RIP ESOU

Estin · January 1

I feel that Nefas can be too abrasive at times, but it's still worrying to see yet another resource leaving the scene

baltic1284 · January 1

gronoxvx wrote: »

Whole lot of people in here seem to still be annoyed by his toxic casuals video huh? Lol.

Love or hate the guy or his content, people should watch the whole thing for context (which he provides for the no streaming moment). [Snip]

Thing is though he is just as guilty of attacking parts of the community and, being toxic as others are, does this mean ZOS is purely innocent no, but nor is he, was he treated by his account poorly and badly yes, again from his point of view, we don't have ZOS providing proof of evidence on the matter countering from there point view also.
For me I see just a simple streamer for ESO that lashed out and attacked parts of the community get told that that isn't correct or right, later on with his last I am quitting ESO video he did on being attacked and bullied by the community and such when he also did and try and play innocent then also. From my view on this both sides are guilty of actions taken due to their own actions and responses.
I was also at the event thanks to a good friend of mine and they did ask everyone to not record stuff in certain areas and times and would kindly ask that people put them away and turn them off, from what I see in the video Nefas didn't do that while everyone else did so again he wasn't purely innocent in that exchange either, could that exchange been handled differently yes, absolutely it could have been and the what can be and cant be done and recoded more clearly presented also.

[Edited quote]

baltic1284 · January 1

Koshka wrote: »

You know people aren't just doomposting because they feel like it, right? Players are legitimately concerned about the direction the game is heading and are being vocal about it.

Yeah, I think most of us criticize the game because we just want it to be better. To have a healthier playerbase, better performance etc.

Yeah, but there is also a lot of pain and blame on both sides on that subject that causes issues and problems now, unfortunately only way to resolve theme is to have an open and honest conversation on it where both sides site down and realize what was done and the reaction to it. Until that happens it is just going to constantly repeat itself over and over again.

MincMincMinc · January 1

The real concerning part is how zos has been designing the game in such a way where they require content creators to make tutorials and out of game guides on how to play. More and more of these resources leaving can be troublesome for new/mid tier player retention.

karthrag_inak · January 1

Grega wrote: »

I’m not a medical professional but I’m pretty sure shingles are caused by dormant small pox virus and not everything that was happening in relation to eso.

It's caused by chicken pox (varicella-zoster). Not small pox (variola virus), which has been eradicated in the world since 1977.
And shingles can most certainly can be induced by stress for someone who still has the virus in their body, dormant.

gronoxvx wrote: »

Love or hate the guy or his content, people should watch the whole thing for context (which he provides for the no streaming moment).

The company provides the game. Streamers provide....What? Advice? Distraction? Opinions? Laughs?

When it comes down to a question between the company that has provided the game that has given khajiit a home away from home for 20k+ hours of entertainment vs. some random nub on the internet who actually makes money from 'providing content' about said game, there's the same winner every time, and that's going to be the company.

There's a guy who's all over various social media platforms who catches lobsters, cuts off the barnacles that hinder their growth/molting, gives them a fish and tosses them back into the ocean. This all reminds khajiit of the situation being discussed in this thread.

ESO -> lobster
Folks who play, "contribute content" and then complain or otherwise attempt to disrupt the community, for whatever reason, no matter what they've 'contributed' -> barnacles.

All we need is the fishies and we'd be set.

(edited to remove questionable stuff)

TheImperfect · January 1

Whatever happened and I watched his video (but things are complicated without a full overview) I will miss his content. I have no doubt this time he doesn't intend on coming back to ESO or he wouldn't have made that video. It's a shame about all his help to other players and content. I only really watched his twitch stream sometimes but it was always a good watch.

Finedaible · January 1

I'm more concerned about the ethics going on within Zenimax studios than Nefas leaving, especially since Deltia and a few others decided they had enough with the company recently.

blktauna · January 1

Finedaible wrote: »

I'm more concerned about the ethics going on within Zenimax studios than Nefas leaving, especially since Deltia and a few others decided they had enough with the company recently.

Deltia leaving is the most worrying to me.

Oceanchanter · January 1

SilverBride wrote: »

I've played a long time and I've never been to that website.

Same.

The only thing I could gather is that "I'm leaving because there's beef between me and the studio that pays me to promote the game + it involves some other content creators." and "the devs didn't listen to us"

I know it sounds disrespectful of me to say that, especially since it's the first time I've heard about him...
...but it's not the first game content creator I've seen that quit telling similar stories.

Good luck to him. I hope he lives longer than he anticipates. That was the only thing that made me genuienly sad.
He's a young man, and he already knows he won't see to his twilight years.

As for builds, I might look up something, but I mostly pick fashion first, functionality later.
That worked for me for years, no point in changing it.

alternatelder · January 1

blktauna wrote: »

Finedaible wrote: »

I'm more concerned about the ethics going on within Zenimax studios than Nefas leaving, especially since Deltia and a few others decided they had enough with the company recently.

Deltia leaving is the most worrying to me.

Why? He left before, held a funeral service (quite comical) and everything because of a Templar change. The game did fine for years after he left.

KiltMaster · January 2

y'all quoting me cracks me up - this will be a seriously huge loss and it's quite damning for some folks mentioned

sarahthes · January 2

KiltMaster wrote: »

y'all quoting me cracks me up - this will be a seriously huge loss and it's quite damning for some folks mentioned

I would agree with you more if he hadn't started quitting 2 years ago. He hasn't put out any meaningful content since last year, at a minimum.

You're mourning a loss that occurred with Update 35.

KiltMaster · January 2

sarahthes wrote: »

KiltMaster wrote: »

y'all quoting me cracks me up - this will be a seriously huge loss and it's quite damning for some folks mentioned

I would agree with you more if he hadn't started quitting 2 years ago. He hasn't put out any meaningful content since last year, at a minimum.

You're mourning a loss that occurred with Update 35.

it's not just him it's all the projects and folks who will follow

Servadei · January 2

doesurmindglow wrote: »

It's a huge loss, frankly, as he's been an inspiration to many of us. Whether or not the forum audience sees it isn't too important -- this is increasingly an uncritical and vaguely useless echo chamber at this point.

But for those of us who engage with the game on more platforms where we're free to speak our minds and think critically about it, I'm sure his voice will be missed, as I know from experience that he's pretty well respected, especially in the endgame PVE space.

Yeah, I couldn't say what I really wanted to say here about this because we all know what happens. A moderator even popped in here just to remind us all that ZOS is watching us so we better behave, despite no one getting out of line.

Anyway, the irony about those dismissing this as no big deal is that none of them have done even a fraction of what Nefas has done for the community as a whole or have promoted ESO as much. Most here are solo players who stick to themselves or are turtled into little closed off groups doing their own thing, so they're oblivious to what happens outside their personal spheres. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but to be so vocal against someone who spearheaded many community events and promoted ESO is just another, imo, sign of what ESO has become.

Warhawke_80 · January 2

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

dk_dunkirk · January 2

freespirit wrote: »

I've heard of Nefas but never heard of ESOU tbh.

I have over 20k hours in ESO and I've never felt the need to go to somebody other than myself to learn how to play!

Life changes, people move on, I wish him good luck with his next adventure, will it negatively affect me....... very unlikely!!

The game has been active for 10 years. If you have over 20K hours in the game, that's an average of 2,000 hours per year, or roughly 40 hours a week. That's a full-time job. For 10 years. If you really have that much time in the game, you certainly understand just how many hundreds -- if not thousands -- of details you have to keep in mind to synthesize a good build: race, class, skills, abilities, morphs, weapons, sets, traits, enchants, potions, foods and drinks, mundus boons, and I'm probably forgetting something. I mean, good for you, but surely you have to realize how few people have the ability to put that kind of time into a game, right? You see how most people jump at the chance to short-circuit this kind of investment of time and learning, copy a build that's proven to work, and tweak it from there, right? Or watch a video that explains how to do something, instead of just bumbling around for hours of trial and error, right?

Lags · January 2

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

FangOfTheTwoMoons · January 2

The comments in this thread are honestly just disappointing. The mindset of a lot of the people commenting are the reason this game is in the state it is in currently in. People would rather let the game stagnate and the quality diminish than hold ZOS accountable for anything (when I say ZOS I do not mean the devs who put time into the game to actually make content but the people calling the shots at ZOS).

The video is about so much more then just ESOU shutting down. It's very eye opening and leaves a lot to the imagination as to what else is going on behind the scenes that we do not know about. If they treat someone who doesn't even work for them this way imagine how the devs get treated.

I was never a big fan of Nefas, but that doesn't mean I think he deserved any wrongdoing or disrespect. The fact is; he was a valuable source of information (weather you chose to engage with it or not) and he actively tried to create a space for the players of this game to come together to elevate their experience.

Content creators (not just Nefas) leaving a game they dedicated so much time and effort into is very telling. Its a testament to the state of the game as a whole.

Warhawke_80 · January 2

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

Mathius_Mordred · January 2

I've only occasionally watched his videos, most of the ones I've seen seem to involve a lot of criicism of everything, the guy seemed pretty negative on the whole. So I watched his entire "I'm quitting" video and to be honest he sounded like a spoilt child. Maybe because I'm old enough to be his grandad (just) but if this is the level of humiliation that gives him shingles then perhaps he should wrap himself in cotton wool and stay in bed. The interaction at the con was hardly humiliating, he was simply asked to stop streaming and he seemed surprised even though they had been told that not all parts of the event could be streamed, they just said they won't start until the cameras are off. This is so minor [Snip].

Look, if you've lost interest in the game or don't agree with the direction its taking then by all means stop playing, if you pay for and run lots of websites that will no longer be relevant to you then by all means cancel them. I did the exact same thing when I lost faith in Cryptic Studios having spent tens of thousands on Star Trek Online including 30K hours in game, websites, streaming, youtube etc. I didn't make a cry for me video, I simply put a blog on the website explaining why I was cutting everything back to bare bones and moving to ESO full time. This way I didn't burn any bridges and if that game somehow miraculously makes a comeback I will be ready to restart. If this guy now has yet another change of heart he's going to look pretty silly.

I find the whole thing pretty silly and the actions of someone screaming for attention. But anyway, that's just my 2 cents, I love this game, I enjoy it, i spend a lot of money on it, but if i ever get fed up I'll try something different, just never burn bridges in life, it will come back to haunt you.

[Edited for baiting]

sarahthes · January 2

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

Asdara · January 2

Deltia, Skinnycheeks and now Nefas?
i mean, at what point are we going to realize that we're on a sinking ship?

Ruthless · January 2

What people seem to be missing is that "ALL THESE CONTENT CREATORS" were all made by doing content of ESO.

Its not like ESO ever brought other Content Creators to talk about ESO, there is a Need to talk about the game so hence they are created from within.

There is no better time then to start doing content for ESO then, since if other content creators are leaving you get a chance to get the views, because of supply and demand.

All of the content creators create content out of ESO it gave them a chance to get started with a huge audience.

Its common knowledge the worst advice you can give someone is to put all your eggs in the same basket, you must diversify.

So here is the Youtuber BluePrint:
1. Have an Audience
2. Do Content

If you dont have an audience you must grown one out of doing one in a NICHE sector and grow, and leave when you have an audience.

Everyone loves freedom being tied down to one thing sucks.They are just doing the most logical thing, Amongold does not need to talk about WOW anymore, they are just following that fomula.

I wish them all the best

dinokstrunz · January 2

I watched the video and it really showcases the immaturity and the lack of professionalism in the some of the people behind this game & sometimes around the content creators of this game. Every year we always go on about communication and the lack thereof but it never improves ever. As a player who's has been here since 2014 it's really frustrating to watch these antics go on & on. The same old PR slop needs to be dropped and its time to open up the floor for proper discussions again with the community & developers.

Some people in this thread are oblivious that this game is withering away slowly but surely, going slow to its demise with a wimper. 2024 has been rotten for this game when it was supposed to be a celebration year. 2025 is critical now ESO heads in the right direction.

blktauna · January 2

alternatelder wrote: »

blktauna wrote: »

Finedaible wrote: »

I'm more concerned about the ethics going on within Zenimax studios than Nefas leaving, especially since Deltia and a few others decided they had enough with the company recently.

Deltia leaving is the most worrying to me.

Why? He left before, held a funeral service (quite comical) and everything because of a Templar change. The game did fine for years after he left.

There are very few folks now to help with new players and he was great for motivation and explanations. He also was a big booster of the game.
This time he just seemed to nope out vs. saying goodbye. Doesn't speak well of whats going on behind the scenes.

Warhawke_80 · January 2

dinokstrunz wrote: »

I watched the video and it really showcases the immaturity and the lack of professionalism in the some of the people behind this game & around the player generated online content. Every year we always go on about communication and the lack thereof but it never improves ever. As a player who's has been here since 2014 it's really frustrating to watch these antics go on & on. The same old PR slop needs to be dropped and its time to open up the floor for proper discussions again with the community & developers.

Some people in this thread are oblivious that this game is withering away slowly but surely, going slow to its demise with a wimper. 2024 has been rotten for this game when it was supposed to be a celebration year. 2025 is critical now ESO heads in the right direction.

I will log in until I can't then go play something else....nothing last forever

Soarora · January 2

Asdara wrote: »

Deltia, Skinnycheeks and now Nefas?
i mean, at what point are we going to realize that we're on a sinking ship?

People have realized, its just sinking so slowly other people stopped listening. ZOS has disappointed every community (even fishing!), some more than others. Time will tell if the new direction change furthers the disappointment or not, because it sure does have the capability to. Ever since AWA + U35 I’m just waiting for the third massively bad move that sets us all back again. Maybe there will be 4 and we can call them the 4 decisions of the apocalypse haha.

Warhawke_80 · January 2

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

Bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

Valion · January 2

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't watched it, [...]

...and it shows.

I really think you should watch that video for yourself, since breaking it down to just this specific situation will give a wrong impression.
It is a rather personal explanation of why Nefas left.
Although I am aware of the one-sidedness of his "rant", it sadly is in part understandable, and it hints to occurences that were being discussed on these forums as well.
There are problems in how the community and the communication of and about this game are handled that must be adressed.
And even without taking a side, this video is in itself a proof of the sad situation.

sarahthes · January 2

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

wilykcat wrote: »

What's ESOU?

What indeed...

Most people could give two figs about raiding in ESO, so naturally a channel like that wouldn't get much engagement in the first place...

I'm pretty sure things like DLC dungeons and Trials are going to be opened up to the average player soon anyway...I mean, why leave all that content deserted for a demographic that will never show up?

big true. they should honestly just put easy modes on everything. Make it like overland mobs, where you can kill everything naked. Casual players really dont have access to enough content in this game, and its really a darn shame.

Sarcasm aside...facts are facts and the facts are less than 1% of the population raids less than 4% participates in PVP....if you spend a ridiculous amount of money for content no one participates in... what then?

Oh I Know!!!!!
You make content for the audience you have.

That's interesting, given there are 5000 unique accounts that have posted trials clears to the ESO Clears bot. That means that PC has at least 500,000 players that have logged in since this summer (when the bot went live), mostly on NA (as the bot originated in NA servers - I don't know how much it is used in EU).

So?

Anyone with any actual knowledge understands that bots really aren't a great way to gather metrics....

True. It's almost certainly underestimating the number of people who engage with trials.