The need to re-balance jewelry master writ rewards

robertlabrie

Purple equipment master writs for clothing, blacksmithing and woodworking reward 7 writ vouchers (except nirnhoned which is usually 20). Purple jewelry master writs reward between 20 and 35 vouchers. To be able to complete all blacksmithing master writs you need to research 126 traits and around 1265 style pages (11 per set, 115 sets plus 10 sold as books instead of pages). By comparison to complete all jewelry master writs you need to research 18 traits and zero style pages. Increasing access to completing master writs was one of the motivations to collect and learn style pages.

The rewards for jewelry master writs are out of proportion for the effort needed to be able to complete them. Prior to Update 40 the extra effort needed to farm purple and gold tempers justified the higher rewards but this is no longer the case. At a minimum, the rewards for jewelry master writs should be adjusted to match other equipment equipment master writs. Jewelry crafting is the only equipment line which does not require style motifs, which aligns it more with the consumable crafting line in terms of prerequisites and really the writ vouchers for jewelry master writs should be adjusted to align with consumable master writs and rewards between 2 and 5 vouchers.

Update 40 removed the high barrier to upgrading jewelry and was a valuable quality of life improvement for the players. Adjusting jewelry master writs to align with other equipment writs seems to be an oversight and should be easily corrected.

HedgeHugger

Why not boost the others instead?
Give, rather than take away.

Sarannah

Actually, it does seem balanced. As the base jewelry crafting material platinum is still much more rare compared to the other tradeskills their base materials, and we do not have a jewerly hireling(20 x ~5 = atleast 100 daily platinum). The base material for jewelry crafting drops down much faster compared to the other crafts their base materials, and is much harder to restock.

Also, jewerly master writs should NOT have lower voucher amounts. The other crafts need higher voucher amounts actually. Just the set crafting stations alone for all the sets is 75k+ vouchers.

PS: The only reason most players do purple and lower master writs, is for the exp, not the vouchers. Only the gold master writs are actually worth their effort for the vouchers(excluding enchanting).

TaSheen

Sarannah wrote: »

Actually, it does seem balanced. As the base jewelry crafting material platinum is still much more rare compared to the other tradeskills their base materials, and we do not have a jewerly hireling(20 x ~5 = atleast 100 daily platinum). The base material for jewelry crafting drops down much faster compared to the other crafts their base materials, and is much harder to restock.

Also, jewerly master writs should NOT have lower voucher amounts. The other crafts need higher voucher amounts actually. Just the set crafting stations alone for all the sets is 75k+ vouchers.

PS: The only reason most players do purple and lower master writs, is for the exp, not the vouchers. Only the gold master writs are actually worth their effort for the vouchers(excluding enchanting).

This.... solid reasoning.

spartaxoxo

Absolutely not. It is already a Herculean effort to try and get enough vouchers to get the Master tables as is. Most already people cannot do it alone and that's why it's often a guild effort to get them up and running.

Ishtarknows

Remember that while zos changed the platings so that they refine as one item rather than collecting 10 grains to refine into a plating they did not change the way that jewellery trait materials are found. They still refine as grains.
It could take more than 10 Psijic portals to get your aurbic amber to make an infused ring. You'd be happy with only 7 vouchers for that?

DoofusMax

Except for Nirncrux, the trait mats for the other gear crafts are reasonably common drops from refining and deconning. You have to really go out of your way for Nirncrux.

For Jewelry, Arcane/Healthy/Robust drops from refining, Protective drops from harvesting, and Infused is a "sometimes" thing from Psijic Portals, which are themselves on the rare side. Triune (Dawn-Prism) needs AP to purchase. While it's supposed to also drop from Board Missions, I've never received any from that source over several years (could be doing the wrong boards). Bloodthirsty (Slaugherstone) drops from Trials. Not really my thing, so I have to buy it. Harmony (Dibellium) drops from dungeons and I've picked up a bit over the years, but mostly have to buy it. Swift (Gilging Wax) must be purchased for writ vouchers.

Update 40 rebalanced the platings drops to bring them more in line with the other gear crafts. But based on PC NA prices, Jewelry is still the most costly writ to do in terms of mats. Once you know the motif, a purple gear writ is often in the 500-to-1 range (or cheaper) in terms of cost-to-vouchers, while Jewelry is still significantly higher than 1000-to-1, sometimes closer to 2000-to-1 and gold writs are much worse.

If I were going to tinker with writs, I wouldn't do much with the payout for Jewelry writs, but I'd take a long look at the drop rates for Master Writ drops from the other crafts (or maybe pull Jewelry drop rates back a bit). The drop rate for gear crafts caps around 15%, but the major chunk of that chance is based on the number of fully-learned motifs and that number increases every year (making it not a huge deal for long-time players, but an increasingly big hurdle for newer players). The other crafts stay pretty static, with the exception of the occasional new Alchemy reagent.

Hapexamendios

I'm not convinced. No dice.

katanagirl1

I can’t believe someone is complaining that something in the game is too good.

Does OP do daily crafting writs? That’s the only way I could see someone saying it is unfair, if they do not do them.

StarOfElyon

HedgeHugger wrote: »

Why not boost the others instead?
Give, rather than take away.

Thank you. For too long jewelry writs weren't even worth doing. I would trash them. Now they're actually in a good spot.

AlienSlof

What does need balancing is the drop rate for jewelry writs - I get way more of those than the other crafts - almost like the drop rates are skewed.

Necrotech_Master

jewelry trait materials are still very pricey, as they all require different sources to get, and they still have unrefined versions

other crafts are much easier to get the trait mats

an example of this is jewelry writs that require gilding wax, which itself costs writ vouchers to buy if you dont go to a guild store

if a jewelry writ was 7-9 vouchers, it would barely cover the cost of the gilding wax alone, at 20-30 vouchers, its still worthwile to craft as your only losing 5 vouchers to the wax

GuuMoonRyoung

You do realize that Jewelry trait items are pulverized and need 10 of them to make one trait item? While Blacksmithing, Woodworking and Clothing trait items are easy to get and always comes as a full item. Just for this reason, the reward for Jewelry master writs reward is okay. There are some traits that are very hard to find and extremely costly on guild stores, still going for over 40K yet purple master writs barely give 30 vouchers, it is an insult.

I have no idea why you are so offended and riled up about Jewelry master writs, but you are heavily misguided.

katanagirl1

AlienSlof wrote: »

What does need balancing is the drop rate for jewelry writs - I get way more of those than the other crafts - almost like the drop rates are skewed.

I am happy with the drop rate, I don’t do them all but I can sell them for a low price and make some gold since I can’t sell much else.

ESO_player123

No. For all the reasons listed above.
Even if it was "unbalanced" like you think (it's not), why do you think it needs to be changed? I've seen no one complaining about it.

Gandalf_72

Do not change the amount of writ voucher for jewelry, please.
We are always suffering for new changes, let us enjoy something in the game !
Master writs for Jewelry are currently giving more writ voucher ?
That's a good thing, we have to jump for joy, not complaining about!
Please, leave things how they are.

robertlabrie

Yes, I do daily writs on all 18. I also learned 122 complete motifs which is now apparently a total waste of time since jewelry master writs pay out vouchers like candy from a broken vending machine. I did of course expect to get flamed into oblivion with this post, but I'm not wrong.

Necrotech_Master

if jewelry writs were reduced anymore, they would return to being just as worthless as before the jewelry temper revamp

i already gave an example using jewelry writs that require gilding wax (which cannot drop naturally, you have to pay 5 writ vouchers for it)

if the jewelry return of vouchers was lowered anymore, jewelry writs would be an absolute waste of space like when it cost 5 mil gold to make a gold jewelry because of the temper cost

robertlabrie

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if jewelry writs were reduced anymore, they would return to being just as worthless as before the jewelry temper revamp

Yes, I agree. The revamp made improving jewelry items accessible to more players, and jewelry master writs would still be a viable XP farm for power leveling. It would just no longer reward writ vouchers way out of proportion to the level of effort needed to be eligible to complete them - which was the whole point of my post.

TaSheen

I'm perfectly happy with the amount and value of JC master writs. So what you're complaining about is that you personally spent a lot of time and gold on apparently the whole master crafter shtick, and now the rest of us are blithely filling JC master writs without having spent the same amount of time and gold?

Different strokes for different folks, y'know?

DrScott59

robertlabrie wrote: »

I did of course expect to get flamed into oblivion with this post, but I'm not wrong.

Flamed? Nobody has flamed you here. I read every comment, they have all been respectful and most have even given counterpoints to support their differing opinion. Disagreeing is absolutely not the same thing as flaming.

I think the Jewelry writ rewards are still fine. They are finally closer to being "in line" with other types. Before the material changes and price drops, most people just deleted them because the cost:voucher ratio made them worthless. They are still more expensive to complete (per voucher) than many other writs, particularly most provisioning and enchanting writs. Also, mat prices SEEM to be stabilizing, and I suspect they will begin rising again.

Everyone (including you) gets a mix of writ types, so your rewards from Jewelry writs are no less than anyone else's.

I say let the economic adjustments settle in for a few months, and then see where everything falls.

Necrotech_Master

robertlabrie wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if jewelry writs were reduced anymore, they would return to being just as worthless as before the jewelry temper revamp

Yes, I agree. The revamp made improving jewelry items accessible to more players, and jewelry master writs would still be a viable XP farm for power leveling. It would just no longer reward writ vouchers way out of proportion to the level of effort needed to be eligible to complete them - which was the whole point of my post.

they do still require significant effort, mainly on the trait side of things

only 3 of the traits are "common drops" (health, mag, stam), the other 6 traits all come from specific activities, or require being bought (gilding wax)

if you reduced the amount of vouchers any more, jewelry writs will become worthless because it wont be worth the cost in the mats to make them again

they are at a good spot now in terms of the effort to get/cost of mats

robertlabrie

they do still require significant effort, mainly on the trait side of things

1700+ style pages to unlock all possible equipment master writs (plus their often rare, corresponding style mats) vs zero style pages for the jewelry writs isn't a significant effort all, not even remotely in the same ballpark and if it was then it would still make sense to lower the jewelry master writ voucher reward to align with the others. 20-30 for a purple master writ just doesn't make sense.

Necrotech_Master

robertlabrie wrote: »

they do still require significant effort, mainly on the trait side of things

1700+ style pages to unlock all possible equipment master writs (plus their often rare, corresponding style mats) vs zero style pages for the jewelry writs isn't a significant effort all, not even remotely in the same ballpark and if it was then it would still make sense to lower the jewelry master writ voucher reward to align with the others. 20-30 for a purple master writ just doesn't make sense.

if it goes any lower than 20-30, it wont be worth doing because it costs writ vouchers for some of the trait materials

at least 70% of the motifs are not expensive to buy or hard to get because they have been around a long time, i dont see this as an issue, you dont need all 125 motifs completed to do a single writ, on an individual level you need 1 chapter for 1 style

i dont disagree that some of the style mats are rare (though these can be bypassed with crown mimic stones which are common rewards from both daily logins or crown crates)

traits are somewhat negligible, even nirnhoned is pretty easy to get nowadays

none of those cost writ vouchers to purchase though

for jewelry you cannot get say triune without spending AP or buying it from a guild trader, if you dont pvp, the AP route is inaccessible and transmuting gives you 1/10 of a trait mat which is incredibly inefficient

i would only support bringing jewelry writ voucher rewards in line with the others if they made the trait mats more accessible and removed the unrefined versions of those

TaSheen

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for jewelry you cannot get say triune without spending AP or buying it from a guild trader, if you dont pvp, the AP route is inaccessible and transmuting gives you 1/10 of a trait mat which is incredibly inefficient

Eh, I don't pvp at all, and still have 500k + AP on 2 of my 4 accounts, both PC megaservers, so triune is trivial for me. We get enough in daily rewards to keep me in triune for a long time yet. Ditto TV for hakeijo....

Necrotech_Master

TaSheen wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for jewelry you cannot get say triune without spending AP or buying it from a guild trader, if you dont pvp, the AP route is inaccessible and transmuting gives you 1/10 of a trait mat which is incredibly inefficient

Eh, I don't pvp at all, and still have 500k + AP on 2 of my 4 accounts, both PC megaservers, so triune is trivial for me. We get enough in daily rewards to keep me in triune for a long time yet. Ditto TV for hakeijo....

depends if your trying to bulk buy for writs lol

there was a point i had to buy 80 triune to complete old jewelry writs, they cost better than they used to (25k now instead of 100k each)

80 triune at 25k AP each was still like 2 mil AP (i have like 26 mil banked so it was a drop in the bucket for me)

TaSheen

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for jewelry you cannot get say triune without spending AP or buying it from a guild trader, if you dont pvp, the AP route is inaccessible and transmuting gives you 1/10 of a trait mat which is incredibly inefficient

Eh, I don't pvp at all, and still have 500k + AP on 2 of my 4 accounts, both PC megaservers, so triune is trivial for me. We get enough in daily rewards to keep me in triune for a long time yet. Ditto TV for hakeijo....

depends if your trying to bulk buy for writs lol

there was a point i had to buy 80 triune to complete old jewelry writs, they cost better than they used to (25k now instead of 100k each)

80 triune at 25k AP each was still like 2 mil AP (i have like 26 mil banked so it was a drop in the bucket for me)

Heh. Considering what you need in the way of writs, well.... That's not going to happen to me. I've got all the master stations I will ever need. So yeah - I can get by nearly forever on what I get in dribs and drabs from daily rewards!

ESO_player123

robertlabrie wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if jewelry writs were reduced anymore, they would return to being just as worthless as before the jewelry temper revamp

Yes, I agree. The revamp made improving jewelry items accessible to more players, and jewelry master writs would still be a viable XP farm for power leveling. It would just no longer reward writ vouchers way out of proportion to the level of effort needed to be eligible to complete them - which was the whole point of my post.

XP from master writs is just an icing on the cake for me. The only reason I'm doing them is the vouchers. If the amount of vouchers for purple jewelry writs were to be reduced to the level of clothing/woodworking/blacksmithing writs, then I would just trash them (just like I now trash purple jewelry writs that require triune/swift/bloodthirsty traits).

TaSheen

Normally, I only do gold and purple JC master writs, and only gold of the other crafts - because it's all about the vouchers. If the purple JC ones get dropped to the level of the rest of them, I'll never do them again. Right now, the purple JC ones are worth doing....

kringled_1

ESO_player123 wrote: »

robertlabrie wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if jewelry writs were reduced anymore, they would return to being just as worthless as before the jewelry temper revamp

Yes, I agree. The revamp made improving jewelry items accessible to more players, and jewelry master writs would still be a viable XP farm for power leveling. It would just no longer reward writ vouchers way out of proportion to the level of effort needed to be eligible to complete them - which was the whole point of my post.

XP from master writs is just an icing on the cake for me. The only reason I'm doing them is the vouchers. If the amount of vouchers for purple jewelry writs were to be reduced to the level of clothing/woodworking/blacksmithing writs, then I would just trash them (just like I now trash purple jewelry writs that require triune/swift/bloodthirsty traits).

Purple swift writs pay out more than 5 vouchers more than their healthy/arcane/robust counterparts. It's always worth it to buy the trait items to do those ones.

BahometZ

Someone asking for less reward? Inconceivable.
I take it you're on PC and use crafting add-ons? That's conceivable.

This is a big no from me dawg. Crafting is already a slog, and I'm not looking for less vouchers. If anything, increase the vouchers from other disciplines by a smudge. Call it inflation.