grievousGrimalkin wrote: »@Vulkunne, I've been RPing with the same 2 people for the duration, and they've been the only "partners" in this. You don't need the details of our lives, but basically all your concerns about maturity and truth are unnecessary in my scenario, because all parties, including external partners, consent to everything we're up to. Nothing in the TOS involves policing personal lives in the manner you are describing anyway. If somebody's lying to the people in their lives, that's not on ZOS.
The game itself features this stuff, so it's not tacky to ask if my content is really so different from the game itself. Stories of [snip] like Lamae Bal's and Molag's whole sphere, the whole Remanada issue, the origin of minotaurs, or Vivec's sermons.
You also call it "a short time of entertainment," but this is 7 years of the same characters and narrative we've built here. Some of my characters' children would be in first grade if they were real. Nothing about my scenario is "short." It's a profound investment of both time and money, as a Plus subscriber who regularly spends for cosmetics for 2 accounts worth of characters.
All I'm asking is for ZOS to stop toeing the line and give us a straight answer, because one breath is the TOS and the next is "we don't want to stifle the creativity of our community."
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Then there is the dangerous element too. What if some kid lied, or some married person got involved in something like this... do you feel the need to carry out this kind of roll play knowing it could hurt some people? What if their parent or a husband wanted to talk to ZOS about it... I'm just saying. I mean... is this really worth it? Sometimes things meaning for a short audience have a way of getting around.
Quite frankly, with something like this you're just asking for trouble, and I'd take this over discord and not chat in game. Its alot to risk for a short time of entertainment. This is just not the place for that.
[...] if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok.
Then there is the dangerous element too. What if some kid lied, or some married person got involved in something like this... do you feel the need to carry out this kind of roll play knowing it could hurt some people? What if their parent or a husband wanted to talk to ZOS about it... I'm just saying. I mean... is this really worth it? Sometimes things meaning for a short audience have a way of getting around.
Quite frankly, with something like this you're just asking for trouble, and I'd take this over discord and not chat in game. Its alot to risk for a short time of entertainment. This is just not the place for that.
I don't ERP. Super the opposite.
I've been sexually harassed outside of the game to the most extreme degree, and also haven't appreciated when others have attempted to ERP me in ESO. Cos like, I never get a break from it.
After one player got much friendlier than I appreciated, I mostly stopped passing out invites to noobs to let them use my houses for crafting stations. Towns are good enough.
But assuming it is all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then those players shouldn't have to worry or feel bad about what they're doing. Sex isn't evil. Whether Bethesda likes it or not, the moddability of the single player Elder Scrolls games has attracted a following of players who enjoy mixing gaming and sex.
There are some things which we mean well, or we rationalize these things meaning well, but in practice they don't always end well.
AI is recording and flagging all chat channels, there are NO private in-game chat channels. What is really bothersome, I see gold sellers advertising in zone chat selling their gold and crowns on a 3rd party website everyday. How is it AI can catch 2 people talking to each other in whispers, yet they can't do anything about the gold sellers.
@Vulkunne provided some good advice about contacting CS and asking for some guidance. I doubt they are interested in the details of your experiences with your two friends.
As for getting a clear-cut answer, that will NEVER happen, as every situation is different, if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok. I expect people to have been erping in ESO for a long time. FYI, a dungeon is not a genuinely private instance, even though it seems to be one.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game. How many adults could be preying on kids under the guise of ERP? Too many. Also, that's just weird man. It's a video game. If you're turning the game into a kink, you should be banned.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »ERP should be banned as there are children playing this game. How many adults could be preying on kids under the guise of ERP? Too many. Also, that's just weird man. It's a video game. If you're turning the game into a kink, you should be banned.
There are some things which we mean well, or we rationalize these things meaning well, but in practice they don't always end well.
Thank you for grossly misrepresenting me. That never gets old.
To repeat myself, as long as it's all above board - consensual, adult etc. - then it's ok.
In your example scenario sex isn't the problem. It's dishonesty / disloyalty.
If two consenting adults agree to have a mutually exclusive sexual / romantic relationship, and that being the norm in our culture then it's generally assumed to be that way, and one party violates that agreement, then that's obviously wrong.
ERP'ers are a completely different matter and shouldn't be made to feel ashamed by you or anyone else because of their entirely harmless actions.
Again, to repeat myself, I am super not an ERP'er. I've been subjected to more unwelcome sexual attention than you could imagine. But innocent ERP'ers don't deserve hate.
If they take "no" for an answer, and are respectful and considerate in how they broach the topic with players they don't know, or simply don't do that at all, then I have no issue with what they do and legally speaking they should be on relatively safe ground.
grievousGrimalkin wrote: »[...] if you are in a truly private area and having a truly private conversation that no person who can see the conversation will object to, then there is a good chance you will be ok.
This is the problem, though, and what I am truly trying to get to the bottom of. People are reporting getting AI moderated for these private chats. (See further up in this thread)
Yes discord tend to be required for organized groups and is so much more fun even just messing around.At this point your best bet is to use 3rd party communications, I personally use a controller so I minimize ingame chat and barely use it. I would totally disable it if I could as I use offline mode 90% of the time. If someone wants to talk to me, they can use discord.
To be clear I do not represent you or anyone else here.
KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »Talk about being more and more out of touch with your own community zos. I don’t RP cause I find it a waste of time but that’s just me. But why add such nonsense to a game that didn’t need it in the first place. Also why are gold sellers not being banned is that zos alt employees accounts or something ?
KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »Talk about being more and more out of touch with your own community zos. I don’t RP cause I find it a waste of time but that’s just me. But why add such nonsense to a game that didn’t need it in the first place. Also why are gold sellers not being banned is that zos alt employees accounts or something ?
And those who have been subject to the abusive and childish nonsense that a small number of players decide to spew to harass others would disagree on the benefit of such things. What probably needs to be defined is what a private instance is. /say in a dungeon, even if only those in the group, who are all willing participants, are in the dungeon, are still talking openly in a place that is not private.
To be clear I do not represent you or anyone else here.
You have done that consistently.
Sex isn't evil.
Sometimes people do things related to sex which are, like not taking no for an answer. That's evil.
Sex doesn't become evil by association.
If it did, then by virtue of the fact that eg. sometimes people steal money, money is fundamentally evil and so is anyone who has any.
See how silly that is?
Consensual, adult ERP shouldn't be made to feel guilty by you or anyone else.
And to repeat myself for clarity, I'm super not one of them. I have been harassed for sex to extremes few would have experienced and don't want be bothered for sex in games either. But people doing that innocently don't deserve hate.