5 pet/corpse limit for Necro is unplayable in IC -REMOVE IT NOW!

Dialectic93 · May 23

If I play just my regular skills. Blastbones, spirit, bone armor, skeletal mage. When I duel my own blastbones won't fire cause of the corpse limit, all my corpse consumer skills are dead abilities. And corpses disappear in a blink of an eye.

THIS IS UNPLAYABLE ZOS!
No point In discussing further!

Deimus · May 23

We've been discussing for weeks how the PvP pet limit completely cripples the corpse mechanic, multiple corpse consuming skills, and the class mastery, but ZOS has their phones set to do not disturb. They're busy putting Grim Focus on everything right now. They'll get back to us sometime between 3 months and whenever TES 6 drops.

P.S You double posted this. Not that it's bad in this case because ZOS should have acknowledged this by now so anything that could bring this to their attention is good, but for future reference try to avoid it.

Urzigurumash · May 24

What OP is saying is much, much worse. They're saying that you can't even cast basic Necro skills, nothing about corpse consumption at all.

Is that right OP? You are unable to cast Blastbones in combat if enough NPC corpses are around?

The class is already banned from dueling in town where everyone duels, doesn't score right in BGs cuz Blastbones and Guardian don't count for the score,

and now is totally useless in IC and on Flags in Cyro.

Deimus · May 24

Urzigurumash wrote: »

What OP is saying is much, much worse. They're saying that you can't even cast basic Necro skills, nothing about corpse consumption at all.

Is that right OP? You are unable to cast Blastbones in combat if enough NPC corpses are around?

The class is already banned from dueling in town where everyone duels, doesn't score right in BGs cuz Blastbones and Guardian don't count for the score,

and now is totally useless in IC and on Flags in Cyro.

If that's the case then they made the bug they attempted to fix even worse. I've only run into in PvE mainly in IA if you have the Lich Avatar form. The minions from the graveyard ability would stop you from being able to cast Blastbones.

If that's what OP is saying then they might have made it where corpses created from npcs you kill count as your pets also. If they could give more information this might be a whole new can of worms. I haven't encountered this in overland duels, but didn't spend time in IC on the PTS.

Urzigurumash · May 24

Deimus wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

What OP is saying is much, much worse. They're saying that you can't even cast basic Necro skills, nothing about corpse consumption at all.

Is that right OP? You are unable to cast Blastbones in combat if enough NPC corpses are around?

The class is already banned from dueling in town where everyone duels, doesn't score right in BGs cuz Blastbones and Guardian don't count for the score,

and now is totally useless in IC and on Flags in Cyro.

If that's the case then they made the bug they attempted to fix even worse. I've only run into in PvE mainly in IA if you have the Lich Avatar form. The minions from the graveyard ability would stop you from being able to cast Blastbones.

If that's what OP is saying then they might have made it where corpses created from npcs you kill count as your pets also. If they could give more information this might be a whole new can of worms. I haven't encountered this in overland duels, but didn't spend time in IC on the PTS.

Oh maybe I just inferred that cuz OP said in IC. That's the only thing that makes IC different afaik, a bunch of NPCs around. The notes dont say that but they do imply Dueling has the 10 corpse limit rather than 5:

While in a PvE zone, the limitation of 10 pets will remain as is.

While in a PvP zone, the limitation will now be 5.

necro_the_crafter · May 25

thats true, after running in IC for some time, killing bunch of mobs, bligthbones does skip every other cast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaiU57TPeM

its super easy to recreate, the fact that this bug makes it to live is insane.

before any limitations its was fine, currently on live my bb never failed to spawn, it might failed to connect, but its always spawned at least.

Urzigurumash · May 25

Can you highlight the time stamps where your cast fails? Can you recreate this on a flag in Cyro?

CameraBeardThePirate · May 25

@ZOS_Kevin Video proof of the issue I've been pinging you about all month. The dev team has made no indication that this will be fixed by the time the patch hits.

Deimus · May 25

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

thats true, after running in IC for some time, killing bunch of mobs, bligthbones does skip every other cast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaiU57TPeM

its super easy to recreate, the fact that this bug makes it to live is insane.

before any limitations its was fine, currently on live my bb never failed to spawn, it might failed to connect, but its always spawned at least.

That's the exact issue I was talking about in my previous post with IA. My character would do the animation, but it would never summon Blastbones. The bug already exists on live, just in a way that's hard to trigger in PvE and near impossible for PvP.

For those trying to see the issue you can see it at the 10 second mark, twice at 0:45, and around the 1:30 mark.

necro_the_crafter · May 25

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Can you highlight the time stamps where your cast fails? Can you recreate this on a flag in Cyro?

0:11 0:46 0:49 1:32

gonna try it on flags

also slotted archer for the test, with a blastbones as a single summon its seems like its fine, mybe more thourough testing required
the state we are in... optimising a build to avoid gamebreaking bugs.

Alaztor91 · May 25

It seems that something isn't working correctly here. The wording used here makes me assume that BB should have a higher priority than a Corpse and ''override'' it when attempting to cast at the Corpse/Pet limit.

Another Necro bug to add to the pile I guess, but this is quite a serious one. Imagine not being able to cast your best dmg skill because ZOS implemented a ''performance'' change that directly interacts with your Class mechanic and it doesn't even work correctly.

IncultaWolf · May 26

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

thats true, after running in IC for some time, killing bunch of mobs, bligthbones does skip every other cast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaiU57TPeM

its super easy to recreate, the fact that this bug makes it to live is insane.

before any limitations its was fine, currently on live my bb never failed to spawn, it might failed to connect, but its always spawned at least.

Wow, this is worse than I thought. Thanks for the video, blastbones failing to cast twice in a row is really concerning

@ZOS_Kevin

AvidNecro · May 27

Completely unacceptable. I will be making a YT video about this and using this thread as reference.

sans-culottes · May 27

This is a massive mechanical failure. Blastbones—central to the Necromancer class—is unable to fire under predictable conditions in PvP zones due to the imposed 5 pet and corpse limit. The skill simply fails to activate. This breaks core functionality, not just for one build, but for the class itself.

The issue has been documented repeatedly, with video evidence, and it is still present as launch approaches.

@ZOS_Kevin, Necromancer issues like this have gone consistently ignored. At what point does a core class mechanic failing to function become worth addressing?

MSattrtand · May 27

I'm pretty sure that BB failing to spawn is not just a PvP problem - I've done some parsing with BB, and it still fails to appear at least once per parse. And I've also seen 2 failed BB casts in a row. Like on live. So the problem with BB wasn't fixed at all, I guess, and was only made worse in PvP.

Rkindaleft · May 28

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but it's still genuinely bewildering to me that bugs and feedback like this can go on for this long without a 20 second response of "thanks for letting us know X is currently bugged." PTS Necromancer is, quite literally, unable to be used in PvP and since there hasn't been a single thing from anyone to let us know they're even aware of the problem, much less some sort of timeframe for a fix (or if it will go live as it currently is on PTS).

How many hundreds (if not thousands) of reports were made in the past year saying GLS was a failure of a rework? We didn't hear a word from anyone even though it was explicitly stated they would be keeping an eye on the skill.

I'm not even talking about this issue on PTS. How is it that bugs that have been in the game for years that have had hundreds or thousands of reports both in game and on the forums can still go unrecognised for that long?

dinokstrunz · May 28

Yikes. That's tragic if this goes live on June 2nd. I will not bother playing.

CameraBeardThePirate · May 28

@ZOS_Kevin I get that you can't reply to every issue, but this is a game breaking bug that people have been requesting acknowledgement for all month.

Instead of communicating, the team has seemingly chugged right along, meaning that Necros are going to have to live with a large chunk of their kit being broken next patch, including their bread and butter skill.

Quite honestly, it's inexcusable that the team hasn't posted any communication about this issue at all this month. For a team that constantly claims they want to communicate better, acknowledging big game-breaking bugs like this publicly in the very forums you ask for feedback on should be a slam dunk.

YandereGirlfriend · May 28

Imagine this happening to Nightblades. "Sorry bros, you can't Cloak or use Shade." It's inconceivable.

Vaqual · May 28

It would be tragic if it goes live like this, but if this is the pebble that gets a class rework rolling I would actually not even mind. The corpse mechanic is just about the most tedious micromanagement game that has ever been sold as a class mechanic. Just having a few high impact corpse using abilities would anyway be much more satisfying than having half the kit being reliant on proper corpse positioning. And if they have identified the corpses as a major performance sink, all the more reason to really think about where this class should be going.
I would not mind seeing more pets like skeletal mage, but possibly avoiding corpse-reusage on them entirely, e.g. by saying "recasting this ability before the summon expires reduces resource cost by xyz % and bumping the base uptime to give a bit of wiggle room for smooth rotations.
It should be a nice boost for necros to use environmental corpses, rather than an afterthought due to the inherently high corpse generation and throughput.

cuddles_with_wroble · May 28

Necro is unplayably dead of this goes live

IncultaWolf · May 29

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Imagine this happening to Nightblades. "Sorry bros, you can't Cloak or use Shade." It's inconceivable.

Gilliam would not allow that to happen

React · May 29

@ZOS_Kevin

Could we get a comment on this issue? It is actually unbelievable this has been present for weeks without being addressed, with the patch set to go live in just four days.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · May 29

At this point should just remove the corpse generation entirely, instead have it so the necromancer skills gain strength based on the amount of dead bodies around you.

Defatank · May 29

necro_the_crafter wrote: »

thats true, after running in IC for some time, killing bunch of mobs, bligthbones does skip every other cast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaiU57TPeM

its super easy to recreate, the fact that this bug makes it to live is insane.

before any limitations its was fine, currently on live my bb never failed to spawn, it might failed to connect, but its always spawned at least.

I played the video back at .25 speed. It looks like your rotation is 5 > LA > 4 > LA > 3 > LA > 1 > LA > 4 > LA > 3 > LA > 5 (repeat). At the 10 sec mark 100% BB did not go off, a couple of things I noticed going from the 7 to 12 mark.

1. BB was still out pending explosion at 7s on the add to your right. Like quite literally at the very moment your rotation was ready to cast BB the BB that was up exploded on the add to your right.

2. Right as soon as you cast BB at about 9s the animation for it began but your character also at the exact same time done a LA.

So not sure if the LA and BB cast being done at the same time? or BB being up pending explosion prevented it from going off again?

CameraBeardThePirate · May 29

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Volpe @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

A class is about to hit live in an unplayable state. Thats not hyperbole; Necro's main bread and butter ability is failing to cast due to the backend changes that were made to the corpse system.

What has the dev team communicated about this issue? Nothing. We're not even sure, as players, if this issue is known by the devs. That's absurd. Communicate with us. Use the Public Test Server to fix these issues that were communicated to you early on before they hit live.

Genfe · May 31

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Volpe @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

A class is about to hit live in an unplayable state. Thats not hyperbole; Necro's main bread and butter ability is failing to cast due to the backend changes that were made to the corpse system.

What has the dev team communicated about this issue? Nothing. We're not even sure, as players, if this issue is known by the devs. That's absurd. Communicate with us. Use the Public Test Server to fix these issues that were communicated to you early on before they hit live.

6 months to complain
6 months to acknowledge
6 months to test
Then change the ability completely rendering it useless

Genfe · May 31

But have you met the character wormblood?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/677868/official-discussion-thread-for-meet-the-character-wormblood#latest

sans-culottes · June 1

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Volpe @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

A class is about to hit live in an unplayable state. Thats not hyperbole; Necro's main bread and butter ability is failing to cast due to the backend changes that were made to the corpse system.

What has the dev team communicated about this issue? Nothing. We're not even sure, as players, if this issue is known by the devs. That's absurd. Communicate with us. Use the Public Test Server to fix these issues that were communicated to you early on before they hit live.

@ZOS_Kevin, this is exactly the kind of communication breakdown that fuels player frustration.

The Necromancer class is entering the live environment in what multiple veteran players have called an unplayable state. This is not dramatic exaggeration. It is a direct result of Blastbones, the class’s core mechanic, failing to cast under the new corpse system.

The new five-corpse cap, paired with a five-second decay timer, creates situations in real-time combat where Blastbones does not activate at all. This is not a balance concern. It is a functional failure of a class-defining skill.

Players flagged this early in the PTS cycle. Yet there has been no clear communication about whether the issue is acknowledged, under review, or being addressed.

Necromancer is not some abandoned relic. It is a premium class attached to a paid expansion and widely promoted in official materials. It deserves, at minimum, a basic level of transparent developer response when its identity and functionality are compromised.

This is not a subclassing argument. It is a quality assurance and communication issue. If the problem is being worked on, the say so. If it is not, then explain why.

randconfig · June 3

I aM aBsOlUtElY sHoCkEd, WhO cOuLd'Ve SeEn ThIs CoMiNg!?

necro_the_crafter · June 3

randconfig wrote: »

I aM aBsOlUtElY sHoCkEd, WhO cOuLd'Ve SeEn ThIs CoMiNg!?

No one seen it coming because it failed to spawn due to new corpse limitations.