[BG] 8v8 should be the default queue.

kiwi_tea

Hi ZOS,

I'm genuinely enjoying the new 8v8 battlegrounds. I would really love the 4v4 too, but they're so heavily populated with players running non-competitive builds with less than 20k hit points, which for PVP in 2024 is beyond "squishy". I believe the reason there is a huge influx of non-competitive players in the 4v4 queue is simply because it is the default queue. Please make 8v8 the default queue, then these non-competitive players have a sliver of a chance to survive, and they don't mess up the competitive queue play by watering down the number of genuinely competitive teams we can form.

The other day I had a run of 6/8 matches where at least 2 of my teammates had less than 18k hit points, and in two of those, I was the only team member with more than 20k hit points (I run around 30k, and even at that HP threshold what I run is still a squishy, high damage build). Nobody who seriously wants to play competitive queue would come in to 4v4 running those numbers. Power creep means 22k - let alone 16k - builds are unthinkable nowadays. Let these players join 8v8, where they can more comfortably farm for carries, learn to PVP, and be supporter by a larger number of teammates. Please make 8v8 the default queue, nobody will mind an extra menu click to avoid the current situation where 4v4 is populated overwhelmingly by non-competitive players.

Thanks for your consideration,

kiwi_tea

xylena_lazarow

8v8 solo casual is ironically a lot more competitive than 4v4 solo ranked. You can carry 1-2 bad players in an 8v8 but if that happens in a 4v4 the match is a trash fire, and will give those new players a bad impression of PvP.

kiwi_tea

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

8v8 solo casual is ironically a lot more competitive than 4v4 solo ranked. You can carry 1-2 bad players in an 8v8 but if that happens in a 4v4 the match is a trash fire, and will give those new players a bad impression of PvP.

But I think that's also a symptom of the queue priority. A lot of people who PVP regularly are queuing into 8v8 not just because carrying is much easier there, but also because 4v4 is just overwhelmingly full of unprepared people fishing for a carry.

MATH_COW

We also got the issue of the selection being reset for no reason.

After I finished a 8v8 game I directly queued for another battleground without checking and ended in a 4v4 because the game resetted the menu and make me queueing for a 4v4...

kiwi_tea

MATH_COW wrote: »

We also got the issue of the selection being reset for no reason.

After I finished a 8v8 game I directly queued for another battleground without checking and ended in a 4v4 because the game resetted the menu and make me queueing for a 4v4...

Yeah, that's very annoying nonsense. I've had that happen also, which I don't mind cos I'm fine in 4v4, but I hate to think of inexperienced players accidentally ending up in 4v4.

darvaria

Yeah really. I've bailed on countless numbers of 4v4 by mistake queue. I just bail when I see it's 4v4 or wait a few minutes and see if it's a bad team and multi task some other things irl. Sometimes the other team wins so fast, it's shorter than the 30 minute deserter penalty. You will be queued as 8v8 and it switches to the 4v4.