War Torte Recipe - - - -Joke, Insult, or Insanity

weins201

Ok so this is the reward to having / consuming the diff War Torte's
Clovian - 50% Boost AVA for 30 Minutes
Molten - 100% Boost Ava for 30 Minutes
White Gold - 150% Boost AVA boost for 30 minutes

BUT the COST to make them is just plain I N S A N E, fist off you need to Fine the Clovian War Torte Recipe Extremely Rare in Resource Nod Location in CYrodil - ok then you read to learn how to make a Clvian War Torte . . . .

NOW you can spend 500,000 tel var to buy a Dissertation to read to Improve the Clovian War Torte RECIPIE (you have ot have another recipe) to learn how to make the Molten War Tortes. Now you know how to make a Molten War Torte - BUT you need 40 - (yes destroy 40 Clovian War Tortes) and another ingredient that take another 100K tel var to make ONE Molten War Torte. Soooo just to make one Molten War torte you hade to find 2 Clovian War Torte Recipies and spend 500K tel var just to learn how to make them. Then use 40 Clovian War Torts and spend another 100K tel var for another ingredient to make a Molten War Torte ***** you give up 20 hours of 50% to get 30 Minutes of 100% who is that nutz.


WHITE GOLD WAR TORTE - even more insane- you need to get lucky like no one ever does and get tis recipe from doing INSANE Battlegrounds. if for some you do get this lucky you now need to also have the RECIPEI for Molten War Torte (THE RECIPEI) avail to read sooo now you need another Clovian War Torte Recipes, ANOTHER 500K TelVar Dissertation, to get another Molten War Torte Recipie and then leqrn it up to White Gold - - - - -

Now you need One Molten War Torte (40 Clovian War Tortes, and a 100K tel Var Ingredient) and now another extremely E X T R E E M L Y rare resource from CYrodil - to make a White Gold War Torte = 150% Boost for 30 Minutes which you still lose because you gave up 20 hours at 50% to get? No to include the time spent trying to get the other resources needed to get to this level.


Clovian War Torte is ok as is 50% for 30 minutes.
Molten War torte should be 1000% for 30 minutes OR 100 % for at least 24 hours
Now if you are luck enough to have obtained and willing to spend all you have earned to have a White Gold War Torte in your inv then you SHOULD GET - 1000% boost for 24 hours no matter what.


The bonus for being and Overlord are north offsetting in any way PvP wise just aesthetics. Soo what is the loss.

Trade off is NOT worth time / effort / COST for Clovian to Molten in any way shape or form. White Gold, if you have played enough to find these items then Reward such play.

sarahthes

*Colovian

virtus753

The higher two tiers are not going to be worth the cost for most players. I see them as collector's items.

For the 50% war torte, you've listed the recipe as part of the cost of a torte. But you do not need to find or learn the recipe to get the benefits of the torte. I found the recipe once and now make it for guildies if they send me the citrus, which isn't at all bad to earn or buy. If you needed to know the recipe yourself to use the torte, that would be highly problematic. Since that's not the case, I don't think it should be considered in the cost of benefitting from it.

fizl101

Where are you reading you need 40 colovian war tortes to make one Molten war torte?

Necrotech_Master

the 50% colovian torte is the cheapest and most sustainable option

once you get one recipe your pretty much good, the last 2 recipes while they need the colovian to create, are not necessarily worth the cost

JerBearESO

But if you collect a bunch of the best ones, then you grind your brain to actually literal mush, then you can get first place score in cyro.

Wooooo.....

Treeshka

JerBearESO wrote: »

But if you collect a bunch of the best ones, then you grind your brain to actually literal mush, then you can get first place score in cyro.

Wooooo.....

It does not affect the score nor affects the raw Alliance Point gain. It only affects the amount of Alliance Rank Points you get for your Alliance Rank.

CGPsaint

Comment deleted as my views and opinions are not relevant to ZoS.

Jaraal

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

DigiAngel

It's all three really. Never seen the recipe in the wild...seen it guild shops for a cool million...laugh.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

sarahthes wrote: »

*Colovian

For future reference, you can edit your post by clicking the little gear icon on the bottom left.

On topic, I just bought the base recipe as a Christmas present to myself a few years ago, and now I make the Tortes for guildies and sometimes just randomly gift them to people in the zone during Mayhem. I’ve never seen any of the recipes in the ‘wild’.

virtus753

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

*Colovian

For future reference, you can edit your post by clicking the little gear icon on the bottom left.

On topic, I just bought the base recipe as a Christmas present to myself a few years ago, and now I make the Tortes for guildies and sometimes just randomly gift them to people in the zone during Mayhem. I’ve never seen any of the recipes in the ‘wild’.

That was not the OP who posted the correction.

katanagirl1

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

32???? I have visited every website I could find about farming these, and got some tips from a player in my guild who farms them, and I have yet to find one. I take time just to farm them but I am also in Cyrodiil just about every day doing PvP activities. I must have some epically bad rng.

SeaGtGruff

I've found the initial recipe on both PC NA and PC EU.

I found it twice on PC EU-- once on my main character, and again on my newest character who I'd taken to under-L50 Cyrodiil to get the mount riding buff.

I found it once on PC NA on my main character.

I had to take screenshots each time so I could refresh my memory about the color of the green glow.

Jaraal

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

32???? I have visited every website I could find about farming these, and got some tips from a player in my guild who farms them, and I have yet to find one. I take time just to farm them but I am also in Cyrodiil just about every day doing PvP activities. I must have some epically bad rng.

Well, I've spent a lot of time farming them. And with experience comes insight. So there are some things I may know that aren't common knowledge.

I'll give you one tip. People who ride around looking for the recipes miss a large percentage of them. The reason being that the books are not very tall. And when ZOS originally laid out the spawn points for resource nodes, they apparently used the taller items. There are certain flowers and mushrooms that are partially buried underground.... and the books work like that, too. Many of the ones I've found were very hard to see. In fact, even with Keen Eye 3 in all types of nodes, some of the Lost Imperial Notes could only be noticed by just a few wispy strands poking out of the ground, meaning, too low for any visible green glow. And more than one has been completely buried. I would not have known one was even there had I not moused over the known location, and seen the name appear on my screen.

So your best chance to find them is to be on foot, and looking carefully at all the spawn locations. In fact, I've seen players ride right past them before, because they weren't very obvious. Never take for granted that they can all be seen from 50 yards away.

FlopsyPrince

Jaraal wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

32???? I have visited every website I could find about farming these, and got some tips from a player in my guild who farms them, and I have yet to find one. I take time just to farm them but I am also in Cyrodiil just about every day doing PvP activities. I must have some epically bad rng.

Well, I've spent a lot of time farming them. And with experience comes insight. So there are some things I may know that aren't common knowledge.

I'll give you one tip. People who ride around looking for the recipes miss a large percentage of them. The reason being that the books are not very tall. And when ZOS originally laid out the spawn points for resource nodes, they apparently used the taller items. There are certain flowers and mushrooms that are partially buried underground.... and the books work like that, too. Many of the ones I've found were very hard to see. In fact, even with Keen Eye 3 in all types of nodes, some of the Lost Imperial Notes could only be noticed by just a few wispy strands poking out of the ground, meaning, too low for any visible green glow. And more than one has been completely buried. I would not have known one was even there had I not moused over the known location, and seen the name appear on my screen.

So your best chance to find them is to be on foot, and looking carefully at all the spawn locations. In fact, I've seen players ride right past them before, because they weren't very obvious. Never take for granted that they can all be seen from 50 yards away.

That is not good game design!

dcrush

Jaraal wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

The player created Molten and White Gold tortes are in the game as a justification for them selling the scroll versions of them in the crown store. It's technically not pay to win if you have a chance (even if it's millions to one) to acquire the necessary items in-game.

However, as counterpoints: I have found 32 Colovian War Torte recipes lying on the ground since they were first introduced. I learned one, and sold the rest. They have gone a long way towards financing my consumables, armor, housing interests, and whatnot. They aren't hard to find.... if you know what you're doing.

Alos, ZOS killed the reagent market when they started dropping like candy from the Infinite Archive Archival Sack of Provisions. Mourning Dew and Rubyblossom Extract, once multi-million gold items, now take up 20-30 pages of listings on TTC. So, they are somewhat easier to craft now.

32???? I have visited every website I could find about farming these, and got some tips from a player in my guild who farms them, and I have yet to find one. I take time just to farm them but I am also in Cyrodiil just about every day doing PvP activities. I must have some epically bad rng.

Well, I've spent a lot of time farming them. And with experience comes insight. So there are some things I may know that aren't common knowledge.

I'll give you one tip. People who ride around looking for the recipes miss a large percentage of them. The reason being that the books are not very tall. And when ZOS originally laid out the spawn points for resource nodes, they apparently used the taller items. There are certain flowers and mushrooms that are partially buried underground.... and the books work like that, too. Many of the ones I've found were very hard to see. In fact, even with Keen Eye 3 in all types of nodes, some of the Lost Imperial Notes could only be noticed by just a few wispy strands poking out of the ground, meaning, too low for any visible green glow. And more than one has been completely buried. I would not have known one was even there had I not moused over the known location, and seen the name appear on my screen.

So your best chance to find them is to be on foot, and looking carefully at all the spawn locations. In fact, I've seen players ride right past them before, because they weren't very obvious. Never take for granted that they can all be seen from 50 yards away.

So keen eye has an effect on the Lost Imperial notes? The reason I ask is because HarvestMap doesn’t register it as a spawned node when you’ve got the filter set to only show spawned resources.

And I turned off keen eye to not get distracted by every glowing thing I see in Cyro. I’ve found three so far.

Edit: and have you found any Mourning Dew during your farming? I’ve not found a single one since it was introduced.

BenTSG

I think I've found a total of maybe 4 books, and have got 3 Dews. One Dew I randomly found after maybe two years of having switched to doing my harvesting in Cyro, (So I've been harvesting there for a *very* long time, as well as off and on again before it) and the other two Dews I must have found during the double node drops in Cryo last event. I intend to keep them. I decided to get the 100% recipe too, just because I wanted it but I doubt that'll see any use, and the 150% recipe? I've given up on that idea before it even began! The first two are easy enough to get, but the third is just crazy

Silaf

Well the only usable one is the colovian war torte. You can purchase it for a couple of millions on PC EU is not the end of the world.

The other 2 versions are pratically useless and only for collectors.
Those are the few items remaining dedicated to give somthing to strive for to old players.

Recently zos made one of such items "banner of the sixt house" a common drop. Think how people that farmed it or purchased it for 300 millions feel...

SkaraMinoc

Those tortes are so expensive that the recipes are collector's items and nothing more.

Jaraal

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

That is not good game design!

Correct. And many of the resource nodes are floating in midair, as are hundreds of trees, rocks, and other objects in Cyrodiil. In fact, there's one spot that has remained untouched for ten years where a corner of water (the water is placed in giant squares, and the edges hidden by landscaping) is poking out from under a rock and floating in midair.

dcrush wrote: »

So keen eye has an effect on the Lost Imperial notes? The reason I ask is because HarvestMap doesn’t register it as a spawned node when you’ve got the filter set to only show spawned resources.

And I turned off keen eye to not get distracted by every glowing thing I see in Cyro. I’ve found three so far.

Edit: and have you found any Mourning Dew during your farming? I’ve not found a single one since it was introduced.

The draw distance of the notes is set to maximum for everybody, regardless of passives. However, the height of the radiating glow lines affects whether or not you can see the buried examples, as often that is the only part of it you can see. And I never use that mode of HarvestMap simply because it's not accurate. There are thousands of nodes in Cyrodiil, and once one is harvested, another one respawns.... but it could be 10,000 yards away, the zone is so large.

I understand what you're saying about the distraction, however, if I'm on foot running from node to node, I'm harvesting as well. I'm not going to waste time being non-productive if I don't find any recipes. And I've made millions just harvesting normal resources while looking for the notes. Plus, that's the only way you're going to find the Dews.... by harvesting resources. And Aetherial Dust does drop in Cyro as well.

I've found one Mourning Dew in hundreds of hours of farming. But they are basically worthless now, due to ZOS making them common in the Archive bags.

ApoAlaia

Jaraal wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

That is not good game design!

Correct. And many of the resource nodes are floating in midair, as are hundreds of trees, rocks, and other objects in Cyrodiil. In fact, there's one spot that has remained untouched for ten years where a corner of water (the water is placed in giant squares, and the edges hidden by landscaping) is poking out from under a rock and floating in midair.

dcrush wrote: »

So keen eye has an effect on the Lost Imperial notes? The reason I ask is because HarvestMap doesn’t register it as a spawned node when you’ve got the filter set to only show spawned resources.

And I turned off keen eye to not get distracted by every glowing thing I see in Cyro. I’ve found three so far.

Edit: and have you found any Mourning Dew during your farming? I’ve not found a single one since it was introduced.

The draw distance of the notes is set to maximum for everybody, regardless of passives. However, the height of the radiating glow lines affects whether or not you can see the buried examples, as often that is the only part of it you can see. And I never use that mode of HarvestMap simply because it's not accurate. There are thousands of nodes in Cyrodiil, and once one is harvested, another one respawns.... but it could be 10,000 yards away, the zone is so large.

I understand what you're saying about the distraction, however, if I'm on foot running from node to node, I'm harvesting as well. I'm not going to waste time being non-productive if I don't find any recipes. And I've made millions just harvesting normal resources while looking for the notes. Plus, that's the only way you're going to find the Dews.... by harvesting resources. And Aetherial Dust does drop in Cyro as well.

I've found one Mourning Dew in hundreds of hours of farming. But they are basically worthless now, due to ZOS making them common in the Archive bags.

Mourning Dew was always 'worthless'; if you have the WGT recipe learned it drops regularly from Cyro nodes.

Whether this is deliberate or accidental that cannot say, only ZOS knows and ZOS is not telling.

During one particular Mayhem event the drop rate was actually the same for both knowers and non-knowers of the recipe. I still have like 20 Dews from that event in my craft bag (I find farming nodes in Cyro a calming activity during the event, I don't take well to PvP...).

Whether this was an instancing error with the 7-day campaigns or something else altogether again don't know; only ZOS knows and again ZOS is not telling.

People who were buying Dew from traders to make WGT in all likelihood were doing so because they never tried farming nodes in Cyro and assumed that the drop rate was in the same ballpark as Aetherial Dust.

However the cat is out of the basket now and it is common knowledge (to the 'recipe havers'), hence the price tanking.

Baking WGT was a good gig when one could buy the recipe for under 100M and there were precious few people with it, even fewer actually baking to trade.

Now however, is more of a ludicrously expensive vanity item. It would take a long long time to make the asking price [of the recipe] back by selling WGT.

Maybe, just maybe if the baker is also keen on farming Tel Var[*] (thus not having to buy Rubyblossom Extract from Tel Var farmers, the real gatekeeper here), but farming Tel Var is definitely an acquired taste.

[*] Archival Sack of Provisions apparently can also 'drop' Rubyblossom Extract but I don't know how common it is.

Scaletho

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Guysheeda_1

I have found three base tortes in the "wild" within the area around Chorrol and all within two weeks of each other.
Used one, sold one, still have one.
I've see at least three others in that same general area in the last year.

Tommy_The_Gun

The main issue with War Tortes is that for the most part those are 100% not worth the effort.

1st - It only boosts AW skill line and not the AW rank. Grinding AW rank is slow, while AW skill line is relatively fast to grind.

2nd - You get War Tortes by doing PvE exploration. You can not get it by doing actual PvP or PvP quests which is... a really bad design.

3rd - War Tortes have insanely low drop rate. This is also reflected by the prices on the market. And the prices are also way too high for any sane person to even considered them vs what you get for the amount of cash you pay.

virtus753

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The main issue with War Tortes is that for the most part those are 100% not worth the effort.

1st - It only boosts AW skill line and not the AW rank. Grinding AW rank is slow, while AW skill line is relatively fast to grind.

2nd - You get War Tortes by doing PvE exploration. You can not get it by doing actual PvP or PvP quests which is... a really bad design.

3rd - War Tortes have insanely low drop rate. This is also reflected by the prices on the market. And the prices are also way too high for any sane person to even considered them vs what you get for the amount of cash you pay.

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

It does not boost leaderboard points.

ETA: Confirmed as intended by ZOS, too: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7139253/#Comment_7139253

ArchangelIsraphel

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The main issue with War Tortes is that for the most part those are 100% not worth the effort.

1st - It only boosts AW skill line and not the AW rank. Grinding AW rank is slow, while AW skill line is relatively fast to grind.

2nd - You get War Tortes by doing PvE exploration. You can not get it by doing actual PvP or PvP quests which is... a really bad design.

3rd - War Tortes have insanely low drop rate. This is also reflected by the prices on the market. And the prices are also way too high for any sane person to even considered them vs what you get for the amount of cash you pay.

This is not correct. The war tortes do boost AvA/AW rank and this is the main reason they are sought after.

ApoAlaia

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The main issue with War Tortes is that for the most part those are 100% not worth the effort.

1st - It only boosts AW skill line and not the AW rank. Grinding AW rank is slow, while AW skill line is relatively fast to grind.

It boosts AvA rank as mentioned.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

2nd - You get War Tortes by doing PvE exploration. You can not get it by doing actual PvP or PvP quests which is... a really bad design.

You can find the recipe for Colovian War Torte while riding through Cyro from one PvP target to the next.

Furthermore harvesting nodes is a game activity, not a PvE activity. Everyone needs to procure reagents and materials regardless of whether your favour one game mode over another.

The other two recipes, one is purchased with Tel Var, the other has an infinitesimal chance to drop from BG rewards, both very much PvP.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

3rd - War Tortes have insanely low drop rate. This is also reflected by the prices on the market. And the prices are also way too high for any sane person to even considered them vs what you get for the amount of cash you pay.

That is something that, like the air conditioning, can never be adjusted to please everyone.

For every person that feels that the RNG is too punishing there is another whose cravings are not being met.

Jaraal

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

virtus753

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The main issue with War Tortes is that for the most part those are 100% not worth the effort.

1st - It only boosts AW skill line and not the AW rank. Grinding AW rank is slow, while AW skill line is relatively fast to grind.

2nd - You get War Tortes by doing PvE exploration. You can not get it by doing actual PvP or PvP quests which is... a really bad design.

3rd - War Tortes have insanely low drop rate. This is also reflected by the prices on the market. And the prices are also way too high for any sane person to even considered them vs what you get for the amount of cash you pay.

This is not correct. The war tortes do boost AvA/AW rank and this is the main reason they are sought after.

Thank you for posting the updated info card. I believe the tooltip originally failed to specify that it affected rank at first, and they later fixed it. I know that caused some confusion initially.

irswat

Jaraal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

It does boost rank. Rank progress always goes hand and hand with skill line progress.

Yes, it's 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50 (Grand Overlord), but only about 42 million if you have the 50% tortes active at all times.

Scaletho wrote: »

Totally agree with you. This torte recipe and rewards are the ultimate grind ordeal and lesser results.

Actually, the Morrowind Banner of the 6th House has held that title for the seven years that it's been in the game. But ZOS essentially threw everyone under the bus who's ever spent time farming it, or spent millions of gold to acquire this rare treasure when they made it a common drop with Update 42.

I wouldn't call it common. Have farmed in there a bunch since the update and only found 1. Before the patch you could not actually farm it. Pure rng