Vicious Death Hitting for 60K?????

darvaria

Has something changed where Vicious Death can routinely hit players for 40K, 50k and even up to 60K?

I would like this reviewed. VD needs a serious nerf. Nothing in game should hit players for more than 15K damage, as half the players in PVP run 30K health and lower.

BixenteN7Akantor

I dunno, can VD crit ?
Coz I got killed many times by it and it never exceeded ~17k. I play with ~22k resists

loosej

darvaria wrote: »

half the players in PVP run 30K health and lower.

And the other half runs 45k+ health.

I actually always thought (but could very well be wrong on that) that the dying person's resistance is a factor in the "base" damage the explosion does. So squishy players would cause heavier hitting explosions.

darvaria

I have 35K resists and yes ... 52K health. Plus I'm shielded etc and most of the time have 58K health. Over 2k crit resist. I never got hit by VD more than 14k. And it is usually around 10-12K. The highest damage I have ever taken was from Northern, 15K.

BUT this weekend one player was consistently hitting VD with 40, 50 & 60K. I got killed 3 times with it, while mostly on rams at FD's. Plus I was blocking when I heard that little sound, shielded up and walked out. It was only one player. He proced every single spell. VD damage from other players was about 10k-12K, which didn't kill me. I almost never die from bombers. Just wanted to know if this is possible and IF it is, VD needs to be nerfed immediately. Could this be from the squishy players around me? Last weekend we had 3 players doing unrealistic damage. 3 players no one had ever seen before. This was also from a player no one had seen. Quite a few mentioned the bomb damage was about 3X what they had ever seen. And this player had 40K health. It was a player no one remembered seeing before this weekend.

I would like an answer from ZOS if this kind of VD damage is possible? If SO, I need confirmation there will be a nerf to VD in the near future. If this is possible, I will not be putting down any more rams or even getting close to other players again. Already I never group with anyone.

Orbital78

Was the name a barcode? there are players doing fishy stuff like flying etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they added to DMG multiplier.

darvaria

^Okay that explains it. They added to the damage multiplier because ALL damage was way higher on every single spell. than I've ever seen. And I look at every single engagement and especially the few death counts I see. They must have heard from zone chat they were being reported. Because VD damage went down from 60K to 50K to 40k on last hit. Last hit I stood there and player didn't rez. I always play offline but I got a strange message on my discord asking if I had reported someone, which I ignored and deleted. We didn't see them after that last hit.

I hope ZOS can stop this because yeah I saw someone fly over Chal, open the door and go in and get a scroll. But there was no AVA announcement and they dunked scroll so it went back. What's going on here???????

Yeah ppl have been talking about Barcode, but I thought that was a guild?

Theignson

Darv I'm not sure whether those values were in a death recap or in Combat Metrics?

If in a death recap, large hits are often inaccurate.

You need to look in the addon Combat metrics. It will tell you how many players around you got hit by vicious death. All of them around you will contribute.

HOwever, that being said, I never saw values that high for vicious death.

If you see players flying then there must be a new hack

Urzigurumash

We all understand the mechanical necessity of VD in Cyro, but from time to time it needs curtailed. I agree now seems like such a time.

reazea

darvaria wrote: »

Has something changed where Vicious Death can routinely hit players for 40K, 50k and even up to 60K?

I would like this reviewed. VD needs a serious nerf. Nothing in game should hit players for more than 15K damage, as half the players in PVP run 30K health and lower.

I agree that VD hits too hard, but it doesn't hit that hard, at least not that I've ever seen first hand.

I bet if you looked a little closer at that death recap you would have seen a 3x or 4x next to the VD notation. Meaning, you didn't get hit by one VD proc, you got hit by 3 or 4 at the same time.

aleksandr_ESO

Has anyone read how this set works?

SkaraMinoc

Highest I've clipped is 24k but I did get a 28k VD in CMX during PvP Mayhem.



I'm running a very average Balorgh build with 17k pen, 7600 wd/sd and 85% crit damage. A NB with group buffs and 125% crit damage could hit 30-40k. Not sure about 60k though 🤔

coryj87b14a_ESO

Stop standing in the middle of pugs and you won't get hit by 6 vd procs

Major_Mangle

Still waiting for the screenshots from OP showing a single VD proc hitting for 40-60k

kyle.wilson

There are currently some groups that are running DKs that are leaping multiple times while in corrosive.
I'm assuming you are probably seeing something similar with Balogh's and repeated ultimate's from Cryptcannon Vestments.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Theignson

coryj87b14a_ESO wrote: »

Stop standing in the middle of pugs and you won't get hit by 6 vd procs

You realize that to man a Ram you need 6 people standing close together?

The game is very anti-social in this sense.

YandereGirlfriend

Theignson wrote: »

coryj87b14a_ESO wrote: »

Stop standing in the middle of pugs and you won't get hit by 6 vd procs

You realize that to man a Ram you need 6 people standing close together?

The game is very anti-social in this sense.

True but being on a ram with people you don't know is just asking to get bombed. It is what it is.

Urzigurumash

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

coryj87b14a_ESO wrote: »

Stop standing in the middle of pugs and you won't get hit by 6 vd procs

You realize that to man a Ram you need 6 people standing close together?

The game is very anti-social in this sense.

True but being on a ram with people you don't know is just asking to get bombed. It is what it is.

Nah I'm gonna go with this is proof it's escaped its mechanical function of reducing zergs. 6 pugs on a ram is not a zerg. Remember before its last adjustment, I think when it got Per Target scaling, (before occult overloaded existed) it was being used to 1v2, 1v3. Maybe that was right after procs could crit again, or got scaling, I don't quite recall.

Maybe lower baseline and increase the aggressiveness of that Per Target scaling, something like that. Or even a radius increase with that.

Again its Anti Zerg function is indispensable, but @Theignson is right, there's a balance to be struck between reducing zerging and removing casual social pugging in Cyro.

CameraBeardThePirate

Urzigurumash wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

coryj87b14a_ESO wrote: »

Stop standing in the middle of pugs and you won't get hit by 6 vd procs

You realize that to man a Ram you need 6 people standing close together?

The game is very anti-social in this sense.

True but being on a ram with people you don't know is just asking to get bombed. It is what it is.

Nah I'm gonna go with this is proof it's escaped its mechanical function of reducing zergs. 6 pugs on a ram is not a zerg. Remember before its last adjustment, I think when it got Per Target scaling, (before occult overloaded existed) it was being used to 1v2, 1v3. Maybe that was right after procs could crit again, or got scaling, I don't quite recall.

Maybe lower baseline and increase the aggressiveness of that Per Target scaling, something like that. Or even a radius increase with that.

Again its Anti Zerg function is indispensable, but @Theignson is right, there's a balance to be struck between reducing zerging and removing casual social pugging in Cyro.

Vicious Death doesn't have proximity based scaling.

Urzigurumash

Ah whoops, well something big was changed to TetherBombing like 3 years ago, i remember half of Cyro were on NB bombers for like 1 patch. I thought it was a big adjustment to VD but maybe I'm wrong, I must've confused that part with Plaguebreak.

Edit: it was Proxy Det I was thinking of, that was what was changed in 2021 and stopped the TetherBomb meta of the time

darvaria

I went back and looked and it was ONE VD. No other VD hits have even come close to 60K. It went down to 50K, then to 40k. Players in zone were saying to report. So I know the player changed it. Later the hit was like 20K. I've logged 20 VD attacks and not one has been over 12K. Haven't seen this player again.

TDVM

Stop asking to weaken everything, the game is already weakened a lot of things just because players go where they have no experience and after a couple of deaths say that something needs to be weakened

darvaria

I would hardly say I am somewhere I have "no experience". Forums since March 2014, GO & Empress since 2016. And have completed many campaigns. I checked my kill logs and have never found you in them. ^ Deaths or kills.

If you are half way competent, you can check on almost any guild discord in eso. And YES, there was a multiplier being used. I will not discuss the multiplier here because ZOS does not want to promote this. I will say it is very easily detected. For this particular player, I only saw for a few days. I did notice he is no longer on the discord for the guild tag that was displayed.

I don't get hit high enough by too many VD's to be killed. I have watched since and VD hits between 12k & 16K, with one 18k hit. n = 30 on these numbers. I've checked records since this incident. Even Plague Break is weaker now. I have only died if multiple bombers coordinate and usually I have to be hit AFTER the bomb. I kept logs and only died on 1/30 bombing attempts.

Players should watch for any damage that is outside of the normal range. There is a limit to how much a spell can hit.

I think VD should only apply to players you are in a group with. This kind of bombing keeps players from repairing FD or grouping.

Kartalin

darvaria wrote: »

I have 35K resists and yes ... 52K health. Plus I'm shielded etc and most of the time have 58K health. Over 2k crit resist. I never got hit by VD more than 14k. And it is usually around 10-12K. The highest damage I have ever taken was from Northern, 15K.

I think multiple VD procs taken are being stacked on your death recap. It sounds like you had several allies around you with less robust defenses when the bomb went off and you got "buddy [snip]". 4 or 5 adjacent allies got zeroed I would guess.

Btw, this is by far the most amusing way to deal with block tanks.

[edited for profanity bypass]

darvaria

No it was ONE player VD. And it got less each time. I only saw them for 2 days and the last VD was normal ... like 12K. I carefully checked combat logs and it was only ONE VD. Strange to see a player you've never seen and see them 3 or 4 times and not again.

darvaria

So this is normal damage for VD? Until a formal NERF to VD is issued the following should be applied:

- NEVER stand on a ram or repair a door or wall
- NEVER join a group so you can maintain distance
- Range siege only
- NEVER rush in a keep or outpost and just wait until there are no groups
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And these examples were holding block. Strangely no matter how many VD's you get hit with it's about the same damage. I was on a discord but got kicked off after they saw my original post but there is a way the VD hits are being modified. If a player changes them and runs in and changes them back before they rez, this can't be detected. I have like 5 screen shots but am only posting 2. Won't be getting more, because I'm done going to Cyro except for standing on walls and keeping max distance.

Strangely, I have gotten hit by 2, 3 & 5 VD's but the damage is always around 45K. One of these players hit like 60K and then hits got toned back. I've noticed they do not rez for a couple minutes.

darvaria

NERF VD or fix this or there is no need in going to Cyrodiil. Especially, if you are going to be anywhere near other players. I haven't gotten killed since last time because I'm not there much and when I am I play solo and am no where NEAR other players. FIX VD or Cyrodiil is ruined. And it's only a couple of players that are hitting like this because it is mentioned in zone chat. Bombers need a serious nerf. Letting a few players ruin it for everyone else? And for some reason, this never hits on ball groups. The guide said not to hit balls because they would mass report and you would get caught. I could post 5 shots but am only posting 2.

VD effect should ONLY apply to players in the SAME group. NOT random players standing around.

Joy_Division

I think the coefficient in front of a damage number is how many of that damage instances you got hit by. That would mean getting hit an average of 15K and 9K VD procs, which are normal numbers accounting for penetration, block, opponent's resistances, balrogh's, etc. Could be wrong though. I would be more inclined to believe a 60K proc from CMX, ESO logs. or some other line-by-line time and damage taken record

I have not noticed any unusual VD procs hitting me in the past month. Then again, I don't get hit by it very much so I'm maybe not the best person to ask.

darvaria

It's like only certain players hit these numbers. At first there were a few hits of around 60K. Other VD hits are like 12k (combat logs no deaths). It's the same couple of players over and over. On discord, someone said to bring hits down to around 45K or ESO could "catch" you. I went back and got a copy of the discord but ZOS can't use that information. I then got banned from the discords.

I'm ALWAYS holding block. (use am I blocking add on)
35K resists at all times.

But according to zones, no matter how many VD procs show up .. 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 the damage is always around 45K

VD should be limited to ONLY players in your group. One hit like this and most players leave. I'm not going to Cyrodiil much anymore and don't have any more hits. When I do go, I make SURE I don't die. These numbers cant be right. But I'm not going back and collect more numbers. This kind of damage just discourages players from trying to help with objectives. Or from going to Cyrodiil at all.

Oblivion_Protocol

Yeah, those numbers in front of the Vicious Death on your recap are the number of instances of that damage that occurred before you died. So the ‘5’ means that you were hit with 5 procs instantaneously when five people died. You’re getting hit with multiple 9k - 15k VD procs, which is normal. The set is functioning as it should, no nerfs required. Now let’s stop begging for nerfs before we all just end up having useless slap fights in Cyro.

darvaria

Until VD is nerfed players are NOT going to get on rams or in groups. I'll stand on walls and drop oils. It's ruining the game.

darvaria

Between ball groups and bombers that can hit 50K, lots of pvp players have given up. I literally go in for a few minutes like today to get my 1 kill standing on a wall and light attacking and then pop out immediately. 7 kills and 0 deaths and I'm done until this is fixed. The pvp population is really suffering now.