Maarselok META is super lame

hesobad · March 19

I swear ZOS ALWAYS seems to mess up PvP with these busted sets. There is absolutely no skill is required right now in PvP content, just slot a couple dots, run maarselok and youre good to go! Make yourself as durable as possible and just kill everyone with these OP dots and Maarselok procs. [snip]

[edited for bashing]

hesobad · March 19

Oh I forgot to add that if you run Maarselok on a arcanist its even easier due to its buggy stun locks that you can't cc break because the arcanist can glitch your player and make cc break unresponsive

StarOfElyon · March 19

All the good players run masters dual wield, Vate ice staff, and maarselok. Like Isth3reno1else used to say before he quit, these are just "skill enhancing sets".

Solariken · March 19

Maarselok has been around a long time and was not considered that strong until recently. It's actually the free status effect spam from Ele Sus at the root of the problem. Coupled of course with Vate ice and Master's DW DOTs makes Maarselok really shine.

xylena_lazarow · March 19

None of these things are strong on their own, they come together to form a synergistic build. There's nothing wrong with that, if you're dying to "a couple dots" that's a skill issue on you.

Cast_El · March 19

StarOfElyon wrote: »

All the good players run masters dual wield, Vate ice staff, and maarselok. Like Isth3reno1else used to say before he quit, these are just "skill enhancing sets".

No I am a good a player and I don't run proc set on my main. I know other good player and they doesn't wear cheesy proc set either.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 19

When people said that the MDW nerf would end this meta, I laughed long and loud. The arena weapons were always only a small part of the problem. Yes, they hit hard, but it’s the things they enable that are worse.

sharquez · March 19

A player who plays or attempts to play optimally is a good player, whether that be by the sets they wear or mastery of skill and timing, positioning, and ability to perform in content.
One who handicaps themselves out of a sense of pride may not be a bad player but one seeking further challenge, and
they will get it, but they must recognize that they cannot blame anyone but themselves for not utilizing every tool at their disposal.

Udrath · March 19

This game isn’t an rpg anymore lol

taugrim · March 19

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

When people said that the MDW nerf would end this meta, I laughed long and loud. The arena weapons were always only a small part of the problem. Yes, they hit hard, but it’s the things they enable that are worse.

It lessens the DPS pressure, but MDW + Rending Slashes is really good.

The real problem is zero-cost debuff + escalating DoT from Vate staff.

DigiAngel · March 19

Can someone explain this? I'm looking at these sets right now...I'm not following how they synergize.

DigiAngel · March 19

I mean..I can see Wrath of Elements and Maarselok...but DW? How does Executioners Blade help here?

SkaraMinoc · March 19

taugrim wrote: »

The real problem is zero-cost debuff + escalating DoT from Vate staff.

I recently tested Kynmarcher front + Vate back and it outperforms Kynmarcher back + Maarselok. The staff is so good.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 19

DigiAngel wrote: »

I mean..I can see Wrath of Elements and Maarselok...but DW? How does Executioners Blade help here?

The Master’s Perfected Mace/Dagger/Sword/Axe

*2 perfected items: Adds 526 Critical Chance. Twin Slashes deals 209 more damage for each hit of the initial attack and bleed. This effect scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.

That’s the arena weapon we’re talking about. Dragonstar Arena, not Maelstrom Arena. And that’s after the nerf. Pre-u41, the second effect was:

*Increases the damage Twin Slashed deals by 1635 more damage for each hit of the initial attack and bleed.

Urzigurumash · March 19

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

The real problem is zero-cost debuff + escalating DoT from Vate staff.

I recently tested Kynmarcher front + Vate back and it outperforms Kynmarcher back + Maarselok. The staff is so good.

Yeah cuz Kynmarchers only procs off Direct, it should proc off DoTs too like its brother Daedric Trickery

xylena_lazarow · March 19

DigiAngel wrote: »

Can someone explain this? I'm looking at these sets right now...I'm not following how they synergize.

Dot stacking with Draugrkin, Relequen, Way of Fire, etc. These dot sets need to be all combined (alongside class pressure skills) to hit the critical mass of damage needed to pressure down enemy players through hots and burst heals. None of them do anything on their own, nobody is dying to Maarselok in isolation (god I hope not), and Draugrkin is actively terrible if you just slap it on a random build. You still need burst from an ultimate and direct spammable to close kills.

Consider also that you rarely see NBs or ranged mag sorcs running around with Maarselok or Vatesh destro, because there are sets and playstyles more synergistic with their kits. If these things were truly overpowered, even all the NBs and ranged mag sorcs would be running them, but they are not. Templars generally do not either.

DigiAngel · March 19

Appreciate the explanations all. Have to admit I've only seen one Maarselok in BG....never in Cyro.

StarOfElyon · March 20

Cast_El wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

All the good players run masters dual wield, Vate ice staff, and maarselok. Like Isth3reno1else used to say before he quit, these are just "skill enhancing sets".

No I am a good a player and I don't run proc set on my main. I know other good player and they doesn't wear cheesy proc set either.

I fear the sarcasm was lost in my post. 😂

StarOfElyon · March 20

Urzigurumash wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

The real problem is zero-cost debuff + escalating DoT from Vate staff.

I recently tested Kynmarcher front + Vate back and it outperforms Kynmarcher back + Maarselok. The staff is so good.

Yeah cuz Kynmarchers only procs off Direct, it should proc off DoTs too like its brother Daedric Trickery

That limitation keeps it from being too strong. If you could just put a dot on someone and forget about it, it would probably become the meta.

IV_Deity · March 25

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

None of these things are strong on their own, they come together to form a synergistic build. There's nothing wrong with that, if you're dying to "a couple dots" that's a skill issue on you.

Found the Arcanist Maarselok dot user.

xylena_lazarow · March 25

IV_Deity wrote: »

Found the Arcanist Maarselok dot user.

I'm a lifelong unapologetic dot and proc lover, rivaling @DrNukenstein for world's #1 proc enjoyer. Twin Sisters 2014, SnB Viper Tremor, full pen bleed stack MDW, various Malacath 25% proc builds, Way of Fire, flat damage MDW, Vatesh Destro, Draugrkin, nerfed scaling MDW, and more! Nah not Maarselok arc for open world though, Roksa.

DrNukenstein · March 25

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

IV_Deity wrote: »

Found the Arcanist Maarselok dot user.

I'm a lifelong unapologetic dot and proc lover, rivaling @DrNukenstein for world's #1 proc enjoyer. Twin Sisters 2014, SnB Viper Tremor, full pen bleed stack MDW, various Malacath 25% proc builds, Way of Fire, flat damage MDW, Vatesh Destro, Draugrkin, nerfed scaling MDW, and more! Nah not Maarselok arc for open world though, Roksa.

As the other #1 used proc salesman of Tamriel, I am delighted to confirm that Maarselok's reign as baddest 2 slot proc in the game is over.

It is now time to clown up and get down with the hatchet.