Increase Powerful Assault Range

percept

12m is absurdly small. Group wide 28m like most other used set buffs would be nice and I can't see any reason to not have the range increased.

Last'One

Well, if you expand that to (+1) 29 meters, then sure, we can have the healer standing in West Weald, buff the player in Summerset, and another one in Murkmire.
You don't see any reason to avoid increasing range, but honestly, why would players ever be more than 12 meters away from tanks and healers?
I mean, why? You want to expand the range so you can buff someone attacking from Glenumbra while the rest of the group is in Deshaan?

tincanman

It's a unique buff and the short range is, arguably, the trade-off for that.

PVE Tanks and healers who use it mostly use Vigor, which has a similar range, so it works very well as they move to proc it. Obviously it helps if dd/dps are aware of its use so, for example, pugs with -er- movement/range disadvanged dd/dps may render its use ineffective.

But I have to admit it'd be convenient if it did have a 28m range, although it would have to called something like Super-Powerful Assault or Over-Powered Assault. Then, of course, zos would nerf it or just make it a named buff which would be the same. Or change it so you had to tap-dance 15x in a row on one leg while whistling 'Red Diamond' backwards in <5 seconds to proc it...

Best just to leave well enough alone: it ain't broke, etc.

alpha_synuclein

Last'One wrote: »

Well, if you expand that to (+1) 29 meters, then sure, we can have the healer standing in West Weald, buff the player in Summerset, and another one in Murkmire.
You don't see any reason to avoid increasing range, but honestly, why would players ever be more than 12 meters away from tanks and healers?
I mean, why? You want to expand the range so you can buff someone attacking from Glenumbra while the rest of the group is in Deshaan?

This. Short range of buffs is one of the few incentives for DDs to stack.

percept

Last'One wrote: »

Well, if you expand that to (+1) 29 meters, then sure, we can have the healer standing in West Weald, buff the player in Summerset, and another one in Murkmire.
You don't see any reason to avoid increasing range, but honestly, why would players ever be more than 12 meters away from tanks and healers?
I mean, why? You want to expand the range so you can buff someone attacking from Glenumbra while the rest of the group is in Deshaan?

It's wild how opposed you are to this suggestion

Have you done a trial? Think about how far people are in lucent citadel. Tanking dragons in sunspire. You do realize 12m is very short right? We're very clearly not playing the same game if everyone in your group is always within 12m of the PA support

Lucent echos is 28m, minor brutality is 28m, both of which provide more damage than PA and don't need to be casted multiple times. How about some consistency?

Last'One

percept wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

Well, if you expand that to (+1) 29 meters, then sure, we can have the healer standing in West Weald, buff the player in Summerset, and another one in Murkmire.
You don't see any reason to avoid increasing range, but honestly, why would players ever be more than 12 meters away from tanks and healers?
I mean, why? You want to expand the range so you can buff someone attacking from Glenumbra while the rest of the group is in Deshaan?

It's wild how opposed you are to this suggestion

Have you done a trial? Think about how far people are in lucent citadel. Tanking dragons in sunspire. You do realize 12m is very short right? We're very clearly not playing the same game if everyone in your group is always within 12m of the PA support

Lucent echos is 28m, minor brutality is 28m, both of which provide more damage than PA and don't need to be casted multiple times. How about some consistency?

I did vLC a few times, yeah. Like any other trial… And when I play as a healer, my golden rule is simple:
If you attack from Craglorn, inside vSE if you go freeze in Glenumbra, I’ll let you die easily and I won’t even care.

Players should stack in front of healers and near tanks. If a player doesn’t understand that, I won’t heal or buff them. I simply don’t care!

And yes, Power Assault is one of the few things that actually work in this game.

Best example I can give you? Imagine Bahsei in vRG. People should stack at Bahsei’s tail and then move to Abdomination’s “tail” (just imagine he has one). Everyone who runs all over the map, I don’t care. I stay in my position.

Me ——— (Should have DDs here) ———Boss——Tank
Kite ——
Need to proc Assault? No problem, go inside the group, cast Vigor twice (or another skill), then return to your position.

Everyone outside this position should be kicked.

Treeshka

I have been using this set as healer for the past three progress runs for the latest years.

I can easily say that if you increase the range, power creep will increase a bit more in certain fights, because average uptime of the set will go up. There are certain fights that you need to be stacked far away from main group for a moment, or group gets split into two in the same arena, meaning healer will be away from some other damage dealers.

While these things happens, you can not proc the set to the other people due to range. Sure you can proc it beforehand and the buff lasts 16 seconds but it is the tricky part.

Would i want the range increase? Maybe. If that happens, all i need to do is cast vigor two or three times and all group will probably have it. Since Powerful Assault buff is smart, meaning prioritizes targets with no buff applied.

Mattymoo92

percept wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

Well, if you expand that to (+1) 29 meters, then sure, we can have the healer standing in West Weald, buff the player in Summerset, and another one in Murkmire.
You don't see any reason to avoid increasing range, but honestly, why would players ever be more than 12 meters away from tanks and healers?
I mean, why? You want to expand the range so you can buff someone attacking from Glenumbra while the rest of the group is in Deshaan?

It's wild how opposed you are to this suggestion

Have you done a trial? Think about how far people are in lucent citadel. Tanking dragons in sunspire. You do realize 12m is very short right? We're very clearly not playing the same game if everyone in your group is always within 12m of the PA support

Lucent echos is 28m, minor brutality is 28m, both of which provide more damage than PA and don't need to be casted multiple times. How about some consistency?

12 metres isn’t even that small

Varana

And yes, it's difficult to proc from the tank in Sunspire.

That's why you put it on someone else in that trial.

Not every tactical decision has to be nullified for one-fits-all convenience.

Renato90085

vigor only 15m,there no need, alway have a group healer who is less than 12 meters away from the dds group and run it and other buff(cp heal circle)
also healer best ult (berrier )only 12m too,not any reason healer will away group
if healer need leave group,be a kite healer ,like rghm kite 2nd charge or mirror hm kite xoryn ,group may will give up this set
not opposed it ,i mean if zos buff PA to 100m,it main use way still healer stand less than 12 meters group and spam vigor