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ERP and TOS?

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If you don't like this topic and it doesn't pertain to you, please move on. I'm just trying to get solid answers from someone. I don't have the mental energy for speculation, right now, so please try to stay on task to what is verifiable if you have information to provide.

I feel like we've been bouncing around this topic a lot in our discussions about AI moderation and TOS, so I'm going to just outright ask, especially as the updated TOS from today is doubling down on AI moderation.

Does erotic role play violate TOS, assuming the following:
  • All parties are of age and consent to participation and the content of the session.
  • It takes place in a private setting such as a private group chat, whispers, or a closed zone chat (such as a closed house).
  • It is strictly text-based and does not include links to external NSFW content.

Section 8 for Rules of Conduct indicate that we should not "Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, [...] that is [...] sexually explicit." Does text of a fictional sexual encounter count, or is this more of a blanket butt-covering against posting links to visual NSFW content (p*rn sites, OnlyFans, etc) in in-game chats?

I have been role-playing in ESO since 2016. My characters and their relationships, including their sexual encounters, are profoundly important narratives that have evolved widely and wonderfully over the years and helped me deepen connections with the dear friends I've made in the community. My characters have fallen in love, married, had children, and developed in so many other lovely ways, and a big part of my ability to do that comes down to freedom I've felt to enjoy ESO in this way.

I remember seeing posts from Kevin and others that the TOS are not intended to stifle creativity and the roleplaying community, but this ambiguity is ruining my comfort in what has been an incredibly safe space for me to share with my loved ones. If anybody has any firm answers or is willing to provide them, I would appreciate.

[EDIT] People are ignoring my first paragraph to be judgmental and act like we're oh so terrible for following our characters' relationships along perfectly natural progressions, so I'm just going to also add:

The game itself features sexually explicit text and content in several places, as noted by the game's ESRB rating summary, even. The Remanada, Vivec's Sermons (see 12, 14), Opusculus Lamae Bal, and the famous Lusty Argonian Maid are all plenty risque and right out there where anyone can find them, unlike consensual, private role play. The Tribunal Preacher achievement from the Morrowind expansion ENCOURAGES the player to seek out some of these texts. There's even a brothel in Ebonheart with open conversations and scenes that heavily denote sexual content, and we are sent there as part of a repeatable holiday quest in the winter. We're absolutely not adding content that is not already present.
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 12 November 2024 21:20
  • Vulkunne
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    My advice, for whatever its worth, is to open a ticket with ZOS Support for questions like these. That has helped me tremendously when dealing with other unrelated issues because sometimes the forums isn't always the best place to discuss. Course if you're a little angry at the quality of the support you're experience then well. :) On a more related note, personally, my review of TOS would tell me, speaking for me and not for ZOS or you, that some content is just inappropriate because it's inappropriate. It just doesn't belong here. It's kind of tacky to read language which is indicative of this and then ask them to grant exceptions based on a couple people's clean intentions.

    Let me also add, it's good to have friends, it's good to have close personal friends. But you know what, when you get right down to it, no one can be trusted. No one is really your friend; everyone can say what they want but friendships can be paper thin without you realizing it. Add to that, a good portion of the adult population, especially young adults, have proven (at least to me) they are not mature enough to handle what you're doing here. That's why it's good to do a deal, close that deal and move on.

    Never anchor your foundations in truth with your close personal ties between people. Sure, some people are a friend, and they can be trusted but all it takes is one who is not. Sometimes straight and narrow is the best way. The generation out there these days doesn't seem like they understand responsibility or what it means to have class or respect others dignity or handle mature content because they are not secure themselves. Then there is the dangerous element too. What if some kid lied, or some married person got involved in something like this... do you feel the need to carry out this kind of roll play knowing it could hurt some people? What if their parent or a husband wanted to talk to ZOS about it... I'm just saying. I mean... is this really worth it? Sometimes things meaning for a short audience have a way of getting around.

    Quite frankly, with something like this you're just asking for trouble, and I'd take this over discord and not chat in game. Its alot to risk for a short time of entertainment. This is just not the place for that.
    Edited by Vulkunne on 12 November 2024 03:41
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  • grievousGrimalkin
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    @Vulkunne, I've been RPing with the same 2 people for the duration, and they've been the only "partners" in this. You don't need the details of our lives, but basically all your concerns about maturity and truth are unnecessary in my scenario, because all parties, including external partners, consent to everything we're up to. Nothing in the TOS involves policing personal lives in the manner you are describing anyway. If somebody's lying to the people in their lives, that's not on ZOS.

    The game itself features this stuff, so it's not tacky to ask if my content is really so different from the game itself. Stories of [snip] like Lamae Bal's and Molag's whole sphere, the whole Remanada issue, the origin of minotaurs, or Vivec's sermons.

    You also call it "a short time of entertainment," but this is 7 years of the same characters and narrative we've built here. Some of my characters' children would be in first grade if they were real. Nothing about my scenario is "short." It's a profound investment of both time and money, as a Plus subscriber who regularly spends for cosmetics for 2 accounts worth of characters.

    All I'm asking is for ZOS to stop toeing the line and give us a straight answer, because one breath is the TOS and the next is "we don't want to stifle the creativity of our community."

    [Edit for censor bypass]
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 12 November 2024 21:03
  • IncultaWolf
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    Can confirm, a friend of mine did some ERP with someone who was consenting and fine with the subject, and some of the "spicy" topics got flagged by the AI and his account got a warning later. Be careful.
  • Vulkunne
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    @Vulkunne, I've been RPing with the same 2 people for the duration, and they've been the only "partners" in this. You don't need the details of our lives, but basically all your concerns about maturity and truth are unnecessary in my scenario, because all parties, including external partners, consent to everything we're up to. Nothing in the TOS involves policing personal lives in the manner you are describing anyway. If somebody's lying to the people in their lives, that's not on ZOS.

    The game itself features this stuff, so it's not tacky to ask if my content is really so different from the game itself. Stories of [snip] like Lamae Bal's and Molag's whole sphere, the whole Remanada issue, the origin of minotaurs, or Vivec's sermons.

    You also call it "a short time of entertainment," but this is 7 years of the same characters and narrative we've built here. Some of my characters' children would be in first grade if they were real. Nothing about my scenario is "short." It's a profound investment of both time and money, as a Plus subscriber who regularly spends for cosmetics for 2 accounts worth of characters.

    All I'm asking is for ZOS to stop toeing the line and give us a straight answer, because one breath is the TOS and the next is "we don't want to stifle the creativity of our community."

    [Edit for censor bypass]

    Well, when you talk about the game being an investment of time and money, now that I can understand hah. But still, people have a way of making things into something more than you intended, especially with the more people who get involved. I don't put anything past people doing anymore so like they said, please be careful and I hope you get your answer.
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 12 November 2024 21:04
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  • Nerouyn
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    Vulkunne wrote: »
    Then there is the dangerous element too. What if some kid lied, or some married person got involved in something like this... do you feel the need to carry out this kind of roll play knowing it could hurt some people? What if their parent or a husband wanted to talk to ZOS about it... I'm just saying. I mean... is this really worth it? Sometimes things meaning for a short audience have a way of getting around.

    Quite frankly, with something like this you're just asking for trouble, and I'd take this over discord and not chat in game. Its alot to risk for a short time of entertainment. This is just not the place for that.

    I don't ERP. Super the opposite.

    I've been sexually harassed outside of the game to the most extreme degree, and also haven't appreciated when others have attempted to ERP me in ESO. Cos like, I never get a break from it.

    After one player got much friendlier than I appreciated, I mostly stopped passing out invites to noobs to let them use my houses for crafting stations. Towns are good enough.

    But assuming it is all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then those players shouldn't have to worry or feel bad about what they're doing. Sex isn't evil. Whether Bethesda likes it or not, the moddability of the single player Elder Scrolls games has attracted a following of players who enjoy mixing gaming and sex.
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    @Vulkunne provided some good advice about contacting CS and asking for some guidance. I doubt they are interested in the details of your experiences with your two friends.

    As for getting a clear-cut answer, that will NEVER happen, as every situation is different, if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok. I expect people to have been erping in ESO for a long time. FYI, a dungeon is not a genuinely private instance, even though it seems to be one.
  • grievousGrimalkin
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    Amottica wrote: »
    [...] if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok.

    This is the problem, though, and what I am truly trying to get to the bottom of. People are reporting getting AI moderated for these private chats. (See further up in this thread)
    Edited by grievousGrimalkin on 12 November 2024 04:45
  • Vulkunne
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Vulkunne wrote: »
    Then there is the dangerous element too. What if some kid lied, or some married person got involved in something like this... do you feel the need to carry out this kind of roll play knowing it could hurt some people? What if their parent or a husband wanted to talk to ZOS about it... I'm just saying. I mean... is this really worth it? Sometimes things meaning for a short audience have a way of getting around.

    Quite frankly, with something like this you're just asking for trouble, and I'd take this over discord and not chat in game. Its alot to risk for a short time of entertainment. This is just not the place for that.

    I don't ERP. Super the opposite.

    I've been sexually harassed outside of the game to the most extreme degree, and also haven't appreciated when others have attempted to ERP me in ESO. Cos like, I never get a break from it.

    After one player got much friendlier than I appreciated, I mostly stopped passing out invites to noobs to let them use my houses for crafting stations. Towns are good enough.

    But assuming it is all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then those players shouldn't have to worry or feel bad about what they're doing. Sex isn't evil. Whether Bethesda likes it or not, the moddability of the single player Elder Scrolls games has attracted a following of players who enjoy mixing gaming and sex.

    Nuclear Physics is most def another mature subject. It can allow for 'clean energy' or it can be weaponized into something strong enough to destroy countries -if not- the entire planet itself.

    It's not the science that's bad, it's the reasons why people use it, and this is no different. For example, I saw a guy one time get caught cheating by his ex-girlfriend (not even married), he was out on his bicycle riding to get away from her, and so she almost ran him down with her car. He had to jump into this nasty, muddy, disgusting ditch to save his life. Was it his choice who he got intimate with, why sure. But it didn't make him right. And after all that he's stayed out of the ditch ever since and I don't wish to end up there myself.

    There are some things which we mean well, or we rationalize these things meaning well, but in practice they don't always end well.
    Edited by Vulkunne on 12 November 2024 04:46
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  • Nerouyn
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    Vulkunne wrote: »
    There are some things which we mean well, or we rationalize these things meaning well, but in practice they don't always end well.

    Thank you for grossly misrepresenting me. That never gets old.

    To repeat myself, as long as it's all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then it's ok.

    In your example scenario sex isn't the problem. It's dishonesty / disloyalty.

    If two consenting adults agree to have a mutually exclusive sexual / romantic relationship, and that being the norm in our culture then it's generally assumed to be that way, and one party violates that agreement, then that's obviously wrong.

    ERP'ers are a completely different matter and shouldn't be made to feel ashamed by you or anyone else because of their entirely harmless actions.

    Again, to repeat myself, I am super not an ERP'er. I've been subjected to more unwelcome sexual attention than you could imagine. But innocent ERP'ers don't deserve hate.

    If they take "no" for an answer, and are respectful and considerate in how they broach the topic with players they don't know, or simply don't do that at all, then I have no issue with what they do and legally speaking they should be on relatively safe ground.
    Edited by Nerouyn on 12 November 2024 05:06
  • Sleepsin
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    AI is recording and flagging all chat channels, there are NO private in-game chat channels. What is really bothersome, I see gold sellers advertising in zone chat selling their gold and crowns on a 3rd party website everyday. How is it AI can catch 2 people talking to each other in whispers, yet they can't do anything about the gold sellers.
    Edited by Sleepsin on 12 November 2024 05:19
  • Orbital78
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    At this point your best bet is to use 3rd party communications, I personally use a controller so I minimize ingame chat and barely use it. I would totally disable it if I could as I use offline mode 90% of the time. If someone wants to talk to me, they can use discord.
    Edited by Orbital78 on 12 November 2024 06:22
  • Nerouyn
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    Sleepsin wrote: »
    AI is recording and flagging all chat channels, there are NO private in-game chat channels. What is really bothersome, I see gold sellers advertising in zone chat selling their gold and crowns on a 3rd party website everyday. How is it AI can catch 2 people talking to each other in whispers, yet they can't do anything about the gold sellers.

    The answer to that question is easy and obvious.

    Real people have invested a lot of time and potentially precious money in real accounts.

    Gold sellers can buy accounts very cheaply. The cheapest I've seen them go on sale for is about $2 USD. Even if ZO manage to catch them and ban the account, they can just buy another and easily level them to max in less than a day and get right back to business.
  • colossalvoids
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    It's definitely something to pass on to @ZOS_Kevin for a definitive answer from the legal team or some other place.

    As far as I see it myself there's definitely no space for an actual private conversations to be held in-game so external tool would be the most desirable way of communication.
  • MJallday
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    100% yes. youve answered your own question

    Section 8 for Rules of Conduct indicate that we should not "Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, [...] that is [...] sexually explicit."

    end of discussion.
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    They should dump the AI monitoring in the trash.
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  • Syldras
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    As I'm not a ZOS employee, I can't give a safe answer to the question of course, but let me put it like this: I very much doubt that a moderation system that goes by a simple word filter is capable in understanding the difference between roleplay and real world conversation and between consent and lack of consent. It just filters by words. So If you use a word from the ban list, then it reacts. Considering that the TOS forbid sexual content, and based on a few ban cases I've read about in another thread here, it's highly probable that conversation using sexual terms (no matter in which context) will trigger the filter. But the definitive answer can only given by ZOS, of course.
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    Amottica wrote: »
    @Vulkunne provided some good advice about contacting CS and asking for some guidance. I doubt they are interested in the details of your experiences with your two friends.

    As for getting a clear-cut answer, that will NEVER happen, as every situation is different, if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok. I expect people to have been erping in ESO for a long time. FYI, a dungeon is not a genuinely private instance, even though it seems to be one.

    Just keep in mind that there is no truly private area and no truly private conversation anywhere in the Elder Scrolls Online eco-system. Not in the game, not on the forum, not with CS. There is the illusion of privacy, but I would never depend on it being truly private.
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  • ComboBreaker88
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    ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game. How many adults could be preying on kids under the guise of ERP? Too many. Also, that's just weird man. It's a video game. If you're turning the game into a kink, you should be banned.
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    ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game.

    The ERP topic aside, I'm not sure if children should play a game that, among other things, is mainly about killing people and other creatures, that lets you join a murder cult and enables brutal assassination animations after that, and that includes beings like Molag Bal with all his background lore.
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    ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game. How many adults could be preying on kids under the guise of ERP? Too many. Also, that's just weird man. It's a video game. If you're turning the game into a kink, you should be banned.

    This game is rated M in most regions. If a parent lets their child play a game that they are definitely not old enough for, that responsibility lies with the parent.

    This game may feel too tame for the M rating, but if you actually pay attention to the environmental storytelling, there's a lot of messed up and really macabre stuff going on.
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  • Orbital78
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    ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game. How many adults could be preying on kids under the guise of ERP? Too many. Also, that's just weird man. It's a video game. If you're turning the game into a kink, you should be banned.

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    Sounds like a parenting issue if they allow them to play this sort of game unsupervised. I'm not defending ERP, but just saying.
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Vulkunne wrote: »
    There are some things which we mean well, or we rationalize these things meaning well, but in practice they don't always end well.

    Thank you for grossly misrepresenting me. That never gets old.

    To repeat myself, as long as it's all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then it's ok.

    In your example scenario sex isn't the problem. It's dishonesty / disloyalty.

    If two consenting adults agree to have a mutually exclusive sexual / romantic relationship, and that being the norm in our culture then it's generally assumed to be that way, and one party violates that agreement, then that's obviously wrong.

    ERP'ers are a completely different matter and shouldn't be made to feel ashamed by you or anyone else because of their entirely harmless actions.

    Again, to repeat myself, I am super not an ERP'er. I've been subjected to more unwelcome sexual attention than you could imagine. But innocent ERP'ers don't deserve hate.

    If they take "no" for an answer, and are respectful and considerate in how they broach the topic with players they don't know, or simply don't do that at all, then I have no issue with what they do and legally speaking they should be on relatively safe ground.

    To be clear I do not represent you or anyone else here. Said that earlier in fact. The intention was/is never to represent anyone else here or the things you think, you represent those not me. So, there is no misrepresentation. I also am not responsible for what other people think or feel about matters. The truth is not always a welcome thing.

    The problem is I do not (totally) share your opinion although you are most welcome to be yourself and say what you will. Its ok not to agree which I don't and if this were my server I would not want anything of this sort going on there because ultimately, regardless of intentions or opinions, I've seen too many cases taken to court where ultimately the server owner is responsible for its content, especially if they knew about activity beforehand. This includes mine and other users' moral dilemmas that we may have with this and enabling something that a) is not intended for the business (conflict of interest even) and b) could create something dangerous to harm others, even if it's not intended but when the damage is done, it's too late to simply say, "I'm sorry". Its too late to say, "well uh... Vulkunne said it was alright..." Because what happens then? It sets a precedent, and everything becomes 'alright'.

    See that's the problem with anything like this, even if there's a grey area where this might be permissible it requires another party to go along with the entire thing whether they want to or not, accepting any risk involved unnecessarily to them. That goes for many other things as well and if you want to have things go well for you, need to set some boundaries, even if some can't entertain themselves in every way they desire. Your business, your faith/opinion/beliefs/peace of mind, everything you worked for, is more important than a few people who aren't thinking about any of that and are just trying to compromise in ways they know are probably wrong and won't take responsibility if a parent of someone hits that company with an accusation. Whether it's settled in/out of court, a great amount of reputational damage could be done, especially with chat logs to prove it happened and those that show there was a pattern of this happening. So, with that said, at the end of the day they'll be long gone and move on to somewhere else to do their thing over there. But the owner will be the one getting hurt and will have to pay for their 'good time' in the end.

    I'll just leave it at that, I recognize that there are those who don't agree but speaking for me only I'm not sorry for what I think about this.
    Edited by Vulkunne on 12 November 2024 18:08
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  • Amottica
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    Amottica wrote: »
    [...] if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok.

    This is the problem, though, and what I am truly trying to get to the bottom of. People are reporting getting AI moderated for these private chats. (See further up in this thread)

    Only part of my comment was quoted here. In my full post I note an area that some may think they are having a private chat, but it is not considered a private area.

    In the part of my quoted post, I make clear about a truly private chat. So reports of being moderated in a private chat without full context on what they had considered private is not meaningful.

    BTW, it is not expected that someone will read every post by every person in a thread regardless of how long or short the thread is. So maybe include a quote of what is being referred to next time.



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    Orbital78 wrote: »
    At this point your best bet is to use 3rd party communications, I personally use a controller so I minimize ingame chat and barely use it. I would totally disable it if I could as I use offline mode 90% of the time. If someone wants to talk to me, they can use discord.
    Yes discord tend to be required for organized groups and is so much more fun even just messing around.
    Typing is slow and you don't care if your discount account get banned who I assume takes some skill?
    I have one group of ESO friends who don't want to use discord even then doing new vet dlc dungeons for unknown reasons.


    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • KromedeTheCorrupt
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    Talk about being more and more out of touch with your own community zos. I don’t RP cause I find it a waste of time but that’s just me. But why add such nonsense to a game that didn’t need it in the first place. Also why are gold sellers not being banned is that zos alt employees accounts or something ?
    Edited by KromedeTheCorrupt on 12 November 2024 19:06
  • Nerouyn
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    Vulkunne wrote: »
    To be clear I do not represent you or anyone else here.

    You have done that consistently.

    Sex isn't evil.

    Sometimes people do things related to sex which are, like not taking no for an answer. That's evil.

    Sex doesn't become evil by association.

    If it did, then by virtue of the fact that eg. sometimes people steal money, money is fundamentally evil and so is anyone who has any.

    See how silly that is?

    Consensual, adult ERP shouldn't be made to feel guilty by you or anyone else.

    And to repeat myself for clarity, I'm super not one of them. I have been harassed for sex to extremes few would have experienced and don't want be bothered for sex in games either. But people doing that innocently don't deserve hate.
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    Talk about being more and more out of touch with your own community zos. I don’t RP cause I find it a waste of time but that’s just me. But why add such nonsense to a game that didn’t need it in the first place. Also why are gold sellers not being banned is that zos alt employees accounts or something ?

    And those who have been subject to the abusive and childish nonsense that a small number of players decide to spew to harass others would disagree on the benefit of such things. What probably needs to be defined is what a private instance is. /say in a dungeon, even if only those in the group, who are all willing participants, are in the dungeon, are still talking openly in a place that is not private.
  • grievousGrimalkin
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    Amottica wrote: »
    Talk about being more and more out of touch with your own community zos. I don’t RP cause I find it a waste of time but that’s just me. But why add such nonsense to a game that didn’t need it in the first place. Also why are gold sellers not being banned is that zos alt employees accounts or something ?

    And those who have been subject to the abusive and childish nonsense that a small number of players decide to spew to harass others would disagree on the benefit of such things. What probably needs to be defined is what a private instance is. /say in a dungeon, even if only those in the group, who are all willing participants, are in the dungeon, are still talking openly in a place that is not private.

    The scenario I am asking about specifically doesn't cover the harassment you've mentioned twice. I am specifically discussing consensual RP between adults in a group chat or other scenario where the only people who have access to the chat contents (besides ZOS) are the willing participants. Nobody can stumble in, nobody can accidentally read something they didn't agree to. If somebody is harassed or feels such, that is not the scenario presented in my post, and I whole-heartedly encourage them to report the behavior.

    My question, for @ZOS_Kevin or anyone else from staff, is specifically "does NSFW role play result in disciplinary action IF the content is only going to consenting parties?"

    Additionally, given questions about doing it elsewhere, personally we like the flow of the in-game chat. We like being able to see our characters in the world as we go. We like to use the cosmetics we've bought with heaps of real world money to make characters we like to look at. We'd get timed out if we just put our characters places and typed away in Discord or a Google Doc, so why would we even bother paying what we do to ESO at all?
    Edited by grievousGrimalkin on 12 November 2024 20:22
  • Vulkunne
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Vulkunne wrote: »
    To be clear I do not represent you or anyone else here.

    You have done that consistently.

    Sex isn't evil.

    Sometimes people do things related to sex which are, like not taking no for an answer. That's evil.

    Sex doesn't become evil by association.

    If it did, then by virtue of the fact that eg. sometimes people steal money, money is fundamentally evil and so is anyone who has any.

    See how silly that is?

    Consensual, adult ERP shouldn't be made to feel guilty by you or anyone else.

    And to repeat myself for clarity, I'm super not one of them. I have been harassed for sex to extremes few would have experienced and don't want be bothered for sex in games either. But people doing that innocently don't deserve hate.

    Some people just don't understand what the word 'no' means. It doesn't mean 'do it anyway', it doesn't mean 'you hurt my feelings therefore I will do this or that because I think it's right', if doesn't mean 'I need to explain why I'm telling you no', it doesn't mean 'Vulkunne said one thing with crystal clarity so now we'll just gaslight him anyways and keep saying what he said he didn't say'.

    No means no, regardless of whatever someone else thinks. Add to that, lets say I'm a Vendor and someone (anyone), not that they can't but they won't accept my stance/policy/feelings on not just this but any other matter, then why would I want them on my server to begin with?

    So once again, No.
    Edited by Vulkunne on 12 November 2024 20:35
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