Female argonian boobs?

Dojohoda

Clearly, for fashion, the real endgame.

Monte_Cristo

Syldras wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Also, the different types of Khajiit range from fully elven looking to fully cat looking. The most cat-like (like Senche or Alfiq) do not have human looking breasts, the more humanoid ones do. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I wonder if the Khajiit's for affects their litter numbers? Do the more cat like forms have multiple births more frequently, thus needing more *** for the kittens, while the bipedal ones have similar litters to humans, where a single or duo birth is the usual, thus only needing 2 ***?
Edit: Why is the word for the part you suckle milk from censored? Since when was it rude?

Jaraal

Syldras wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Millenia of Argonian slavery caused them to develop breasts to nurse Dunmer children.

Nah, that's what Khajiit are for. Want a bottle?

But the thread is about "Argonian boobs," not why Khajiit females don't have 8 of them.

Pelanora

What the old thread and this new one tells me is the forum was funnier in 2016.

Sorry but that's the shakedown here.

Syldras

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

I wonder if the Khajiit's for affects their litter numbers? Do the more cat like forms have multiple births more frequently, thus needing more *** for the kittens, while the bipedal ones have similar litters to humans, where a single or duo birth is the usual, thus only needing 2 ***?
Edit: Why is the word for the part you suckle milk from censored? Since when was it rude?

Interesting theory! I mean it.

Jaraal wrote: »

But the thread is about "Argonian boobs," not why Khajiit females don't have 8 of them.

Argonians can't nurse anyone because while they have something that looks like breasts, they don't have the word that got censored in the post above.

Jaraal

Syldras wrote: »

[Argonians can't nurse anyone because while they have something that looks like breasts, they don't have the word that got censored in the post above.

You have proof of this, or just speculating?

UrQuan

They have boobs for the same reason humans do even when not lactating: because they walk upright on 2 legs. As humans evolved to walk upright, that's when human females evolved prominent breasts where other primates that do not walk upright did not. On a biological level, prominent breasts exist for the purposes of sexual selection, as they evolved to resemble the buttocks, which are less prominent when walking upright than when walking on all fours. Source: anthropology courses that I took in university (for the information on humans, anyway: we didn't talk about argonians in anthropology).

Syldras

Jaraal wrote: »

You have proof of this, or just speculating?

Argonian males clearly don't have them, as it is visible in game, and in mammals it's usually both male and female specimens that have them. Of course Argonians could be the big exception, but why would they even have them if they don't ever nurse their offspring? If we assume the Hist made them to resemble humans or elves, why would only female Argonians be made like this, but not the males?

Do you have any proof of Argonians being used for their milk? Dunmer nobles do use wet nurses for their children, there is a lore source for that, but it's usually other Dunmer of lower rank, as in paid servants. Maybe other elves would also be possible, I don't know, but I doubt that a reptile, even if magically shaped like a humanoid, would produce the right nutrition for an elven infant. From what I know, in real life babies can't just be given any random type of animal milk either.

Soarora

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Also, the different types of Khajiit range from fully elven looking to fully cat looking. The most cat-like (like Senche or Alfiq) do not have human looking breasts, the more humanoid ones do. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I wonder if the Khajiit's for affects their litter numbers? Do the more cat like forms have multiple births more frequently, thus needing more *** for the kittens, while the bipedal ones have similar litters to humans, where a single or duo birth is the usual, thus only needing 2 ***?
Edit: Why is the word for the part you suckle milk from censored? Since when was it rude?

I doubt it, at least, we haven’t seen any khajiit families with that many siblings. I theorize that Khajiit reproductive systems are the same no matter furstock because they’re the same species and are thus also likely cross-compatable… as questionable as some pairings might be to us. Besides, no matter furstock, kittens come out as regular kittens, as an answer to how, for instance, an alfiq could have a pahmar child.

zaria

C_Inside wrote: »

The real reason has already been posted in this thread. ZOS were just too lazy to make different bodies for each race so everyone uses the same skeleton and body. Only difference is the head, a tail hastily duct taped to some races, and elongated nails on the fingertips of those same races.

That's a staple of ES games though. Races are all mechanically the same in all of them. So at least ESO is consistent with the rest of the series, I guess.

Back in Morrowind and Oblivion you just had one set male and female model, granted legs for argonians and khajiit was different in Morrowind but you had one type of male and female clothing. In Skyrim and ESO we got better sliders.
But then it was established that they had breasts.

Lore wise I agree the hist made them in the image of man.

Razmirra

Aesthetic (via Hist) to be more humanoid like men and elves for their female counterparts, and easier to tell them apart outside their voices and mannerisms.

ArchMikem

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.

I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Syldras

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.
I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Are many people attracted to lizardfolk, and do breasts really make a difference in that case?

I think, while catering to the public generally makes sense when considering design decisions, there might be another simple explanation: All races used the same body model in Arena.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Races
And since they established Argonians to look like that in the lore, they could hardly change them too much in later games, even if it would have become much easier from the technical side.

Tommy_The_Gun

There is also one obscure lore detail in Murkmire (side quest involving Stibbons) and this quest kinda says it that Argonians in fact do have Cloacas... and it makes sense. They are reptiles. So if they have, then from a lore perspective it makes very little sense for them to have boobs... but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Monte_Cristo

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

There is also one obscure lore detail in Murkmire (side quest involving Stibbons) and this quest kinda says it that Argonians in fact do have Cloacas... and it makes sense. They are reptiles. So if they have, then from a lore perspective it makes very little sense for them to have boobs... but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Monotremes are mammals and have cloacas. So I'll stand by my theory that Argonians are or are similar to monotremes.
Monotremes also don't have ***. They lactate milk through pores in the skin instead.
Argonians are a reptile version of monotremes.

Syldras

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Now I'm curious: Those who like to play Argonians, is this important to you? Or would you prefer them to look more lizard with less humanoid features?

Honest question. I know some people who like to play rather un-humanoid creatures in games when possible, or alien races in sci-fi games that are not exactly beautiful from a human perspective, and who don't mind at all that they don't look too human.

Artem_gig

they have no functionality. But, I assume that, judging by the lore, the Hist created the Argonians based on what he saw - the elves and humans. Elven and human women also have breasts.

Artem_gig

As for the Khajiit, according to legend, the Khajiit were created by Azura from the forest elves. Therefore, I believe that the more humanized Khajiit (walking on two legs) have 2 breasts, by analogy with their ancestors - the elves. But the further into the animal form (walking on 4 legs), the more their anatomy is similar to cats.

Artem_gig

Jaraal wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

[Argonians can't nurse anyone because while they have something that looks like breasts, they don't have the word that got censored in the post above.

You have proof of this, or just speculating?

You may not have played Daggerfall, but their breasts don't have ***. The Hist simply saw that there was a bulge, the Hist added a bulge.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Jaraal wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

[Argonians can't nurse anyone because while they have something that looks like breasts, they don't have the word that got censored in the post above.

You have proof of this, or just speculating?

Several people have said it, myself on the previous page, because they don't have that part on breasts that start on N where breastmilks comes out from. There are no mammary glands, just aestethic lumps. We see it in several TES games, even in ESO where the male argonians don't have them either, while male man and mer do.

I've not heard argonians being used to nurse dunmer children anywhere. A dunmer using an argonian slave for that (if it was possible) sounds like it would cause a loud scandal amongst dunmer, since they barely see them as people.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Syldras wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.
I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Are many people attracted to lizardfolk, and do breasts really make a difference in that case?

Syldras wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Now I'm curious: Those who like to play Argonians, is this important to you? Or would you prefer them to look more lizard with less humanoid features?

Honest question. I know some people who like to play rather un-humanoid creatures in games when possible, or alien races in sci-fi games that are not exactly beautiful from a human perspective, and who don't mind at all that they don't look too human.

As one of those people who do, I'm happy to answer any curiosity you may have, @Syldras, as always. Will keep it short and forum friendly here, but if you want to know anything else you know where to find me.

Beauty is of course subjective even amongst niche tastes like this, but going by myself, people I know and observation by communities of similar mind, a majority who find argonians or lizard-like people attractive, it does not really make a difference or is a big deal. Some prefer it, some don't, some are indifferent etc.

I personally prefer my non-human looking humanoid/sapient people to look less human. When they look as themselves that's when I find them most appealing. Same way I like dunmer when they are all angular faces, mer eyes, and bony brow.

You mentioned sci-fi and it's the same there. Turians from Mass Effect games is a rather known alien who looks very little like humans, besides the two legs, two arms, torso and head combo that is. They look like some insect-reptile-bird, and are definitely attractive. One of the games most popular romances is a turian, and those numbers are so high it must include people who are usually not attracted to non-human looking characters.

I've never been able to get behind or understand when people and media say characters need to look or behave like humans so we can relate to them. I've had no issue relating or liking characters who doesn't look or behave anything like a human. They even have a tendency to often end up being my favourite characters.

TaSheen

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.
I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Are many people attracted to lizardfolk, and do breasts really make a difference in that case?

Syldras wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Now I'm curious: Those who like to play Argonians, is this important to you? Or would you prefer them to look more lizard with less humanoid features?

Honest question. I know some people who like to play rather un-humanoid creatures in games when possible, or alien races in sci-fi games that are not exactly beautiful from a human perspective, and who don't mind at all that they don't look too human.

As one of those people who do, I'm happy to answer any curiosity you may have, @Syldras, as always. Will keep it short and forum friendly here, but if you want to know anything else you know where to find me.

Beauty is of course subjective even amongst niche tastes like this, but going by myself, people I know and observation by communities of similar mind, a majority who find argonians or lizard-like people attractive, it does not really make a difference or is a big deal. Some prefer it, some don't, some are indifferent etc.

I personally prefer my non-human looking humanoid/sapient people to look less human. When they look as themselves that's when I find them most appealing. Same way I like dunmer when they are all angular faces, mer eyes, and bony brow.

You mentioned sci-fi and it's the same there. Turians from Mass Effect games is a rather known alien who looks very little like humans, besides the two legs, two arms, torso and head combo that is. They look like some insect-reptile-bird, and are definitely attractive. One of the games most popular romances is a turian, and those numbers are so high it must include people who are usually not attractive to non-human looking characters.

I've never been able to get behind or understand when people and media say characters need to look or behave like humans so we can relate to them. I've had no issue relating or liking characters who doesn't look or behave anything like a human. They even have a tendency to often end up being my favourite characters.

I actually preferred the Turians to any other race in ME, including Asari (what little I played of the games). But I've been rooted in TES since Arena released, and while I LOVE me my khajiit, I don't have any interest at all in argonians (or nords or orcs) - I never play those races.

Though I really REALLY didn't enjoy or appreciate the almost forced "romance" stuff in ME, which is why I didn't play much of the games.

Syldras

@NotaDaedraWorshipper Thank you for your insightful posts!

I'd like to add to this, because it just comes to my mind:

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've not heard argonians being used to nurse dunmer children anywhere. A dunmer using an argonian slave for that (if it was possible) sounds like it would cause a loud scandal amongst dunmer, since they barely see them as people.

Historically, in the real world, there are different cultures who believed that personality traits would carry over from the wet nurse to the child through the milk. Which means a person with traits deemed undesirable would never be chosen for that job.

Some cultures also knew the concept of "milk kinship" which made the nurse part of the family, with the same rights as family members related by blood.

We have no lore details about what the Dunmer believe about this topic (only one source about wet nurses existing in Dunmer society - mentioned in TES5 in a letter during the quest for Brandyl/Brand-Shei, the Dunmer merchant in Riften), but let's say it would not be surprising if Argonians would be considered absolutely inappropriate for this job for different cultural reasons.

katanagirl1

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.
I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Are many people attracted to lizardfolk, and do breasts really make a difference in that case?

Syldras wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Now I'm curious: Those who like to play Argonians, is this important to you? Or would you prefer them to look more lizard with less humanoid features?

Honest question. I know some people who like to play rather un-humanoid creatures in games when possible, or alien races in sci-fi games that are not exactly beautiful from a human perspective, and who don't mind at all that they don't look too human.

As one of those people who do, I'm happy to answer any curiosity you may have, @Syldras, as always. Will keep it short and forum friendly here, but if you want to know anything else you know where to find me.

Beauty is of course subjective even amongst niche tastes like this, but going by myself, people I know and observation by communities of similar mind, a majority who find argonians or lizard-like people attractive, it does not really make a difference or is a big deal. Some prefer it, some don't, some are indifferent etc.

I personally prefer my non-human looking humanoid/sapient people to look less human. When they look as themselves that's when I find them most appealing. Same way I like dunmer when they are all angular faces, mer eyes, and bony brow.

You mentioned sci-fi and it's the same there. Turians from Mass Effect games is a rather known alien who looks very little like humans, besides the two legs, two arms, torso and head combo that is. They look like some insect-reptile-bird, and are definitely attractive. One of the games most popular romances is a turian, and those numbers are so high it must include people who are usually not attracted to non-human looking characters.

I've never been able to get behind or understand when people and media say characters need to look or behave like humans so we can relate to them. I've had no issue relating or liking characters who doesn't look or behave anything like a human. They even have a tendency to often end up being my favourite characters.

I read that Liara the Asari was supposed to be the natural choice for romance, but I felt like Garrus the Turian was the best choice for femShep. He is the most likeable character in my opinion.

The whole series did such a great job of creating distinct and interesting aliens.

Ginge

The fact that the baby Argonian comes from an egg does not change the fact that the newly hatched will need sustenance over the first few months of its life.

Syldras

Ginge wrote: »

The fact that the baby Argonian comes from an egg does not change the fact that the newly hatched will need sustenance over the first few months of its life.

But not neccessarily milk.

gariondavey

Let me ask you this, op:
Would the lusty argonian maid be as compelling otherwise?

zaria

Syldras wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

There's the Lore reason that can be speculated and debated for ever. Real reason is the Devs back then we're people, and people like Mammaries. We think they're neat.
I mean just look at TES: Arena's cover art.

Are many people attracted to lizardfolk, and do breasts really make a difference in that case?

I think, while catering to the public generally makes sense when considering design decisions, there might be another simple explanation: All races used the same body model in Arena.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Races
And since they established Argonians to look like that in the lore, they could hardly change them too much in later games, even if it would have become much easier from the technical side.

And I was talking about Morrowind. Zerith-Var calls this one an Ja'khajiit 😺 never played Arena but remember the paper doll system in Daggerfall.

ArchMikem

Syldras wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

but again, as many pointed out - it has more to do with our world & the fact that we tend to relate with our virtual characters.

Now I'm curious: Those who like to play Argonians, is this important to you? Or would you prefer them to look more lizard with less humanoid features?

Honest question. I know some people who like to play rather un-humanoid creatures in games when possible, or alien races in sci-fi games that are not exactly beautiful from a human perspective, and who don't mind at all that they don't look too human.

I have two Argonians, both Female. (granted my entire roster is all Female...) i personally would have found a slightly less Humanoid figure to be even more fascinating, like digitigrade legs, it's why I'm a huge fan of the beast races, they're different. However I still appreciate the familiarity of the base Humanoid form. Bipedal, Mamallian features, even if Argonians are Reptilian. Then again, I wouldn't have shed a tear if all Female Argonians were flat chested. You could still differentiate Sex by giving them wider hips, usual curves.

But in general, I'm tired of being Human in Fantasy. If there's another option I'm taking it. Hell, if there was a Mass Effect MMO, I'd play as a Quarian.