen back down to the 2% as more sources get added in the game.

For rallying cry I would probably replace the 2-4 piece lines with crit resist lines. Then remove the crit resist proc. The 5 piece should also be procced off of something like a single target heal.......Incentivizing and rewarding groups to spam aoe hot/buffs is a terrible way to reduce lag.

El_Borracho

Once upon a time, nerfing "meta sets" made an 11 year old forgotten set called "Way of Fire" the meta. Then that was nerfed, too.