BLOOD FOR BLOOD!

DARKSTER1

Back in 2020 we had the whole "Magicka and Stamina" difference in specs. when the ability first came you could be healed creating an infinite spammable available only to magicka users.
The stamina players CRIED, and they were correct. So ZOS decided to make you unable to be healed for 3 seconds after using the ability!. But after the hybridization. THIS ISSUE IS NO MORE!.
So can we finally remove this nerf ? since now it could make the ability available for stamina users too? and not only that undeath gets nerfed too so nobody can use "undeath is OP in PVP" as an excuse. so whatya say, can the company finally lift the nerf?

LunaFlora

what does stamina and magicka have to do with Blood for Blood? the ability costs Health.
even if the cost were different anyone can use it.

i think it would be weird if zos removed "After casting the ability, you cannot be healed by allies for a short duration.",
because you're sacrificing your own health when using this ability and if you could be healed immediately then there isn't really a sacrifice.

Soarora

Yeah sure why not, lets people bring vampires into content without making healers frustrated. If people want to play a low-health vampire build they'll wear pale order or play solo anyways.

Urzigurumash

LunaFlora wrote: »

what does stamina and magicka have to do with Blood for Blood? the ability costs Health.
even if the cost were different anyone can use it.

i think it would be weird if zos removed "After casting the ability, you cannot be healed by allies for a short duration.",
because you're sacrificing your own health when using this ability and if you could be healed immediately then there isn't really a sacrifice.

It scaled same as Eviscerate, off Mag and Spell Dmg.

I'd be happy to see the change, akin somewhat to unnerfing Sun Shield and Swallow Soul, bring back some "unfair" playstyles if you can keep them tricky enough to not be meta.

Vaqual

Animation looks too stupid, can't take this ability seriously. Let me slash the enemy with my right hand, in which I will hold my actual main hand weapon 100 % of the time. It should really be a left-handed swipe. Other than that: I think it is in a reasonable spot, but a slight buff won't break it either.

tsaescishoeshiner

I don't think the block on being healed came because of stamina builds. The skill cost Health and happened to scale with Magicka, so I think that nerf would have happened whether the damage was scaling with Mag or Stam at the time, so I think it holds up. It would change things a lot to have a health-cost spammable be healable by others, especially in PvE.

Maybe the skill could use a buff, anyway.

notyuu

What if instead they just made the other morph have dynamic resource cost?

DARKSTER1

LunaFlora wrote: »

what does stamina and magicka have to do with Blood for Blood? the ability costs Health.
even if the cost were different anyone can use it.

i think it would be weird if zos removed "After casting the ability, you cannot be healed by allies for a short duration.",
because you're sacrificing your own health when using this ability and if you could be healed immediately then there isn't really a sacrifice.

back in 2020 the ability costed health yes. but it was a magic damage skill. outside of some exceptions that said (scales with your highest resource like DK inferno) magic damage skills scaled with magicka and physical damage skills with stamina. the stamina players back then CRIED that we magicka players had a free spammable (and overall they were right and back then sustain was bad) so the ability got nerfed

Now in 2024 with the hybridization and all. there's NO REASON to keep the ability on the "unhealable" side

DARKSTER1

Soarora wrote: »

Yeah sure why not, lets people bring vampires into content without making healers frustrated. If people want to play a low-health vampire build they'll wear pale order or play solo anyways.

Pale order is useless on trials

propertyOfUndefined

Sorry, but I don't understand the logic. What does the healing mechanic have to do with magicka or stamina? The mechanic was put in place to prevent infinite use of the ability while receiving cross-heals. Even if stamina players could use it before, the mechanic still would have been needed -- same as pale order.

LunaFlora

DARKSTER1 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

what does stamina and magicka have to do with Blood for Blood? the ability costs Health.
even if the cost were different anyone can use it.

i think it would be weird if zos removed "After casting the ability, you cannot be healed by allies for a short duration.",
because you're sacrificing your own health when using this ability and if you could be healed immediately then there isn't really a sacrifice.

back in 2020 the ability costed health yes. but it was a magic damage skill. outside of some exceptions that said (scales with your highest resource like DK inferno) magic damage skills scaled with magicka and physical damage skills with stamina. the stamina players back then CRIED that we magicka players had a free spammable (and overall they were right and back then sustain was bad) so the ability got nerfed

Now in 2024 with the hybridization and all. there's NO REASON to keep the ability on the "unhealable" side

it still costs health. are you thinking of Arterial Burst, the other morph of Eviscerate?

xDeusEJRx

The stipulation where you can't be healed is perfectly balanced imo. If they remove the option then you can just see anyone running around with BFB spamming BFB and then being healed back to full health via cross healing which removes the entire risk behind the skill.

Eviscerate as a skill is good as is and I don't want to see it or either morph changed any time soon

TX12001rwb17_ESO

They should make it so using eviscerate or it's morphs procs strike from shadows.

Lalothen

They could always have Blood for Blood proc heal absorption instead of blocking external healing outright. It should still be enough to make it a risky spammable... perhaps the amount of heal absorption could be a percentage of total health and scale based on the size of your group, capping out at let's say 60% of your maximum health in a 12-man group (so +5% for each person you're grouped with).

NuarBlack

Lalothen wrote: »

They could always have Blood for Blood proc heal absorption instead of blocking external healing outright. It should still be enough to make it a risky spammable... perhaps the amount of heal absorption could be a percentage of total health and scale based on the size of your group, capping out at let's say 60% of your maximum health in a 12-man group (so +5% for each person you're grouped with).

So you would make it completely unusable solo? Just switching the problem then.