Deserters must be punished HARSHLY!!!

BelmontDrakul

In Battlegrounds, I hate the people who ditch their teammates in the middle of the game. Deserter penalty must be 4 hours or something like that to discourage that kinda behavior. Half an hour is not enough at all.

Also, each team should have surrender option to prevent losing our precious time. If all members agree, and at least 3 mins have been passed, a team should be able to surrender.

Calastir

That's taking the game far too serious and not taking connection problems into account.

I say there shouldn't be any waiting time to either join or time penalty to quit the game at all.

coop500

I'd only agree to this if there's a surrender choice.

I only deserted once recently, but I had to. My team would not work together to save their lives, and one was just an archer who stood at spawn and threw pot shots at people. Utterly useless.
I'd drop down, wait for my team to come, and then charge the group. I was repeatedly abandoned, so yes, I abandoned them.

Orbital78

10 min matches is way too long when the match making isn't balanced.

Estin

I don't blame players for deserting. The team balance is really skewed and it's not fun for anyone to play an extremely one sided match. Imo, a deserter penalty shouldn't kick in unless someone leaves x amount of times in a row or within a time frame, that is if there's no option to surrender.

TiberX

I had disconnects during battleground several times. Only battleground and some pvp overcrowding during siege.

KiltMaster

yeah I'm sorry but if I try to coach my team and they still ignore me and stand on ledge and do nothing I'm out of there.

MreeBiPolar

coop500 wrote: »

I'd only agree to this if there's a surrender choice.

I only deserted once recently, but I had to. My team would not work together to save their lives, and one was just an archer who stood at spawn and threw pot shots at people. Utterly useless.
I'd drop down, wait for my team to come, and then charge the group. I was repeatedly abandoned, so yes, I abandoned them.

... And then that potshotter would have voted "no" to surrender

imaslowlearner

I believe that if you leave a battlegrounds match, straight to jail
If you bring 16khp to a battlegrounds match and are on my team, straight to jail
If all you do is light attack the air and are on my team, straight to jail
If you sit afk in base eating glue and are on my team, straight to jail
If my team does not win the match, believe it or not, straight to jail for the enemy team

Ingenon

I believe that ESO is a game.

I believe that there should not be hard punishment for game players. I play for fun.

Carry on.

El_Borracho

Counterpoint: I should not be tethered to a group of players who either have no interest in even attempting the objective or be forced to suffer through an AFK player there to get an Endeavor or other goal accomplished.

Even worse is when you are on a team with a player or players who are actively helping another team succeed. As in failing to defend the relic, or refusing to fight the other team for the flag, or who simply give up and die in a deathmatch or chaosball.

Your surrender option does not address any of these situations, which happen more than they should in BG GF. In fact, I'd rather have a someone who is not interested in playing quit then force them to stay.

barney2525

hold on ....


ESO is a game ?

coop500

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I'd only agree to this if there's a surrender choice.

I only deserted once recently, but I had to. My team would not work together to save their lives, and one was just an archer who stood at spawn and threw pot shots at people. Utterly useless.
I'd drop down, wait for my team to come, and then charge the group. I was repeatedly abandoned, so yes, I abandoned them.

... And then that potshotter would have voted "no" to surrender

True. This was my effort to be reasonable lol.

averyfarmanb14_ESO

Yes, let's continue the beatings until their morale improves! What a brilliant idea!

Surely that won't further discourage PvP, especially now that battlegrounds have become "Sorcerors & Nightblades: Forgotten Realms"...

averyfarmanb14_ESO

coop500 wrote: »

I'd only agree to this if there's a surrender choice.

I only deserted once recently, but I had to. My team would not work together to save their lives, and one was just an archer who stood at spawn and threw pot shots at people. Utterly useless.
I'd drop down, wait for my team to come, and then charge the group. I was repeatedly abandoned, so yes, I abandoned them.

I participated in a battleground just so I could get rid of the "For Glory!" nag quest. I died 24 times, in a 500-8 curbstomping, because after the first minute of my clearly-PUGging team's confrontation by a dedicated PvP team, I was the only player jumping from the starting area into the arena. I didn't abandon the battleground, only because I needed to register a completed battleground to get rid of that quest. If I didn't need to get rid of it, I would've happily left.

I cannot understand why anyone who didn't have to stay just so another team could kill them dozens of time, would bother to stay. I suspect it's why a number of non-PvP items and events require PvP completion elements - to ensure that there's enough cannon fodder.

El_Borracho

averyfarmanb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, let's continue the beatings until their morale improves! What a brilliant idea!

Surely that won't further discourage PvP, especially now that battlegrounds have become "Sorcerors & Nightblades: Forgotten Realms"...

Oh come on! Who wouldn't love the chance to be stuck on a bad BGs team that you have to stick with until the end or go sit in time out for 4 HOURS.

My favorite part is the solution of getting everyone in the group to agree to surrender. A group that is so bad you want to leave because a couple of players are ruining the BGs because THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO PLAY WITH THE TEAM. Brilliant solution.

Solariken

There should not be any penalty at all. Instead, just make it impossible to leave the match until it's over.

noblecron

Solariken wrote: »

There should not be any penalty at all. Instead, just make it impossible to leave the match until it's over.

I'd be fine with this. I've had DC's and wanted to get right back into the match only to find i was kicked for desertion

kringled_1

Solariken wrote: »

There should not be any penalty at all. Instead, just make it impossible to leave the match until it's over.

People can always force close the game.

Calastir

kringled_1 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

There should not be any penalty at all. Instead, just make it impossible to leave the match until it's over.

People can always force close the game.

Then the whole team remains in limbo for eternity UNTIL ZE GAME IS FINISHED, JAH?!?

Ren_TheRedFox

Jeez it's just a game guys ... if someone disconnects well it happens ... if someone leaves the bg ... well happens as well ... just saying sometimes people leave because of an emergency ... A 4 hour penalty? You must be out of your mind if you think that's justified ... And even if someone leaves the bg cause they wanted to? You tell me ... Would you rather have someone who stays in the bg for the full 15 minutes and be useless and probably bring down the whole mood or rather have someone else come instead and possibly be a game changer?

Calastir

Any player who leaves a BG today gets a login penalty of uhm...12 hours. And don't do it again.

Razmirra

What about a player shuffle vote if things become far too lopsided?

Servadei

Strongly disagree. The penalty we have now is already too harsh. Why does it disable any AP gain from any PvP source when you have the BG deserter debuff? That just makes me stop going into any PvP zone because I usually wait in Cyro while in BG queue. It's like not being able to earn any gold from any PvE source if you have the dungeon queue deserter debuff. Nerfing our currency gain to zero is a ridiculous addition to the timeout penalty especially with the notorious server side disconnect problems that aren't our fault.

Frugog

Are deserter penalties specific to the activity you were doing? Because it should be instance-wide, IMO. 15 minutes unable to queue for anything or enter any instance - including Cyrodiil - if you desert anything. Leaves you so that the only thing you can do in-game is overland for 15 minutes, discourages people from leaving whatever they queued for. I do agree though that there should be a surrender option as well, because I get how it feels to end up in a group that's just not going to win.

shadyjane62

If you people feel this way about deserters, what about people who change factions? That should require a server wipe of the character and a new one remade.

Thumbless_Bot

KiltMaster wrote: »

yeah I'm sorry but if I try to coach my team and they still ignore me and stand on ledge and do nothing I'm out of there.

I'm not responding to this to bait you, only to give constructive thoughts. I don't think most people want or need to be coached in a bg. you are really only making a bad situation worse when you tell other randos what to do. I would ignore you too. talk strategy, sure... coach, that's gonna be a no for me dog.

and, as a lot of others have said, it's only a game. it ain't that serious.

Tallon_IV

Why do people on here always have the most dramatic "solutions"?

NeoniKa

BelmontDrakul wrote: »

In Battlegrounds, I hate the people who ditch their teammates in the middle of the game. Deserter penalty must be 4 hours or something like that to discourage that kinda behavior. Half an hour is not enough at all.

Well... I hate the people who remains far from flags doing Deathmatch or sleeping at base during Domination or Crazy King modes (and it happens a lot). In those cases, I'm always the deserter and I shouldn't have any penalty for that. So, can you explain why should I be the one being penalized for leaving a useless team with a bunch of players doing nothing?

JinKC98

I seriously think the devs should just add a "Surrender vote" option so everyone can end the match earlier without penalty. Some matches are just huge pain to sit through, and I don't condone deserting but when things are no longer fun (as in getting farmed by the other team), it's just understandable if people want to leave.

Ren_TheRedFox

@Tallon_IV because people forget that this is an MMO and not a single player game. No one is going to act on someone else's favor unless they see a personal gain in it, and everyone can see the “true intention” behind this post.