Stolen Zenithar's Delightful Parcels still can't be laundered

MreeBiPolar

After the last event, it was mentioned that the issue with it being impossible to launder them and other drops (e.g. IC vault keys) has been fixed, but they still can't be laundered. Now they do show in the launder list, along with the price (13 gold), but it just doesn't work.

SeaGtGruff

It worked for me, but just to be sure-- you are trying to launder the contents, not the container as a whole, right?

GlassHalfFull

"Use" the container in order to launder the contents of the container.

MreeBiPolar

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It worked for me, but just to be sure-- you are trying to launder the contents, not the container as a whole, right?

Nope, I am trying to launder the container as a whole, just like Azandar's research portfolios.

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

"Use" the container in order to launder the contents of the container.

Not sure what you mean there. Using it in which interface? In laundering, it does not do anything at all, unlike other items. If you mean "open it and pull out the contents", then it doesn't launder anything.

SeaGtGruff

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

virtus753

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

Can’t you launder Research Portfolios? Or am I misremembering?

ETA:

So you can launder Research Portfolios, but the implementation here is likewise problematic.

You launder them for 0 gold, but none of their contents are laundered. That means you will end up "stealing" from an unowned container when you empty it, which is not clear or consistent. If you launder a Portfolio and then forget you laundered it, you can end up committing a crime unknowingly and get reported for it. All other criminal acts are clearly marked (red stealing/pickpocketing text, red "criminal act" warning on skills, etc.). Here you have to pay attention to the red icon next to the items in the container, and since those icons flash, you may well miss them if you're looting in a hurry and go by the unmarked status of the Portfolio itself. This needs clearer marking.

Laundering a Portfolio also counts against your daily launder limit, even though it didn't cost any gold and the only benefit to laundering it is that it (presumably) won't get confiscated if you get caught by the guards for any reason.

MreeBiPolar

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

Can’t you launder Research Portfolios? Or am I misremembering?

ETA:

So you can launder Research Portfolios, but the implementation here is likewise problematic.

You launder them for 0 gold, but none of their contents are laundered.

Wrong. If you launder them BEFORE opening, the contents are laundered. If you open and take a look in, the contents get "stolen" tag locked in, and laundering the portfolio doesn't launder the contents.

MreeBiPolar

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

I can successfully launder stolen Azandar's portfolios. Did it literally hundreds if not thousands of times by now.

I don't recall if I can launder the stolen goods containers from thieves' troves (and if they even appear in laundering interface), because I didn't even try it in forever and a half. They only ever contain treasure you can only sell, so there's no point.

But both portfolios and zen boxes have useful items.

SeaGtGruff

I've never even seen a research portfolio, since I haven't collected Azandar, so I'll have to take your word on that one.

But you cannot launder an entire event coffer that's "stolen." You can, however, launder their contents after you've removed everything from them. And since the cost of laundering an item is reflective of its value, and the total value of all the contents in an event coffer is going to vary a great deal from coffer to coffer, it is IMHO unreasonable to expect that you should be able to launder an unopened event coffer for a relative pittance when the total value of its contents far exceeds that amount.

MreeBiPolar

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I've never even seen a research portfolio, since I haven't collected Azandar, so I'll have to take your word on that one.

But you cannot launder an entire event coffer that's "stolen." You can, however, launder their contents after you've removed everything from them. And since the cost of laundering an item is reflective of its value, and the total value of all the contents in an event coffer is going to vary a great deal from coffer to coffer, it is IMHO unreasonable to expect that you should be able to launder an unopened event coffer for a relative pittance when the total value of its contents far exceeds that amount.

ALL of what you are saying is refuted by the fact it is also applicable to the Azandar's portfolios, which are laundered for a much more significant pittance of exactly zero gold.

(They can sometimes contain pretty valuable items, too.)

the1andonlyskwex

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I've never even seen a research portfolio, since I haven't collected Azandar, so I'll have to take your word on that one.

But you cannot launder an entire event coffer that's "stolen." You can, however, launder their contents after you've removed everything from them. And since the cost of laundering an item is reflective of its value, and the total value of all the contents in an event coffer is going to vary a great deal from coffer to coffer, it is IMHO unreasonable to expect that you should be able to launder an unopened event coffer for a relative pittance when the total value of its contents far exceeds that amount.

ALL of what you are saying is refuted by the fact it is also applicable to the Azandar's portfolios, which are laundered for a much more significant pittance of exactly zero gold.

(They can sometimes contain pretty valuable items, too.)

If anything, it sounds like Azandar's portfolios are the ones with the bug.

grumlins

I just open them without laundering them, you should be able to as well, it's not necessary to open stolen containers or stolen recipes, they should just open so you can get the goodies inside. I would suggest however doing it far away from npcs because opening stolen boxes of any kind will trigger a justice response even with some npcs who are following you during quests.

virtus753

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

Can’t you launder Research Portfolios? Or am I misremembering?

ETA:

So you can launder Research Portfolios, but the implementation here is likewise problematic.

You launder them for 0 gold, but none of their contents are laundered.

Wrong. If you launder them BEFORE opening, the contents are laundered. If you open and take a look in, the contents get "stolen" tag locked in, and laundering the portfolio doesn't launder the contents.

Thanks for confirming that you can indeed launder the portfolio and yet not have the contents laundered too. The fact there’s a different behavior if you look in it as opposed to if you don’t makes this implementation even worse in terms clarity and consistency. And the fact that Portfolios seem to be much more the exception rather than the rule (in terms of being able to launder them at all, in terms of the zero value, in terms of it not clearing the contents’ stolen tag in some situations) makes me inclined to agree with the poster above that Portfolios are the ones bugged.

MreeBiPolar

virtus753 wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You cannot launder or fence containers. Try laundering or fencing one of those containers of stolen goods that you can find in Thieves Troves, which usually contain 5 or 10 of some "treasure" item-- you cannot launder or fence those containers, either. You must open the container and remove its contents, after which you can launder or fence the contents.

Can’t you launder Research Portfolios? Or am I misremembering?

ETA:

So you can launder Research Portfolios, but the implementation here is likewise problematic.

You launder them for 0 gold, but none of their contents are laundered.

Wrong. If you launder them BEFORE opening, the contents are laundered. If you open and take a look in, the contents get "stolen" tag locked in, and laundering the portfolio doesn't launder the contents.

Thanks for confirming that you can indeed launder the portfolio and yet not have the contents laundered too. The fact there’s a different behavior if you look in it as opposed to if you don’t makes this implementation even worse in terms clarity and consistency. And the fact that Portfolios seem to be much more the exception rather than the rule (in terms of being able to launder them at all, in terms of the zero value, in terms of it not clearing the contents’ stolen tag in some situations) makes me inclined to agree with the poster above that Portfolios are the ones bugged.

Wow, that's some bending over backwards logic right there, not once but twice