Will you be updating out of date skills?

grumlins

Skills nobody uses such as:

Trapping Webs (no dot without someone else using the synergy is kind of useless the time it takes before exploding should be taken out entirely and instead of exploding doing poison damage it starts ticking poison damage on contact. The spiders could either be small ones adding a bleed or a large one adding a more buffed poison DoT (without the need for Synergy).

Scatter Shot Why not make it have a secondary AOE option such as a fiery explosion that causes burn and a ground burn for AOE uses. We already have two grabbing skills one is under the classes and one is under the Fighter's Guild which is something everyone needs anyways.

Also please restore the fire damage to Volley and if not fire than please make Arrow Barrage do bleed damage DoT. Thank you!

Caltrops Can we please remove the anticalvary caltrops and replace it with slow and Bleed Damage for a DoT option?

Sanguine Altar since we have plenty of options for minor lifesteal (600 hp being stolen from enemies and transferred to your party members) in most of the scripts will you be updating this to possibly cause more of a harrowstorm effect as the secondary option?

katanagirl1

Scatter shot is one of those skills that I hate when other players use it. I place my dots and aoes and someone come along and hits that and suddenly the enemy/boss is no longer being targeted with my damage. I’m like “he’s all yours now” and stop fighting.

Gabriel_H

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Scatter shot is one of those skills that I hate when other players use it. I place my dots and aoes and someone come along and hits that and suddenly the enemy/boss is no longer being targeted with my damage. I’m like “he’s all yours now” and stop fighting.

Eh? Bosses are immune to knockback.

Rowjoh

The whole Bow skill line has been in need of a massive overhaul for years.

It's weak and dull, and will remain merely as a utility function unless it's brought in line with the other offensive weapon skills.

pklemming

The optimism of getting an answer to any question from ZoS is quite charming.

Have a quick look at any of the questions in this forum. Then look for any answer ZoS has provided. It is just players talking to other players. Asking for any answer is an exercise in futility.

I_killed_Vivec

pklemming wrote: »

The optimism of getting an answer to any question from ZoS is quite charming.

Have a quick look at any of the questions in this forum. Then look for any answer ZoS has provided. It is just players talking to other players. Asking for any answer is an exercise in futility.

Maybe a better question to get a response from ZoS would be "How much to-ing and fro-ing can you get away with before the mods step in?"

pklemming

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

pklemming wrote: »

The optimism of getting an answer to any question from ZoS is quite charming.

Have a quick look at any of the questions in this forum. Then look for any answer ZoS has provided. It is just players talking to other players. Asking for any answer is an exercise in futility.

Maybe a better question to get a response from ZoS would be "How much to-ing and fro-ing can you get away with before the mods step in?"

Sadly, the Mods are no longer ZoS any more and have not been for years. We actually have more interaction with a different company than the company that runs the game and owns these forums.

AnduinTryggva

Rowjoh wrote: »

The whole Bow skill line has been in need of a massive overhaul for years.

It's weak and dull, and will remain merely as a utility function unless it's brought in line with the other offensive weapon skills.

I strongly support this.

You hardly see bows used in any advanced difficulty contente. It is all staff, staff and sometimes some melee.

The current state of bow is simply sad.

Anyhow I really think that the whole system is not favoring different playstyles at all.

The only really distinction that matters if you are not for ultra end game stuff is what role your are playing, tank, heal or dd.

The rest is just a huge pie of metas which play pretty similar after all. They all come either with two staffs or a decorative dual wield for passices on their fb and staff on bb.

Where is the melee build that throws himself into battle to throw blows to the boss?

Where is the tactical mage that controlls the elements and the enemies?

Where is the ranger that lies traps and sprays the enemy with his bow before vanishing again for repositioning?

Drammanoth

pklemming wrote: »

The optimism of getting an answer to any question from ZoS is quite charming.

Have a quick look at any of the questions in this forum. Then look for any answer ZoS has provided. It is just players talking to other players. Asking for any answer is an exercise in futility.

That's just poetic - and not ZOS' lack of answering, but what you wrote @pklemming
I mean, uh, BEAUTIFULLY poetic.

Drammanoth

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Maybe a better question to get a response from ZoS would be "How much to-ing and fro-ing can you get away with before the mods step in?"

True, as always with comments which point out flaws - censorship is the best tool.
Sure, to play the Devil's Advocate, they are not obliged to answer our questions beacuse it is their service, but one sure mark of a trustworthy and endearing company is the relationship with the community. And yes, no company is without flaws DUH.
The final remark - what is more prominent: communication OR lack thereof despite flaws?

Stafford197

pklemming wrote: »

The optimism of getting an answer to any question from ZoS is quite charming.

Have a quick look at any of the questions in this forum. Then look for any answer ZoS has provided. It is just players talking to other players. Asking for any answer is an exercise in futility.

^^^ Exactly this

Devs probably peak around here on occasion. Or at least they used to. If they feel they’ll get a ton of negative comments by posting on here, then that’s pretty telling since this is the community which has been directly fostered by ZOS.

Gabriel_H

Stafford197 wrote: »

^^^ Exactly this

Devs probably peak around here on occasion. Or at least they used to. If they feel they’ll get a ton of negative comments by posting on here, then that’s pretty telling since this is the community which has been directly fostered by ZOS.

The majority of people go to gaming forums to complain. That isn't anything ZOS has fostered, it's what the internet has. Go look at WoW forums, a game with a much larger playerbase and still growing, and you'll find the exact same sort of posts as here.

Stafford197

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

^^^ Exactly this

Devs probably peak around here on occasion. Or at least they used to. If they feel they’ll get a ton of negative comments by posting on here, then that’s pretty telling since this is the community which has been directly fostered by ZOS.

The majority of people go to gaming forums to complain. That isn't anything ZOS has fostered, it's what the internet has. Go look at WoW forums, a game with a much larger playerbase and still growing, and you'll find the exact same sort of posts as here.

Yes and no. Healthy games are supposed to have a mix of compliments and complaints.

ESO’s forums used to have a huge amount of compliments about the game. For example, Morrowind generated huge hype for the game - Battlegrounds, Warden, Vvardenfell were all a huge hit with the playerbase. Yet ZOS also did a poor job with the game balance (mass sustain nerfs) at the same time, so Morrowind had complaints too.

I can’t speak for some other random game forums like WoW. I’m talking about ESO which I’ve been around for 10 years. The difference now is, the game is not receiving constant “Morrowinds”. These forums are full of complaints, all of which are sentiments echoed across all social media and ingame. Poor game balance, underwhelming chapter, bad game performance in PvP and the 30FPS menus are horrible etc.

ZOS can turn all of this around if they have a great year in 2025. Not seeing any indication of them caring enough to accomplish that atm though.

Soarora

Just because you don’t use the skills doesn’t mean they’re not used. Very few skills in this game are actually useless.

Trapping Webs - Part of preDoTing for sweaty DPS. I also use this on a tank sometimes to add some damage, since the synergy does the real damage.

Caltrops - Razor caltrops are used by tanks all the time, anticalvary caltrops are used as a ground DoT. I have noticed a significant boost in DPS using anticalvary caltrops on stamarc vs not.

Altar - Altar is used more for the synergy, but the lifesteal buff isn’t terribly useless either.

Only one here I don’t think has much use is scatter shot, but I could be wrong.

Gabriel_H

Soarora wrote: »

Only one here I don’t think has much use is scatter shot, but I could be wrong.

Oathsworn Pit, for the 4 mobs on the pit edge.

Soarora

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Only one here I don’t think has much use is scatter shot, but I could be wrong.

Oathsworn Pit, for the 4 mobs on the pit edge.

True, but I’ve also just used flame clench with a ruby ash random inferno staff for that. There’s also throwing the spheres off the cliff in FV HM but people usually use templar or flame clench for that too.

Gabriel_H

Stafford197 wrote: »

Yes and no. Healthy games are supposed to have a mix of compliments and complaints.

Human beings do not work like that. They are much more prone to actively complaining than actively complimenting. The level of compliments on this forum is the same as the level of compliments on other gaming forums. Forums have an inherant bias, spending time on forums re-inforces that bias.

PS. I would hardly call WoW "some other random gaming forum".

Bradyfjord

I would rather have the skills get a third morph, starting with class skills. But it has a point that many skills are so niche. When a situation fits a particular niche skill, I usually don't notice until after the situation is over.

Stafford197

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

Yes and no. Healthy games are supposed to have a mix of compliments and complaints.

Human beings do not work like that. They are much more prone to actively complaining than actively complimenting. The level of compliments on this forum is the same as the level of compliments on other gaming forums. Forums have an inherant bias, spending time on forums re-inforces that bias.

PS. I would hardly call WoW "some other random gaming forum".

What? No that’s incorrect and does not address the point.

All Forums are not magically equal due to Human Psychology. By that logic, whether ESO is doing very well or very poorly you’re saying that these Forums will not reflect it, but instead will look the same as every other gaming forum regardless of the state of the game?

I went ahead and explained my point in the text afterward which you did not respond to lol. I gave you the example of the Morrowind Chapter of 2017 compared to how the Gold Road Chapter reception is now in 2024. This was a point made to show how the Forums responds to the state of the game itself. There used to be ton of compliments and hype, vs there is far less so now. Both chapters likewise have complaints, but again there are far more complaints right now compared to with Morrowind. And if they have a great 2025 chapter, the compliments will once again be all over the place and the complaints far less so.

And what I mean by WoW being random is that it has its own history / does not share the same history as ESO. But we seem to just have a general disagreement here on the topic which is ok.

katanagirl1

Rowjoh wrote: »

The whole Bow skill line has been in need of a massive overhaul for years.

It's weak and dull, and will remain merely as a utility function unless it's brought in line with the other offensive weapon skills.

I would love to see bows brought up to the level of other weapons. For general overland activities in any game, if your character is not using a staff, it is good to have a bow for ranged and then switch to melee for close quarters. Having to choose two melee weapons for more damage makes sense in end game activities I guess, but solo it is not ideal.

Of course you could argue that overland doesn’t need high damage, it’s more for role play esthetics.