Lead drop rate for last ayleid king ---<snip>

seventy_kg

The lead drop rate for the torc of the last ayleid king mythic is horribly low and an awful design. <snip>
But I still have to say, after 2 whole weeks and about 100 runs in the infinite archive, it's more evident than ever that this is an awful design.
I still only have 3 leads for this mythic after spending 3 hours every day in the archive for 2 weeks, partly because there are so many other leads that drop here, and the drop rate is so low that it's becoming an almost impossible grind.
A little grind is fine, but a grind with such rng is not. There is not a pity system in this game, and it becomes extremely frustrating when you don't get a single lead 20 chests in a row. Please keep in mind that this is bonus chests and arc boss chests only, which means you get an average of 2 chances to get a lead every arc, and ive done more than 100 runs, probably 200-300 arcs and only got 3 leads?
So many of my friends straight up don't even want to spend time farming this, and I'm only attempting to get it to try out a build. This mythic is single handedly causing me to burn out in this game. I have probably spent more time on this one mythic than all the previous mythics ive farmed combined and more.
This needs a fix. Not trying to bash, this is a seriously awful design. 30 leads in the same drop location with an incredibly low drop rate, is the opposite of fun.

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milkiie

I agree, the drop rate for this is way too low. It turns the grind into pure frustration, especially without a pity system. No mythic should take this much effort and lead to burnout. This needs a fix.

DenverRalphy

How far into IA are you farming?

If you're just farming Arc 1, then you'll rarely ever get anything. Arc 2 not much better but some results. Arc 3 is where it becomes more consistent.

seventy_kg

DenverRalphy wrote: »

How far into IA are you farming?

If you're just farming Arc 1, then you'll rarely ever get anything. Arc 2 not much better. Arc 3 is where it becomes consistent.

ive been told different things about this. some people are saying reset after the first marauder, deltia says reset after arc 2 boss because drop rate is not better, so im not sure. i did do a few runs where i went to arc 4, got nothing tho.

Aurielle

DenverRalphy wrote: »

How far into IA are you farming?

If you're just farming Arc 1, then you'll rarely ever get anything. Arc 2 not much better but some results. Arc 3 is where it becomes more consistent.

Except I got all the leads in one week while farming Arc 1. Didn’t even do any of the side portals.

OP, have you tried farming on a different character? I’ve noticed that one of my characters mysteriously has consistent good luck with leads compared to my main.

seventy_kg

Aurielle wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

How far into IA are you farming?

If you're just farming Arc 1, then you'll rarely ever get anything. Arc 2 not much better but some results. Arc 3 is where it becomes more consistent.

Except I got all the leads in one week while farming Arc 1. Didn’t even do any of the side portals.

OP, have you tried farming on a different character? I’ve noticed that one of my characters mysteriously has consistent good luck with leads compared to my main.

your luck makes me want to cry...yeah i switch between maybe 4 or 5 characters, maybe one of them was luckier but im not sure, havent been keeping track

Mathius_Mordred

LOL When I saw where it dropped from this mythic went straight onto my ignore list. After gaming for 50 years, I recognise a massive grind for a minor advantage when I see it. Always research each item you want to see where it comes from, the likely grind, and the final advantage for your build.

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained. Nope, unless it drops during normal gameplay or the grind is minor I don't bother with mythics. Other than Oakensoul none of them are much better than a monster set anyway, just a few % points and you almost always lose the cool 2 piece effects because you have to lose the monster set.

TL/DR Mythics are generally overhyped and certainly not worth that kind of grind.

seventy_kg

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

LOL When I saw where it dropped from this mythic went straight onto my ignore list. After gaming for 50 years, I recognise a massive grind for a minor advantage when I see it. Always research each item you want to see where it comes from, the likely grind, and the final advantage for your build.

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained. Nope, unless it drops during normal gameplay or the grind is minor I don't bother with mythics. Other than Oakensoul none of them are much better than a monster set anyway, just a few % points and you almost always lose the cool 2 piece effects because you have to lose the monster set.

TL/DR Mythics are generally overhyped and certainly not worth that kind of grind.

well in pvp mythics are certainly worth it. never did i imagine spending this much on a mythic, it's actually mentally exhausting. all the other mythics ive farmed before usually took me less than 3 days.

freespirit

I swear the game knows you are trying to get something!!

I got all the leads without even looking for them just doing Arc 1 daily and no side rooms.

However I still have codex entries incomplere for furnishings from Antiquities release and I have tried a lot to get them!

Ugrak

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained.

Yeah the torc of the last ayleid king is mostly convenience for the lazy buildcrafter. Just slap on any desired combination of armor pieces and the mythic delivers the set bonuses.

Crafting the 12-piece shattered fate set does pretty much the same thing, and at a similar opportunity cost. I made it in medium for my stamina arcanist. With the torc, I might go with light armor's passives instead.

I was lucky with the lead drops though, so the torc came easily just from doing quick daily runs for a while.

Some other great options for the lazy are twice born star, heartland conqueror and torug's pact. As they all allow quite a bit of customization of the final set bonuses. And with two 5-piece sets there is still room for a mythic, monster set or arena weapon.

seventy_kg

Ugrak wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained.

Yeah the torc of the last ayleid king is mostly convenience for the lazy buildcrafter. Just slap on any desired combination of armor pieces and the mythic delivers the set bonuses.

Crafting the 12-piece shattered fate set does pretty much the same thing, and at a similar opportunity cost. I made it in medium for my stamina arcanist. With the torc, I might go with light armor's passives instead.

I was lucky with the lead drops though, so the torc came easily just from doing quick daily runs for a while.

Some other great options for the lazy are twice born star, heartland conqueror and torug's pact. As they all allow quite a bit of customization of the final set bonuses. And with two 5-piece sets there is still room for a mythic, monster set or arena weapon.

well no, the 15% unique dmg mitigation is the biggest source of damage mitigation you can have in the game, and that's what makes it potentially good in pvp. especially after vamp nerf.

Aurielle

Ugrak wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained.

Yeah the torc of the last ayleid king is mostly convenience for the lazy buildcrafter. Just slap on any desired combination of armor pieces and the mythic delivers the set bonuses.

Crafting the 12-piece shattered fate set does pretty much the same thing, and at a similar opportunity cost. I made it in medium for my stamina arcanist. With the torc, I might go with light armor's passives instead.

I was lucky with the lead drops though, so the torc came easily just from doing quick daily runs for a while.

Some other great options for the lazy are twice born star, heartland conqueror and torug's pact. As they all allow quite a bit of customization of the final set bonuses. And with two 5-piece sets there is still room for a mythic, monster set or arena weapon.

Actually, Torc is pretty good on classes that benefit from stat-based builds. I can’t get the same stats or performance on my Templar with other stat-based sets, plus there’s the 15% reduced incoming damage, which is nice.

On most classes though, I agree, it’s pretty mediocre.

Mathius_Mordred

seventy_kg wrote: »

Ugrak wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

9 times out of 10 there is something similar that will be almost as good for maybe a 1% difference in stats and that item is easily obtained.

Yeah the torc of the last ayleid king is mostly convenience for the lazy buildcrafter. Just slap on any desired combination of armor pieces and the mythic delivers the set bonuses.

Crafting the 12-piece shattered fate set does pretty much the same thing, and at a similar opportunity cost. I made it in medium for my stamina arcanist. With the torc, I might go with light armor's passives instead.

I was lucky with the lead drops though, so the torc came easily just from doing quick daily runs for a while.

Some other great options for the lazy are twice born star, heartland conqueror and torug's pact. As they all allow quite a bit of customization of the final set bonuses. And with two 5-piece sets there is still room for a mythic, monster set or arena weapon.

well no, the 15% unique dmg mitigation is the biggest source of damage mitigation you can have in the game, and that's what makes it potentially good in pvp. especially after vamp nerf.

Yeah but it's only 8% better than footmans or other sets, and in fact healing is what's really important, on my DK I can drop to almost dead and hit coagulating blood and Vigour and get 30K health boost. Like I say, if it drops it may be worth using, but spending your precious life grinding for something that gives a small percentage better stat is just nuts.

katanagirl1

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Pevey

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but don't dig up the other antiquities from the leads that drop in IA if you are farming a specific one. Having them available to scry seems to take them out of the pool, making the chances higher for the one you still need. Of course, this may be wrong because I don't think the details of how it works have ever been shared. But anecdotally, it seems to work for me.

wolfie1.0.

I spent about 10 to 12 hours a week for 8 months doing ruins of mazz for the lead.

I feel your pain op. Don't farm content for leads that path leads to ruin.

Also, ZOS please just make leads tradeable. Give us something to sell that people will want as time savers. Or increase drop rates.

Thank you.

Pelanora

Create a log of attempts so after some number of attempts, the drop is guaranteed.

tsaescishoeshiner

I think the lead droprate is fine—plenty of people got it the first week or two, like me. I think the issue is how it's possible to be super unlucky without being able to buy the lead. No pseudo-rng (as far as we know), no way to buy it (without also getting lucky and having it be at the vendor).

Next patch, they're adding leads to an IC vendor, so there will at least be a second source.

oldbobdude

Pevey wrote: »

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but don't dig up the other antiquities from the leads that drop in IA if you are farming a specific one. Having them available to scry seems to take them out of the pool, making the chances higher for the one you still need. Of course, this may be wrong because I don't think the details of how it works have ever been shared. But anecdotally, it seems to work for me.

For me it seems that when I have 4 or 5 of the “gold” leads that I haven’t dug up the leads just stop dropping until I do dig them up. I do already have multiples of each item. Kind of sucks that they are bound.

Al_Ex_Andre

katanagirl1 wrote: »

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Hi!
As I see it, you can only run arc 1 now? I dunno if your bastian is your tank (or a support dps? a healer?), because you really need a tank (way better a tank player, but a tank follower can do) to run more easily IA. Once I changed my follower to a tank months ago (I only run IA solo w/follower), and kept my few ranged tricks (I am a templar), it was day and night, I could get to the second thoat and kill him way more easily (without wearing a IA gear and skills set up, which I have refused to do until now).
Always first kill the little mobs the soon they appear with range they don't have many hp (way harder in melee due to the crap you need to not stay near to), then hit when you can and kill the first big boss then the second. If you simply prioritize that, it is just a question of time to be successfull. Sometimes the little mobs pop where you don't want to. So gl too.:)

As for the topic at hand, I got the so called torc, and I got it two times even, very soon after ZOS implemented it.
Luck? I dunno, maybie they made the leads drop more often at this time, because the torc was the novelty. I think they really did that. I don't trust luck.
Now they added other leads to get, after that. And I think this, screwed the drop rate of the leads of the torc. If true, they need to acknowledge that, and fix. My 2 cents.

katanagirl1

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Hi!
As I see it, you can only run arc 1 now? I dunno if your bastian is your tank (or a support dps? a healer?), because you really need a tank (way better a tank player, but a tank follower can do) to run more easily IA. Once I changed my follower to a tank months ago (I only run IA solo w/follower), and kept my few ranged tricks (I am a templar), it was day and night, I could get to the second thoat and kill him way more easily (without wearing a IA gear and skills set up, which I have refused to do until now).
Always first kill the little mobs the soon they appear with range they don't have many hp (way harder in melee due to the crap you need to not stay near to), then hit when you can and kill the first big boss then the second. If you simply prioritize that, it is just a question of time to be successfull. Sometimes the little mobs pop where you don't want to. So gl too.:)

As for the topic at hand, I got the so called torc, and I got it two times even, very soon after ZOS implemented it.
Luck? I dunno, maybie they made the leads drop more often at this time, because the torc was the novelty. I think they really did that. I don't trust luck.
Now they added other leads to get, after that. And I think this, screwed the drop rate of the leads of the torc. If true, they need to acknowledge that, and fix. My 2 cents.

I have run two arcs with the hubby a few times but got no more leads from doing that.

I do one arc for time reasons and because I want to do other game content as well.

angst

it's not often i agree with what people say on forums (cause it's always whining about insignificant nonsense or skill issues) but this is actually valid

heaven13

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Hi!
As I see it, you can only run arc 1 now? I dunno if your bastian is your tank (or a support dps? a healer?), because you really need a tank (way better a tank player, but a tank follower can do) to run more easily IA. Once I changed my follower to a tank months ago (I only run IA solo w/follower), and kept my few ranged tricks (I am a templar), it was day and night, I could get to the second thoat and kill him way more easily (without wearing a IA gear and skills set up, which I have refused to do until now).
Always first kill the little mobs the soon they appear with range they don't have many hp (way harder in melee due to the crap you need to not stay near to), then hit when you can and kill the first big boss then the second. If you simply prioritize that, it is just a question of time to be successfull. Sometimes the little mobs pop where you don't want to. So gl too.:)

As for the topic at hand, I got the so called torc, and I got it two times even, very soon after ZOS implemented it.
Luck? I dunno, maybie they made the leads drop more often at this time, because the torc was the novelty. I think they really did that. I don't trust luck.
Now they added other leads to get, after that. And I think this, screwed the drop rate of the leads of the torc. If true, they need to acknowledge that, and fix. My 2 cents.

I have run two arcs with the hubby a few times but got no more leads from doing that.

I do one arc for time reasons and because I want to do other game content as well.

Yeah, I *can* get through arc 3 solo, but sometimes I want to do other things. My partner hates IA so I can only get him in there for the first arc/daily sometimes. I'd offer to run with you to speed it up, but I see we play on separate platforms. I'm missing a ton of leads from there that I've never dug out (including some for this mythic).

Carcamongus

The leads appear to drop more generously for your first item, so I got my first torc and jewelry table within a week of starting to farm them. I'm trying to complete a second jewelry station and it's a pain in the posterior.

What I did notice is that RNGeesus appears to "favor" certain drops depending on the day. So, on some days you get more leads, or style pages, or those fragments for achievements (even, annoyingly, if you've already completed them). I've gotten leads in arc 1, so you don't have to go far for them to start dropping. Of course, playing more increases the opportunities for getting drops, but I see no indication, for example, that it's better to go all the way to arc 4 instead of going twice to arc 2.

On a last note, RNGeesus seems to know when you don't want something, because I was able to complete a second torc so my arcanist can research triune and the leads for the third started dropping recently despite my looking for jewelry table parts and ribcages.

katanagirl1

heaven13 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Hi!
As I see it, you can only run arc 1 now? I dunno if your bastian is your tank (or a support dps? a healer?), because you really need a tank (way better a tank player, but a tank follower can do) to run more easily IA. Once I changed my follower to a tank months ago (I only run IA solo w/follower), and kept my few ranged tricks (I am a templar), it was day and night, I could get to the second thoat and kill him way more easily (without wearing a IA gear and skills set up, which I have refused to do until now).
Always first kill the little mobs the soon they appear with range they don't have many hp (way harder in melee due to the crap you need to not stay near to), then hit when you can and kill the first big boss then the second. If you simply prioritize that, it is just a question of time to be successfull. Sometimes the little mobs pop where you don't want to. So gl too.:)

As for the topic at hand, I got the so called torc, and I got it two times even, very soon after ZOS implemented it.
Luck? I dunno, maybie they made the leads drop more often at this time, because the torc was the novelty. I think they really did that. I don't trust luck.
Now they added other leads to get, after that. And I think this, screwed the drop rate of the leads of the torc. If true, they need to acknowledge that, and fix. My 2 cents.

I have run two arcs with the hubby a few times but got no more leads from doing that.

I do one arc for time reasons and because I want to do other game content as well.

Yeah, I *can* get through arc 3 solo, but sometimes I want to do other things. My partner hates IA so I can only get him in there for the first arc/daily sometimes. I'd offer to run with you to speed it up, but I see we play on separate platforms. I'm missing a ton of leads from there that I've never dug out (including some for this mythic).

Nice of you to offer but yeah, I have time constraints and my hand gets cramped from long periods of play anyway.

I still go back to my original statement about the IA being sold as something that all players can do at least one arc and the daily designed around that. Now we have another daily that can’t be done in one arc, maybe both versions of the new daily quest. I can’t recall details but I thought the new daily had to be the marauder one before you got the other one. It’s sort of unfair to require going that deep into the content with a lot of it still in a buggy mess as well. If you get a bugged boss then you have to restart and that adds to the time and effort significantly.

I suppose I should just stop posting about these concerns because there doesn’t seem to be many other players who feel the same way. I admit the more times goes on, the less I start caring myself. I have to hope that if they don’t add leads to all the chests then I will have to wait however long for that lead to make it into the IA vendor’s list of rotating leads to buy, if it ever does.

CGPsaint

I ran countless times to get the 5 leads required for the 1st set of codex entries and since then have only managed to pull 2 more leads, with a 3rd coming from the rotating inventory on the vendor in IA. Mind you, in that time I've completed the new jewelry crafting table and pulled 3 leads for the 2nd codex entries, so that 13 leads for the table and 0 for the mythic in the same time period. At the end of the day, whether it's deemed bashing or otherwise, the lead drop implementation and lead drop rates for certain antiquities is just downright silly and something that should be reviewed. Given that it doesn't impact the Crown Store though, I doubt it's high on the list of things for the devs to address.

SpiritofESO

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

TL/DR Mythics are generally overhyped and certainly not worth that kind of grind.

Agreed. I have only intentionally quested for TWO Mythic Rings, both of which are worth having. If I complete other Mythics, I will go get the item because it caused me no trouble to acquire it.

heaven13

katanagirl1 wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

IA is unfairly biased against those who can run more than one arc. I haven’t completed any of the leads there, some I don’t even have 1 of yet. Stickerbook drops are impossible to get in one arc too. It is depressing to finally get a chest in a side room and have no leads in them time after time. I can’t say I have ever got a lead from a Tho’at chest either, I think it’s just gear drops.

I ran it yesterday and got Lady Thorn as the last boss before Tho’at and was not able to solo her this time with Bastian so I had to completely restart. I am also concerned about the new daily quest, I don’t know if I will be able to complete those as well.

I know there are a lot of players on here who run this content for a ridiculous amount of time each day and have everything already, but I would hope that a more healthy metric would be used so that getting leads in a more reasonable amount of time is possible.

Hi!
As I see it, you can only run arc 1 now? I dunno if your bastian is your tank (or a support dps? a healer?), because you really need a tank (way better a tank player, but a tank follower can do) to run more easily IA. Once I changed my follower to a tank months ago (I only run IA solo w/follower), and kept my few ranged tricks (I am a templar), it was day and night, I could get to the second thoat and kill him way more easily (without wearing a IA gear and skills set up, which I have refused to do until now).
Always first kill the little mobs the soon they appear with range they don't have many hp (way harder in melee due to the crap you need to not stay near to), then hit when you can and kill the first big boss then the second. If you simply prioritize that, it is just a question of time to be successfull. Sometimes the little mobs pop where you don't want to. So gl too.:)

As for the topic at hand, I got the so called torc, and I got it two times even, very soon after ZOS implemented it.
Luck? I dunno, maybie they made the leads drop more often at this time, because the torc was the novelty. I think they really did that. I don't trust luck.
Now they added other leads to get, after that. And I think this, screwed the drop rate of the leads of the torc. If true, they need to acknowledge that, and fix. My 2 cents.

I have run two arcs with the hubby a few times but got no more leads from doing that.

I do one arc for time reasons and because I want to do other game content as well.

Yeah, I *can* get through arc 3 solo, but sometimes I want to do other things. My partner hates IA so I can only get him in there for the first arc/daily sometimes. I'd offer to run with you to speed it up, but I see we play on separate platforms. I'm missing a ton of leads from there that I've never dug out (including some for this mythic).

Nice of you to offer but yeah, I have time constraints and my hand gets cramped from long periods of play anyway.

I still go back to my original statement about the IA being sold as something that all players can do at least one arc and the daily designed around that. Now we have another daily that can’t be done in one arc, maybe both versions of the new daily quest. I can’t recall details but I thought the new daily had to be the marauder one before you got the other one. It’s sort of unfair to require going that deep into the content with a lot of it still in a buggy mess as well. If you get a bugged boss then you have to restart and that adds to the time and effort significantly.

I suppose I should just stop posting about these concerns because there doesn’t seem to be many other players who feel the same way. I admit the more times goes on, the less I start caring myself. I have to hope that if they don’t add leads to all the chests then I will have to wait however long for that lead to make it into the IA vendor’s list of rotating leads to buy, if it ever does.

Oh yeah, you definitely can't complete either daily in the first arc. Marauders don't show up until at least arc 2 and the fabled are only a few in the later stages of arc 1 so I think you get 4 before the tho'at. Have to go into arc 2 to get all 10.

Thoriorz

Leads from IA chests are "ok" only for the first lore (first dig).
I have dug all things from IA 1x and getting the Leads was ok for me (about every 3-4 chests = Lead). (this is about the first dig!)
But my opinion is that the problem starts further on when you want to dig up the given things for the second and third lore, aka second and third digs. There the chances of getting Leads are either very small or I am extremely unlucky.

In IA I'm doing Arc 2, that means I have 6 chests from which it's possible to get Leads (if I don't screw up some minigame or if I don't get the Filer Wing "impressive" minigame which I instantly skip), sometimes the little goblin spawns in stage boss fight (also chance for Lead), so about 6-8 chances for Leads for my daily IA. Honestly, I don't remember when I got Lead here (and that it was a lot of daily IAs).

I don't know why the chances on the second and third lore are so small (at least that's how I feel) and what is the intention of ZOS when they implemented these drop chances but I definitely don't like it.

But this is everywhere, I am currently finishing 3 lore for The Shadow Queen´s Cowl (mythic in west weald), and for the second lore (second dig) I had to go over 60 geysers for Lead who drops from the geysers in Summerset before dropped, another Lead from Moongave Fane group dungeon dropped about 30 of these dungeons, WB took me about 4 hours to farm for Lead (WB has a 5 minute respawn so do the math. .).
And that's one thing and only the second lore, if I want to finish the third lore, the same awaits me (as I'm already working on it...).

I'm not saying I want everything right away, but the chances for Leads for the second and third lore seem very exaggerated to me.

My thoughts on how to improve the situation:

Either simply increase the chances of getting Leads for the second and third lore. If not for activities that are easy to reproduce (dolmens, delve bosses etc) then at least for those that are harder to farm (IA, WB - some are not easy to kill solo and can be a pain, daily quests, trials etc).

In IA make it possible to get Leads from the chests behind the stage bosses. That way players would have a better chance of getting Leads.

Or some kind of "safe drop" protection, let's say that getting a Lead from a chest is 20%, so every time I open a chest, this chance goes up by 10%, this way the chance would always increase and the drop Lead would be guaranteed in a certain situation.. (the numbers are just an example, but like this somehow, simply some protection of the player who farms a certain Lead that at a certain moment the Lead player will gain...)

Or more possibilities to buy Leads, in the next update it will be possible to buy a Lead for a telvar in IC and that's good, but I would like it if they were also for gold at the weekly gold merchant or simply a new merchant where, for example, sell 10 Leads (random from all the Leads in the game) and they would rotate weekly.

Or make Leads simply tradable. Why not?

The question is how the ZOS is approaching this matter.
Do they even know that some players are not satisfied with drop Leads?
Are they interested in doing something, or are they pledging that everything is OK?
Does anyone in ZOS get any feedback at all or is it just a discussion between players that is written on the forum that has no chance of changing anything in the game?
yknow..

One way or another, I am of the opinion that the devs could look into it, but I do not give it much chance that anything would change in this direction.

So I wish the OP good luck in looking for Leads in IA for the Ayleid King neck and to everyone else who likes Antiques in looking for Leads.


EDIT:
Heh, about one hour after I wrote my reply in this thread and about 10 geysers (yesterday, 40 without Lead...) finally Lead for 3 lore drop, ZOS is probably already listening :-D

Rowjoh

its rng.

low for some, not for others.

didn't even want this mythic but got all the leads in a week when farming for the upgrades, crafting station and currency.

One of them was purchasable from the IA vendor and got the other 4 in about 25 runs.

xylena_lazarow

seventy_kg wrote: »

well in pvp mythics are certainly worth it

But not this one. Any generic Rallying Cry + Wretched Vitality build is as good or better. Ayleid Torc is for players who would rather grind than theorycraft, performs as intended, but if you care that much about builds, look elsewhere.