How to get that 25k plus merciless resolve (PvP)?

Theignson

I originally posted, how to get that 20k merciless resolve?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8159775#Comment_8159775

However, this is clearly outmoded. On my warden with 25k resists I got hit with 25,369 spectral bow, plus a 21,802 incap, and a 15,812 arterial burst. These are combat metric verified.

These numbers are stratospheric. With my NB I can't get anywhere near these. My arterial bursts hit for like 6k.

I noticed every single hit (including all the other things he hit me with, like 4k light attacks etc) were critical hits. 10/10.

Mechanical acuity must be part of it, right?

Fortunately, since Zerodil is so screwed up and everyone has to be tanky, I survived these blasts, but only barely and likely because he didn't land them all at once.

Oblivion_Protocol

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Theignson

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Right, but he was 100% crit hits.
I've noticed something about crit chance and actual crit percentage. I rarely get the crit percentage indicated by my crit chance-- 90% of the time it is lower. That is probably due to a defective RNG mechanism

gonzogp

25k resistances isn’t much if he was using balorgh/shatteredfate. A 500 ult drop would put them over 17k pen. Any breach status add to that. If he was low health arterial burst is guaranteed crit. Some people use that vampire channel that drains health for spell/weapon damage. Typical gank Nightblade stuff

moderatelyfatman

Theignson wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Right, but he was 100% crit hits.
I've noticed something about crit chance and actual crit percentage. I rarely get the crit percentage indicated by my crit chance-- 90% of the time it is lower. That is probably due to a defective RNG mechanism

Yep, Spectral Bow regularly hitting harder than most Ultimates is a regular point of discussion.
I remember there was a video discussing this issue and commenting that it was the passives that did it for the nightblade. I just can't be bothered finding it.

Theignson

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Right, but he was 100% crit hits.
I've noticed something about crit chance and actual crit percentage. I rarely get the crit percentage indicated by my crit chance-- 90% of the time it is lower. That is probably due to a defective RNG mechanism

Yep, Spectral Bow regularly hitting harder than most Ultimates is a regular point of discussion.
I remember there was a video discussing this issue and commenting that it was the passives that did it for the nightblade. I just can't be bothered finding it.

It hits harder than "anything" in Cyrodil. Most players have concluded that someone on the dev team prefers NB.

A cold stone trebuchet hit is typically 18k max. Dawnbreaker can go over 10k. Leap hits 5-6k often but is area effect.

ZOS has "never" provided justification for a spell that 1) gives free 300 weapon damage just for light attacking 2) heals you for 50% of the damage done! 3) hits harder than anything else in the game (in PvP).

bladenick

Do please try on dummy first, you need at least 45k incap and 50k spectral bow, take all your best dps set and CP, you will soon find this is almost not possible
So how to do this in PVP with battle spirit?

EF321

bladenick wrote: »

Do please try on dummy first, you need at least 45k incap and 50k spectral bow, take all your best dps set and CP, you will soon find this is almost not possible
So how to do this in PVP with battle spirit?

That's just bow out of nowhere, with no incap debuff or any other debuffs on dummy.
In no-proc no-cp (when that was a thing) I've seen squishies with low defenses get hit by up to ~29k with this (literal one shots). Properly built and buffed players were taking something like 18k at best.
This was oakensoul, war maiden, innate axiom and it was a cheap lazy ranged build for no-cp no-proc (that I wasn't playing much), you probably can get higher numbers than this by using something out of the bunch: true sworn, titanborn, archer's mind, gourmand (and balorgh instead of oakensoul). I was thinking even coral riptide might work for big bow procs, but never got to actually try it.


Also on 15k arterial burst. Found some old clip from couple of years ago with titanborn+true sworn, here's one unaware player hit by 17k arterial burst, and buffed up DK mid combat on SnB bar, hit for 13k:

This was before you could keep merciless stacks indefinitely, so wasn't even on my bar. I imagine it would hit for similar numbers to OPs.

Theignson

Showing on a target dummy or PvE isnt comparable. Target dummies have lower resists and also no critical resists. 3300 crit resist is supposed to be 50% reduction of damage, I had around 1700 so it should have been 25% reduction. With Battle spirit and crit resists, plus higher base resists, hard to see how you get to a 25k bow hit.

Also depending on the dummy there are additional debuffs and buffs.

I do think this player used simmering frenzy, since he has very few hp (and dropped dead from like a light attack).

Mechanical acuity couldn't explain how he got 100% crits, because the fight was longer than 6 seconds and all the attacks were crits. Mech acuity has a 25 second cooldown.

I don't think "amy old build" can produce these numbers, I'm not a NB expert, but I have played one in PvP up to 1 star level. I went through a phase of ganking, other phases of brawling. Maybe I will get him playing againand see what mechanical acuity does.

I have noticed lately lots of ganking where it had fallen off for a while. I suspect a new build...

EF321

Theignson wrote: »

I do think this player used simmering frenzy, since he has very few hp (and dropped dead from like a light attack).

Then it very likely was titan born and true sworn fury build
https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/titanborn-strength
https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/true-sworn-fury
Both have same proc condition as arterial burst guaranteed crit and are very stat dense at below 50%.

BXR_Lonestar

Theignson wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Doesn’t have to be Mechanical Acuity. With Order’s Wrath and the right build, over 50% of your hits can be crits.

Right, but he was 100% crit hits.
I've noticed something about crit chance and actual crit percentage. I rarely get the crit percentage indicated by my crit chance-- 90% of the time it is lower. That is probably due to a defective RNG mechanism

Coming out of stealth or invis is an automatic crit for nightblades.

Hitting a target with Arterial Burst when you are below 50% is an automatic crit hit.

The incap could just be lucky RNG with crits, but either way, incap leaves you vulnerable to take 20% more damage from other attacks.

There could be other factors at work here too. For instance, if they are running vampire stage 4, they don't regen health, making it easier to maintain below 50% health. These builds sometimes use Titanborn armor set which gives around 440 extra weapon/spell damage and almost 5k penetration when you are under 50% health. And the vampire simmering frenzy skill gives an extra 400 weapon/spell damage and guarantees you are under 50% health when you attack your opponent.

Stack on marked for death (major breach/fracture), 5 pieces shattered fate, maybe a 500 ult while wearing balorgs monster helm (500 extra weapon damage + ~ 13.5k penetration at max stacks), and you have a nightblade that is massively buffed up, and you look like you are wearing no armor to them (around 7k pen from shattered fete, 6k pen from major ftracture/breach, another 5k pen from titanborn = 18k pen BEFORE balorg's pen bonuses are stacked. With balorg active, you might as well not even be wearing armor.

So if you are not blocking, you basically have very little damage mitigation, and those few seconds coming out of stealth/invis, the nightblade is at his maximum damage potential.

What is the lesson we learned today kids? Run detect potions and always hold block.

MincMincMinc

Theignson wrote: »

I originally posted, how to get that 20k merciless resolve?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8159775#Comment_8159775

However, this is clearly outmoded. On my warden with 25k resists I got hit with 25,369 spectral bow, plus a 21,802 incap, and a 15,812 arterial burst. These are combat metric verified.

If you want to hit hard in pvp while still being a viable build you really have to do number crunching and understand which stats are useful. I break down stats into 3 tiers from least efficient to most efficient

1. Max stats
2. WD/SD being about 40-50% more damage per 2-4 piece line. Recovery is equivalent to WD/SD.
3. Pen being about 90% more damage than Max stats per 2-4 piece line. %damage bonuses like berserk.

Crit damage can be funky because it may or may not always be efficient. Example being on a nb you have guaranteed crits. On builds with high crit it will be comparable to a %damage buff. Why it can really be strong is that when you crit there is a massive spike in burst. Now adays in the high health burst heal meta it is slightly more important to condense your damage down into short burst. This is why you rarely see pure dot attrition style builds.

So when making a build you really need to prioritize making any choice that can be a tier 3 be a tier 3. Any choice that can be a tier 2 instead of a tier 1, make it tier 2. For example on your mundus you can choose all three tiers. %Crit damage wins against Weapon damage which wins against max stam.

Going more advanced I would suggest making simple build choices first and figure out which order you make choices. For instance Armor enchants are pretty simple, triglyphs are the most efficient. Food wise Hissimir provides the most tier 2 stats while also being cheap.(it is only regen, so your HP pool will be lower..... you can then pick up hp in another trade where it is the most efficient choice......So here you would make your attributes more hp based instead of max stam.) Jewelry enchants are fairly simple as well, weapon damage glyphs are the most efficient.

Really it just points out an underlying issue with the game, where most build choices are pointless and have a clear BIS stat that everyone chooses. Newer players either dont know or havent cared to learn what the most efficient stats are. The majority of players just rely on youtuber to relay meta, even though youtubers typically get info second hand.