[BG] How often do you check the new Competitive leaderboard?

SkaraMinoc

Curious what the level of interest is when the leaderboard is determined by medal score and not win/loss.

SkaraMinoc

Less than once a week

I don't understand why the player in first place deserves that rank when all they did was play more games than everyone else. How is that in any way competitive? Why should I care about the leaderboards at all if that's how they work?

chessalavakia_ESO

Several times a day

It's interesting to track the activity levels of the competitive mode and I want to make sure I'm on pace to be in the top 100 so I can get the Outfit Style Reward.

Stafford197

Never

It’s a fake leaderboard so who cares - there’s nothing competitive to speak of.

The only reason someone would check is if they’re specifically farming medals all day for leaderboard rewards.

fizzylu

Never

I used to check it just to see which players were playing a lot and also to see how quick I could "catch up" on it because while some people always thought medal score meant nothing, I personally did think your medal score does to some extent say how much you did within a match, win or not.... but now I don't even care about either of those things thanks to the BG update.

silky_soft

Never

It goes to the highest healer, so why bother.

I actually get score in 8v8 sometimes. Anyone else notice that?

gariondavey

Never

When I realized when I started in 2017 that the "leaderboard" was just "who plays the most" I stopped looking at it.
It was broken for years after that anyways.
It is pointless now because zos didn't listen on what a leaderboard should be.
I haven't looked at it once since the update, or for years tbh.
Saying this as a bg main.

darvaria

Never

I'm not even sure how the medal scores are calculated. I do heal quite a bit but not the most healing and but I usually receive the highest score in the whole game. Of course, if someone like @SkaraMinoc is there they will get the highest score. What I do on the current mode is defend one of the flags, usually an outside flag. Occasionally moving to the middle flag. There can be 1 or 2 healers that move around with the damage team, that sometimes receive more medals but not usually.

I play to win the BG. Even on a losing team, I noticed my score can be 2x higher than anyone on winning team and I mostly guarded and defended one flag. Of course, some heals.

A long time ago, I used to be on the leader boards in the "flag/capture" categories only but they got rid of that. There are no lead boards for 8v8 right? I don't look because I'm never playing enough to make a leader board again.

Players like me are the reason, there should never be a MMR in 8v8 solo que. I want a casual PVP experience. YES, I usually have the top medal score on both teams and am seldom less than top 3 on both teams. But I am a very average player and the reason is I play objectives. That's why MMR would probably stop me from ever playing in a BG because my MMR might be higher and on the high MMR teams I would get destroyed for trying to play objectives and heal. I NEVER want a high MMR or any leader board rating. On death match, I can usually score high but not the highest. Killing players can never give the most points because these players will not follow objectives except in Death Match. These players run off chasing other players and abandon everything about the objectives.

That's why I am advocating for a return of "Death Match" only ques.

Thumbless_Bot

Never

Until they fix medal score it's broken. The worst part is mmr loss to a bunch of healers on dm.

SkaraMinoc

Less than once a week

Should I start a Weekly 4v4 Participation Trophy thread to highlight and congratulate the #1 player for cheesing medal score and playing unhealthy amounts of battlegrounds? Because apparently time played is more important than actually winning.

fizzylu

Never

....uh no, because maybe they're just playing a lot because they have the time to (we don't know their lives) and aren't "cheesing" anything by doing so?

SkaraMinoc

Less than once a week

fizzylu wrote: »

....uh no, because maybe they're just playing a lot because they have the time to (we don't know their lives) and aren't "cheesing" anything by doing so?

Currently the #1 player is cheesing medal score by spamming Twilight Matriarch heals. That's why they're over 600k score ahead of the next player. They're about to break 1 million medal score. You don't get that many points just by having lots of free time. They are intentionally exploiting the number of points given for using skills like Matriarch Restore and Polar Wind.

fizzylu

Never

Okay, let's say that person is purposefully spamming their twilight matriarch to cheese the board (instead of, you know, trying to heal their teammates-- is what we're saying here).... and what about everyone else? I get that the system is broken especially so with the heals thing being out of control, but directing your distaste for it at players just seems in bad taste-- especially when you could be targeting someone that's just trying to enjoy the game.

*Also just checked out of curiosity; that person is in the BG guild I'm in and even ranked up in it. Meaning they most likely have played BGs a lot even before the update, and probably relatively well. Assuming they're intentionally cheesing it and not just playing the game on whatever time they want with whatever playstyle they simply have is wild.

SkaraMinoc

Less than once a week

fizzylu wrote: »

Assuming they're intentionally cheesing it and not just playing the game on whatever time they want with whatever playstyle they simply have is wild.

How is that wild? You think this player doesn't realize the Matriarch gives them medal score? Of course they do. That's why they sent me hatemail when I kept sending them back to spawn. Let's be real here, they know exactly what they're doing.

SkaraMinoc

Less than once a week

darvaria wrote: »

Of course, if someone like @SkaraMinoc is there they will get the highest score.

I'm not healing in 4v4's because when you get matched up with experienced players, they'll just kill the Twilight Matriarch and the Sorc is defenseless. So I'm only playing as dd and I'm usually near the bottom for score even though I contribute significantly. Battleground medals can't always determine player impact.

I'm still not even ranked and I've won nearly all of my competitive 4v4's.



Example. I'm penalized with low medal score even though I contributed significantly towards winning by heavily preventing the enemy team from being able to get anywhere near the capture any points.

Cooperharley

Never

ESO has never had a competitive leaderboard that makes sense, so until they make some pretty large sweeping changes across the board where placing is actually worth it with an actual reward structure and cooler maybe seasonal ranking system and progression, why check it?

There’s a lot of stuff in ESO that has the same foundation - what’s the point? Very little to no reward or incentive for continual gameplay

xylena_lazarow

Never

Separate leaderboards for healing and damage could maybe help? Useless as is.

fizzylu

Never

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

How is that wild? You think this player doesn't realize the Matriarch gives them medal score? Of course they do. That's why they sent me hatemail when I kept sending them back to spawn. Let's be real here, they know exactly what they're doing.

Love how you completely edited this changing the entire tone from the original reply, btw. Anyway....

Orrrr, maybe they're just a normal PvPer annoyed that one person keeps killing them (especially if it's when they're not even on objective, most would find that annoying)???? Jumping to the conclusion that they're specifically mad that you're not allowing them to spam their heal for the medal score is odd, sorry. Especially when you consider with how high their score is.... what purpose would they have to continue to cheese it? They've already secured the reward for being 1st, so.... why? For what? Nothing is coming to mind here. Honestly, it really just sounds like you're mad that you don't get a high medal score with the way the system works.... which is fair, but why make this about a player like they're the problem?

I don't have a screenshot of a 4v4 on hand, but:

More often than not I get a relatively high or the highest medal score in a match. I am not a healer, but I will switch to playing defensively and focus on CC+healing my teammates if the situation calls for it. I usually play ON objectives as well, not away from them. Now, you can also see that I got 500 points for the one medic medal but only 2000 for the 20 killing blow ones.... THAT is a problem, sure-- but acting like it's impossible to get a high medal score if you're not just healing isn't really true.

Ren_TheRedFox

Once a week

Personally, I think the scoreboard is a waste of time ... I look at it ... yeah ... why, just to see how many people are actually playing in bgs ... the healing is ridiculous at this point ... especially in the 4v4s ... as a dedicated healer, I have to say (and this is just my personal opinion on this) that there is no need for raw healing or one bar healer builds when it comes to healing utility . ... of course that shouldn't stop anyone from using oakensoul, because everyone should do what they want, but I think healing in PvP in general needs a nerf. And as for the #1 ranked person ...., yes, they may be using the matriarch as a burst heal and “spamming” it, but people in the BG community (at least those with high mmr before U44) know they've been playing a sorc healer for a long time and they haven't been noticed until now because of the mmr resets and the “new” rating in BGs ... I wouldn't call it an “exploit” ... more the matriarch being a busted burst heal Polar Wind that needs to be nerfed to the level of the other burst heals like Breath of Life or Healthy Offering that only heal 1 (1.5) target(s) at a time.

Soarora

Never

Where even is it? I never bothered looking for it.

CameraBeardThePirate

This should show just how ridiculous the leaderboards are.

Red got obliterated and will move up the leaderboard 3x as much as Green.

fizzylu

Never

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

This should show just how ridiculous the leaderboards are.

*Currently.
While they were never perfect, right now the healing medal scores are worth far too many points making the leaderboards a far bigger mess than they ever were. I'm not sure what went wrong behind the scenes to make them reward so much now (I did show a picture showing one Medic medal rewarding 500 points) and I've been trying to find an old scoreboard screenshot I took that would show the old ones, but I think that same Medic one was 200 points previously.

And also, I love that you guys are posting perfect examples of how one-sided 4v4 BG matches usually are.... but it is quite baffling how low your medal scores are as well. Guess it shows that the medal score system was never built for just beating one team into the ground.

CameraBeardThePirate

fizzylu wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

This should show just how ridiculous the leaderboards are.

*Currently.
While they were never perfect, right now the healing medal scores are worth far too many points making the leaderboards a far bigger mess than they ever were. I'm not sure what went wrong behind the scenes to make them reward so much now (I did show a picture showing one Medic medal rewarding 500 points) and I've been trying to find an old scoreboard screenshot I took that would show the old ones, but I think that same Medic one was less than 30 points previously.

And also, I love that you guys are posting perfect examples of how one-sided 4v4 BG matches usually are.... but it is quite baffling how low your medal scores are as well. Guess it shows that the medal score system was never built for just beating one team into the ground.

The healing issue has always existed.

The leaderboards literally haven't changed from the previous iteration of BGs. They've always been a matter of playing the most BGs and spamming the most Crit Heals. That's the problem.

Any leaderboard, and especially one touted as a leaderboard for a "competitive" mode, should reward winning. The idea that Team A can pound Team B into the ground and get jumped by B on the leaderboard is asinine.

Alaztor91

Never

I wonder when we are going to see some of the Sorc resource node bots in the PvE Leaderboards, since apparently ZOS values played time above everything else when it comes to being ''Competitive''.

Maybe if you go and wipe for 100 hours in IA or a Trial ZOS might put you in a Leaderboard. No need to actually finish or have a good performance in it, just stack played time, right?

fizzylu

Never

@CameraBeardThePirate
???? You misunderstood what I said, I guess?
My point was that the amount of points given for healing medals is way higher than what they used to be, that's why we see healers getting super high medal scores compared to non healers right now.
Then what I said about the medals not working for one team just beating another into the ground is because there are medals for fighting ON points, defending ON them, getting kills ON them, etc.... meaning if you're just killing an entire team as they spawn or the second they touch an objective, then yes, you're not going to have a very high medal score. Again, especially when compared to healers since the amount of points rewarded for healing medals is insanely high.... which AGAIN AGAIN, is far more than what they used to be.

chessalavakia_ESO

Several times a day

fizzylu wrote: »

@CameraBeardThePirate
???? You misunderstood what I said, I guess?
My point was that the amount of points given for healing medals is way higher than what they used to be, that's why we see healers getting super high medal scores compared to non healers right now.
Then what I said about the medals not working for one team just beating another into the ground is because there are medals for fighting ON points, defending ON them, getting kills ON them, etc.... meaning if you're just killing an entire team as they spawn or the second they touch an objective, then yes, you're not going to have a very high medal score. Again, especially when compared to healers since the amount of points rewarded for healing medals is insanely high.... which AGAIN AGAIN, is far more than what they used to be.

Healing has actually been rewarding a bit too much for years now. It's just a case where previously the leaderboard rewards were low enough and didn't have a competitive title so people didn't care about them that much.

Here's a thread I made over two years back that mentions it.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/606200/feedback-from-a-week-spent-doing-solo-random-battlegrounds

fizzylu

Never

@chessalavakia_ESO
Okay, I'm done with this thread because I'm not sure why you guys are blatantly choosing to ignore the fact that there has been a far bigger problem (although I personally think it was intentional and they simply didn't expect all the negative feedback) with healing medals since the update and even Zenimax has acknowledged this. Wild.

chessalavakia_ESO

Several times a day

fizzylu wrote: »

@chessalavakia_ESO
Okay, I'm done with this thread because I'm not sure why you guys are blatantly choosing to ignore the fact that there has been a far bigger problem (although I personally think it was intentional and they simply didn't expect all the negative feedback) with healing medals since the update and even Zenimax has acknowledged this. Wild.

Because it isn't far bigger.

On the previous leaderboard I tried to see if I could get to the top one week a couple years back.

I ended up in 1st for the Flag Games with a score of 101,448, I was 1st in Land Grab with a score of 167,025, and I was 1st in Death Match with a score of 136,946.

fizzylu

Never

@chessalavakia_ESO
Okay, but what you're not understanding is that everything you're saying in response to what I said doesn't actually take into account what I've actually said (yes, I just had to write that really weird sentence since people here seem to be reading things selectively).

I already stated some replies ago that the medal system was not perfect, only that it's just WORSE because of the increase to points rewarded from the healing medals. Someone then felt the need to reply saying it was always an issue, which again, I had already acknowledged and was just pointing out that it is in fact worse because of the current amount of points rewarded for the healing medals (and sorry-- but a 300 point increase to just the one healing medal I was able to confirm the amount it was increased by is not "isn't far bigger", that's more than twice what it used to give). And then you also felt the need to selectively read what I had actually written in this thread and reply quoting me as well trying to make a point that I was never actually arguing against.... but yeah. This PvP community is doomed.

CameraBeardThePirate

fizzylu wrote: »

@chessalavakia_ESO
Okay, but what you're not understanding is that everything you're saying in response to what I said doesn't actually take into account what I've actually said (yes, I just had to write that really weird sentence since people here seem to be reading things selectively).

I already stated some replies ago that the medal system was not perfect, only that it's just WORSE because of the increase to points rewarded from the healing medals. Someone then felt the need to reply saying it was always an issue, which again, I had already acknowledged and was just pointing out that it is in fact worse because of the current amount of points rewarded for the healing medals (and sorry-- but a 300 point increase to just the one healing medal I was able to confirm the amount it was increased by is not "isn't far bigger", that's more than twice what it used to give). And then you also felt the need to selectively read what I had actually written in this thread and reply quoting me as well trying to make a point that I was never actually arguing against.... but yeah. This PvP community is doomed.

There was no increase in points rewarded for healing though.

Medal Score has not changed at all before and after the update. That's what the entire problem is. It's always been this broken, it just didn't matter before because there weren't really any leaderboard rewards and the system wasn't touted as "Competitive".

fizzylu

Never

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

There was no increase in points rewarded for healing though.

Lolololollll, okay.