MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I'm not sure how much dummy slaying numbers are worth.
I guess it's suppose to be the best a player can hope to produce, but not everybody does the best against a dummy. It's just so boring! I have ADHD and really I can't sustain focus on a dummy for that long. There is nothing to hold my interest.
A boss fight is completely different. I have no trouble focusing and love the challenge of soloing a high-end boss. I will also point out that teamwork and paying attention to what's going on around the room is also important and never shows up on the dummy.
So yeah I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the dummy numbers...
MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I'm not sure how much dummy slaying numbers are worth.
I guess it's suppose to be the best a player can hope to produce, but not everybody does the best against a dummy. It's just so boring! I have ADHD and really I can't sustain focus on a dummy for that long. There is nothing to hold my interest.
A boss fight is completely different. I have no trouble focusing and love the challenge of soloing a high-end boss. I will also point out that teamwork and paying attention to what's going on around the room is also important and never shows up on the dummy.
So yeah I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the dummy numbers...
Have you tried listening to music? That's what I do. After a bit of warmup I get lost in the music and then ooh the parse is almost done. A standardized parse is just the best way to see how well someone knows how to parse and then some people will ask for logs to see how well you do in-content. Having the parse then is still necessary because your damage in-content can look different depending who is in the group and what the content is.
MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I'm not sure how much dummy slaying numbers are worth.
I guess it's suppose to be the best a player can hope to produce, but not everybody does the best against a dummy. It's just so boring! I have ADHD and really I can't sustain focus on a dummy for that long. There is nothing to hold my interest.
A boss fight is completely different. I have no trouble focusing and love the challenge of soloing a high-end boss. I will also point out that teamwork and paying attention to what's going on around the room is also important and never shows up on the dummy.
So yeah I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the dummy numbers...
Have you tried listening to music? That's what I do. After a bit of warmup I get lost in the music and then ooh the parse is almost done. A standardized parse is just the best way to see how well someone knows how to parse and then some people will ask for logs to see how well you do in-content. Having the parse then is still necessary because your damage in-content can look different depending who is in the group and what the content is.
Well since I'm on the console there wouldn't be any logs. Music doesn't help my ADHD issues. Honestly, if I focus on the music whatever else I'm doing just drops off.
So for most groups, the dummy number is really that important? I guess I'm just a little surprised. Ok, I know being neurodivergent means things work differently for me, but yeah it does still surprise me. Although I can't prove it I'm completely sure my damage is much higher in an actual fight. In the zone is a phase that comes to mind. For me that's really the most fun. But thanks for telling me. I do need to know if I'm going to try more harder group content what the expectations are. I appreciate it. :-)
MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I'm not sure how much dummy slaying numbers are worth.
I guess it's suppose to be the best a player can hope to produce, but not everybody does the best against a dummy. It's just so boring! I have ADHD and really I can't sustain focus on a dummy for that long. There is nothing to hold my interest.
A boss fight is completely different. I have no trouble focusing and love the challenge of soloing a high-end boss. I will also point out that teamwork and paying attention to what's going on around the room is also important and never shows up on the dummy.
So yeah I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the dummy numbers...
Have you tried listening to music? That's what I do. After a bit of warmup I get lost in the music and then ooh the parse is almost done. A standardized parse is just the best way to see how well someone knows how to parse and then some people will ask for logs to see how well you do in-content. Having the parse then is still necessary because your damage in-content can look different depending who is in the group and what the content is.
Well since I'm on the console there wouldn't be any logs. Music doesn't help my ADHD issues. Honestly, if I focus on the music whatever else I'm doing just drops off.
So for most groups, the dummy number is really that important? I guess I'm just a little surprised. Ok, I know being neurodivergent means things work differently for me, but yeah it does still surprise me. Although I can't prove it I'm completely sure my damage is much higher in an actual fight. In the zone is a phase that comes to mind. For me that's really the most fun. But thanks for telling me. I do need to know if I'm going to try more harder group content what the expectations are. I appreciate it. :-)
No problem! Guess I should've checked your signature haha. I don't play console but my understanding is they ask for videos instead of logs.
MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I'm not sure how much dummy slaying numbers are worth.
I guess it's suppose to be the best a player can hope to produce, but not everybody does the best against a dummy. It's just so boring! I have ADHD and really I can't sustain focus on a dummy for that long. There is nothing to hold my interest.
A boss fight is completely different. I have no trouble focusing and love the challenge of soloing a high-end boss. I will also point out that teamwork and paying attention to what's going on around the room is also important and never shows up on the dummy.
So yeah I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the dummy numbers...
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »21,002,944 / 100,000 = 210 seconds
210 / 60 = 3.5 minutes
So, while you do not have to do 100k/sec damage for entire fight, it can fluctuate, you should finish Iron Atro in about 3.5 minutes.
And note that DPS in ESO is not really about gear. It is about rotation. A top player in purple crafted gear, with a tight rotation, can do 100k. An inexperienced DPS, with poor timing, the wrong skills, casting in the wrong order, sloppy light attack weaving, with DoTs/buffs falling off, or recasting DoTs/buffs too early, etc., will do 15k DPS even in golded out perfected trial gear.
If you want to be a high end vet DPS, you need to find a good rotation and practice it until you can do it flawlessly in your sleep. There is an addon that will enable a metronome that is in time with the global cooldown. That can be really helpful to learn the timing of a tight rotation.
No, you don't need 100k trial dummy DPS to clear regular vet content. I regularly organize learning runs for vet trials and our official requirement is 35k, which basically only ensures that a DD doesn't just light attack or spam a single skill. Having said that, more DPS obviously helps tremendously. If the fight drags on, the group has to go through more rounds of mechanics and there are more chances for people to make mistakes.AvalonRanger wrote: »Do we really need 100K for the Vet contents?
Generally, it will be very difficult to reach dummy numbers on a single enemy target in actual content. Real buff and debuff uptimes won't be as good as on the trial dummy, plus there are many mechanics and other distractions in real fights. Having said that, DDs in optimized groups absolutely do reach that. For example, the highest single-target DPS against Taleria in vDSR HM is currently 152k DPS per ESO Logs.AvalonRanger wrote: »But is it really possible in the "real combat situation" even with decent tank or healer?
Some of DLC dungeon or trial boss has really notorious game mech, we can't do it
like the target dummy practice. If you're dead, then 100K skill become zero damage, right?
AvalonRanger wrote: »What does it mean "100K damage as DD" generally?
And, how long does average DD need until taking down "Target Iron Trial Atronach"? (21,002,944 health)
I tested it by my most reliable DD character, and I spend 14min for it. Is it average? or not?
If 100k is the typical benchmark for endgame dps, does that requirement change for support dps like zenkosh dk or ec cro? I have an IgneousEngulfingStaggerEncratisZenKosh dk that I am practicing using but I can barely crack 75k dps with him
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Are there people who can't parse but shine in actual content? Yes. But it is fairly rare. Most people who can't parse are bad in content, too. And you are just not gonna have many high end groups that want to bother with, "My dummy parse is awful but I'm really good, trust me, bro." They have likely been burned by that enough times to just not want to go down that road.
AvalonRanger wrote: »Honestly say.....I couldn't understand about "weaving" mech
even after check the Youtube tutorial.
Can anybody explain me about "weaving damage"?
(In a Nutshshell, it means...)
AvalonRanger wrote: »Honestly say.....I couldn't understand about "weaving" mech
even after check the Youtube tutorial.
Can anybody explain me about "weaving damage"?
(In a Nutshshell, it means...)
allochthons wrote: »The dummy isn't realistic at all. The people asking for your numbers know that. But there really isn't a better way, in game, to determine if the person they want to let into their guild / progression group / whatever is actually at the skill level they claim.*
The dummy is a measurable metric. It's also it's own little mini-game. Did you research how to parse? Do you know about parse food? Do you know you need to stand behind the dummy if using the backstabber CP? Did you take all the heal skills off, since you don't need them? As in, are you willing to put the effort into being a good DD?
After they get to know you and play with you, they'll know what content you can do. But they need somewhere to start, and thus, parsing.
On console, you submit videos, as someone mentioned. The parse itself, and then you show your gear, and at least your blue CP. Sometimes your food and mundus. Uploading an unlisted video to youtube is pretty standard, but they can be shared via PSN/discord/other methods as well.
* Someone in one of my guild chats today was talking about some person on Reddit claiming to have soloed vCR. Not soloed the portals. Soloed the whole trial. Uh, who sent the shards down? Who shared the hug mechanic? People claim some wacky stuff.