Can we do something about Mudcrab Chitin?

YandereGirlfriend

Djennku wrote: »

So, you have two options for obtaining chitin: go out and spend time farming the item(s), or pay for someone else's time and effort collecting them.

You really have no excuses to complain if you refuse to play the game (any game), and expect free stuff without doing anything to earn it. That is what we call entitlement.

You should not expect to be rewarded for doing nothing. Sure, it would be nice to get those mats as rare drops from alchemy bags, but you are still going to run into the same problem of not having enough.

The third option is if you don't want to farm or buy the mats, just don't do that writ.

Alot of this has already been discussed previously as most of you are aware, but I see this popping up in many, many threads where people want the rewards, but refuse to play the game to obtain them, then complain they don't have what they want, and demand they get everything handed to them on a silver spoon, and all I can say is, tough luck. It's a video game. If you don't want to play it, log off and go do something else.

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

Gabriel_H

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

The change was made because it was too rare to get grains to then make into plating. The consequence was a market crash on prices but that isn't why it was done.

Mudcrab Chitin is ubiquitous. I do not buy it nor farm it, and the only use I have for it is the daily writ quest. I have 400+ just from playing the game.

YandereGirlfriend

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

The change was made because it was too rare to get grains to then make into plating. The consequence was a market crash on prices but that isn't why it was done.

Mudcrab Chitin is ubiquitous. I do not buy it nor farm it, and the only use I have for it is the daily writ quest. I have 400+ just from playing the game.

They wouldn't have made the change if it wasn't for its stature as a major pain point in the player economy. The change in refining method was simply the lever they chose to pull to correct the price.

The same could easily be done for Chitin, Columbine, Rheum, etc. with a simple magic number change in the loot table.

Gabriel_H

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

They wouldn't have made the change if it wasn't for its stature as a major pain point in the player economy. The change in refining method was simply the lever they chose to pull to correct the price.

The didn't do it for the economy. The pain point was in golding jewellery.

YandereGirlfriend

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

They wouldn't have made the change if it wasn't for its stature as a major pain point in the player economy. The change in refining method was simply the lever they chose to pull to correct the price.

The didn't do it for the economy. The pain point was in golding jewellery.

Exactly, because to buy Chromium was crushingly expensive. Hence it being a pain point.

Gabriel_H

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

They wouldn't have made the change if it wasn't for its stature as a major pain point in the player economy. The change in refining method was simply the lever they chose to pull to correct the price.

The didn't do it for the economy. The pain point was in golding jewellery.

Exactly, because to buy Chromium was crushingly expensive. Hence it being a pain point.

In getting the mats. The economic impact is a secondary concern/issue.

BretonMage

I'd say columbine is much more of a pain point than mudcrab chitin, since it's much rarer, and we use A LOT of it.

For me, mudcrab chitin drops every 2 or 3 mudcrabs I kill, which makes farming for it almost trivial. It's just 5 minutes on a beach or river bank, and you'll have a handful of it. Or 2 minutes, if you just need 3 for the writ.

Al_Ex_Andre

This thread again

Zama666 wrote: »

I am terrible, but I love it when drop rates change or are low, the scarcity makes the game more interesting.
Shortages of Columbine....yeah, pay for it.

But kill all farming bots.

I will be hated, but I loved when Jewelry requires a lot more work. It made gold armor a lot more special.

We must grind in life sometimes.

If you must hate me, hate me kindly, please?

Tankz,

Z

This guy is probably right anyway. So yeah, shortage of mudcrabs, farm a bit, or too bad. It's not a design mistake or oversight methinks anyway, it's designed with reasons, and that way precisely.

I too prefered when jewelry required a lot of work, because with the other sellables, it neted me 40 millions gold a week at least just with alts and crafting quests (so, including gold jewelry selling).

There was an easy way to make gold in ESO, this was with crafting quests and alts. When you began the game, you collected gold that way, it was some effort, but it was worth it. At least there was a way to get rich, and it was not complicated. Now mats (that u could collect in nodes too to get rich) cost almost nothing , that's what happen when you give 4 mats of each in daily logins, successively, for example.

Also the request of the OP, is not to be @entitled, think before insulting random people, this guy..... It's to be coherent, but that's okay I think anyway, the guy I quoted is probably the more-alright-guy in the thread @ drop rates have not to be equal, and this makes a fun game.

DenverRalphy

I don't think players are unwilling to go out and farm it. Or farm anything for that matter.

And while sure, it doesn't take long to farm it.. it's just one more item in a long list of items to farm. If one were to count all the items that "only take a few minutes" to farm, it quickly tabulates into a significant number of minutes. So when resources like mudcrab chitin runs out, which is rarely used for much more than crafting dailies, it gets frustrating.

It's not the inability to farm the resources. It's the limited random happenstance of opportunities to gather it in any respectable quantities while out playing other aspects of the game. Compared to many/most of the other resources in the game anyway.

sjansenb16_ESO

Everytime i farm mudcrab chitin, Zerith-var tells me what a heroic fight i had with the... Mudcrab ;D

Mudcrab and Violet Coprinus is a pain in the ass to keep in stock if you do daily Alchemy Writs.

Orbital78

I'd like them to increase the good farm locations in newer DLC's. All the decent spots are usually overcrowded and in vanilla zones. As mentioned previously there seems to be issues with mudcrabs being considered other mobs which doesn't help.

Alik'r spot seems to not be very viable anymore with the decreased spawn rates in that area. At least the last time I checked. In DLC zones where the mob is called a mudcrab, it should drop chitin.

BretonMage

DenverRalphy wrote: »

It's not the inability to farm the resources. It's the limited random happenstance of opportunities to gather it in any respectable quantities while out playing other aspects of the game. Compared to many/most of the other resources in the game anyway.

Mudcrabs are definitely numerous near any body of water. If you were to make a point of farming them the way you farm other alchemy ingredients, that is, consciously, you'd build up the needed amount. They differ from other hide-dropping animals in that they don't aggro first, but that doesn't mean they're not easy to farm.

DenverRalphy

BretonMage wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

It's not the inability to farm the resources. It's the limited random happenstance of opportunities to gather it in any respectable quantities while out playing other aspects of the game. Compared to many/most of the other resources in the game anyway.

Mudcrabs are definitely numerous near any body of water. If you were to make a point of farming them the way you farm other alchemy ingredients, that is, consciously, you'd build up the needed amount. They differ from other hide-dropping animals in that they don't aggro first, but that doesn't mean they're not easy to farm.

That is correct. Hence the reason the portion you quoted began with the sentence "It's not the inability to farm the resources. "

BretonMage

DenverRalphy wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

It's not the inability to farm the resources. It's the limited random happenstance of opportunities to gather it in any respectable quantities while out playing other aspects of the game. Compared to many/most of the other resources in the game anyway.

Mudcrabs are definitely numerous near any body of water. If you were to make a point of farming them the way you farm other alchemy ingredients, that is, consciously, you'd build up the needed amount. They differ from other hide-dropping animals in that they don't aggro first, but that doesn't mean they're not easy to farm.

That is correct. Hence the reason the portion you quoted began with the sentence "It's not the inability to farm the resources. "

And my point was that if you treat it like any other alchemy ingredient, ie. something to be picked as you go from point a to b, it's quick and easy. I get a couple of chitins just accidentally aggroing mudcrabs in lightning form. So no, opportunities to gather it are not limited nor random.

Do crafters not farm alchemy ingredients? I know I do. How is mudcrab different from bugloss?

DenverRalphy

Yeah. You missed the point.

Mudcrabs are limited in that they don't exist in every zone, and since they're limited to only being found in coastlines, the opportunities born of random happenstance are limited compared to a majority of all other resources which you can stumble upon almost everywhere and every zone.

Yes. They're easy to farm. Every resource in the game is easy to farm. Nobody is claiming otherwise. But how often does anyone complain they always seem to run out of ore, or wood, or flowers, or solvents on a regular basis? (except perhaps columbine but that's a high demand commodity and a whole thread topic of it's own).

BretonMage

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Yes. They're easy to farm. Every resource in the game is easy to farm. Nobody is claiming otherwise. But how often does anyone complain they always seem to run out of ore, or wood, or flowers, or solvents on a regular basis? (except perhaps columbine but that's a high demand commodity and a whole thread topic of it's own).

So that was my point, I suspect people aren't used to treating mudcrabs as an alchemy resource to be farmed. I know I never used to, to me they were just innocent animals. But if you farmed them the way you farm other alchemy ingredients, you wouldn't run out.

You're right about the lack of chitin in some DLC zones though.

In any case, I'm not super invested in this topic, so I'm not going to continue debating this. I'm just really surprised at the request because it was never a problem for me. I did daily writs for a few years, and only needed to farm for them a couple of times.

daim

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

The change was made because it was too rare to get grains to then make into plating. The consequence was a market crash on prices but that isn't why it was done.

Mudcrab Chitin is ubiquitous. I do not buy it nor farm it, and the only use I have for it is the daily writ quest. I have 400+ just from playing the game.

Fun fact is also that chromium is now cheaper than crafting a chiting writ

Pretty much everything is so cheap they should start giving away trial gear too

YandereGirlfriend

daim wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

The change was made because it was too rare to get grains to then make into plating. The consequence was a market crash on prices but that isn't why it was done.

Mudcrab Chitin is ubiquitous. I do not buy it nor farm it, and the only use I have for it is the daily writ quest. I have 400+ just from playing the game.

Fun fact is also that chromium is now cheaper than crafting a chiting writ

Pretty much everything is so cheap they should start giving away trial gear too

Exactly. Which shows that ZOS can take proper action when the cost of a common material becomes outlandish (cough Columbine, Rheum, Dreugh Wax cough).

I welcome such economic interventions.

Orbital78

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

daim wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That's what people said about Chromium as well but then the sledgehammer was brought down on the entire market to forcibly drop prices.

No reason why that logic shouldn't also apply to other stupidly expensive mats like Dreugh Wax, Columbine, and Chitin.

The change was made because it was too rare to get grains to then make into plating. The consequence was a market crash on prices but that isn't why it was done.

Mudcrab Chitin is ubiquitous. I do not buy it nor farm it, and the only use I have for it is the daily writ quest. I have 400+ just from playing the game.

Fun fact is also that chromium is now cheaper than crafting a chiting writ

Pretty much everything is so cheap they should start giving away trial gear too

Exactly. Which shows that ZOS can take proper action when the cost of a common material becomes outlandish (cough Columbine, Rheum, Dreugh Wax cough).

I welcome such economic interventions.

Hear me out... What if they just removed the need for resources at all in the game.

BenevolentBowd

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

As in either increase its abysmal drop rate or remove it from the daily professional writs circuit because it’s literally a massive gold loss to do those dailies.

The precedent is there. Some time ago there was a similar situation with nirnroot and the alchemy writs were changed.

The quickest change ZOS could make to reduce the drain on our mat stockpiles is to reduce the number of items requested in the alchemy writs to 1 from the current 3.

A better solution would be to change items requested to those found in alchemy survey maps or the writ reward mat loot table. E.g. eliminate mushrooms, solvents/oils, spider eggs, and mudcrab chitin.

A pie in the sky solution would be Alchemy hirelings that would mail you chitin, spider eggs, and mushrooms.

As mentioned, you can change add on settings to abandon rare mats, but you would miss out the chance get more sealed alchemy writs which are fantastic sources of xp (powerleveling new alts, subclassing, etc.)

Speaking ofsealed writs, mudcrab chitin and violet coprinus are frequently required to complete sealed writs so removing them from regular writs would be great to increase the supply and decrease the demand.

Last point, I'll add is that you can get some of these rare mats from Shadowy Supplier toxin satchels.

Last time a checked...
3 Emetic Russula, 3 Fleshfly Larva, 3 Alkahest, 3 Nightshade (20.3%)
3 Namira’s Rot, 3 Blessed Thistle, 3 Alkahest, 3 Nirnroot (22.5%)
3 Luminous Russula, 3 Imp Stool, 3 Alkahest, 3 Spider Egg (23.4%)

Sordidfairytale

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

A pie in the sky solution would be Alchemy hirelings that would mail you chitin, spider eggs, and mushrooms.

I like that pie!

LootAllTheStuff

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

As in either increase its abysmal drop rate or remove it from the daily professional writs circuit because it’s literally a massive gold loss to do those dailies.

A pie in the sky solution would be Alchemy hirelings that would mail you chitin, spider eggs, and mushrooms.

Soooo..... special recipe unlock next Witches Festival?

katanagirl1

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I don't think players are unwilling to go out and farm it. Or farm anything for that matter.

And while sure, it doesn't take long to farm it.. it's just one more item in a long list of items to farm. If one were to count all the items that "only take a few minutes" to farm, it quickly tabulates into a significant number of minutes. So when resources like mudcrab chitin runs out, which is rarely used for much more than crafting dailies, it gets frustrating.

It's not the inability to farm the resources. It's the limited random happenstance of opportunities to gather it in any respectable quantities while out playing other aspects of the game. Compared to many/most of the other resources in the game anyway.

My complaint was that the daily writ required 3 mudcrab chitin as a secondary item for each turn in which rewards 700 gold. It isn’t even used in the potion, which would require only one if it was.

A master writ with mudcrab would at least you get you writ vouchers for it, which are worth more than 700 gold.

I don’t bother to farm the chitin anymore I just destroy the daily writ. I started destroying the ones with three violet coprinus as a secondary turn in a few weeks ago too because it slowly drains my crafting bag as well.

So you guys who farm chitin to sell and resist this change aren’t getting any gold from me.

Al_Ex_Andre

Yes violet coprinus is not worth it too. I made the mistake to do the violet coprinus for a few months when I was a rookie, and it's for a bunch of months now that I stay way from them, totally.

And y people want to make gold from chitin selling that's why there's so negative there^^, for example the guy who landed his response first, in my thread about chitin, a few months back...u know, I was going to destroy his business

lostineternity

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

Yes violet coprinus is not worth it too. I made the mistake to do the violet coprinus for a few months when I was a rookie, and it's for a bunch of months now that I stay way from them, totally.

And y people want to make gold from chitin selling that's why there's so negative there^^, for example the guy who landed his response first, in my thread about chitin, a few months back...u know, I was going to destroy his business

nice toxic response, If someone enjoys economic side of the game and put efforts into farming and earning money so they are bad people... amazing

yeah let's make game has no rare materials, items, anything in the game, let everything rare just be dropped from first rat you killed, whis would be amazing

Al_Ex_Andre

lostineternity wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

Yes violet coprinus is not worth it too. I made the mistake to do the violet coprinus for a few months when I was a rookie, and it's for a bunch of months now that I stay way from them, totally.

And y people want to make gold from chitin selling that's why there's so negative there^^, for example the guy who landed his response first, in my thread about chitin, a few months back...u know, I was going to destroy his business

nice toxic response, If someone enjoys economic side of the game they and put efforts into farming and earning money so they are bad people... amazing

yeah let's make game has no rare materials, items, anything in the game, let everything rare just be dropped from first rat you killed, whis would be amazing

Learn to read a thread, I already made my statement. These kind of replies you make are generally made by toxic users themselves, and it's confirmed by your post history.

daim

Mudcrabs aren't really the problem though, they are easy to get, although grindy. Violet Coprinus (and Nightshade) are the real pain.

And platinum to some extent as there's no jewelry hirelings - that's why they have kept the market price decently high.

YandereGirlfriend

lostineternity wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

Yes violet coprinus is not worth it too. I made the mistake to do the violet coprinus for a few months when I was a rookie, and it's for a bunch of months now that I stay way from them, totally.

And y people want to make gold from chitin selling that's why there's so negative there^^, for example the guy who landed his response first, in my thread about chitin, a few months back...u know, I was going to destroy his business

nice toxic response, If someone enjoys economic side of the game they and put efforts into farming and earning money so they are bad people... amazing

yeah let's make game has no rare materials, items, anything in the game, let everything rare just be dropped from first rat you killed, whis would be amazing

Hey now, I was a Chromium farmer and then ZOS nuked my entire industry from orbit.

I was willing to put in the grind for it when most other players were not but in the end ZOS went with the "greater good" approach. Some industrious farmers, like myself, paid the ultimate price so that everyone else could benefit. It is what it is. (Of course, I stopped farming anything after that intensely negative experience, heh).

So if it's good for the goose it's good for gander. I'm down to blow-up all of these rent-seeking niches with targeted economic interventions!

Ishtarknows

BretonMage wrote: »

But if you farmed them the way you farm other alchemy ingredients, you wouldn't run out.

The problem is I don't farm other alchemy materials because there's no need for me to.

My craft bag contains well over 10k of every ingredient from base game zones (the 3 ingredients for tripots sit at around 7k each). Daily writ rewards, surveys and occasional trips to the shady supplier keep my bags full.

Except that is, for mudcrab chitin and violet coprinus. I recently ran out of mudcrab, which I was shocked about tbf so I had to go farm it, and I have about 400 violet coprinus which I do pick up now when I see one.

My point is that all the other base game materials can be accumulated passively yet the ones we need for writs don't seem to be.

MreeBiPolar

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

As in either increase its abysmal drop rate or remove it from the daily professional writs circuit because it’s literally a massive gold loss to do those dailies.

The precedent is there. Some time ago there was a similar situation with nirnroot and the alchemy writs were changed.

I have to note that the situation was that they first got (mistakenly?) changed to require nirnroot EVERY time, and that was what got fixed.