This event always brings out the jerks

tauriel01

who queue as tank or healer--whether or not they really can play that role--and repeatedly group til they get a dungeon they are willing to do. Meanwhile, they leave a bunch of gimped groups in their wake, many of which can't complete the content and DF won't give them a 4th, so now THEY ALSO have the 15 min cooldown. The 15 mins "penalty" for doing so isn't even enough of a "penalty" to be laughable. It's virtually non-existent. Just log out that toon, and on to the next fake tank or fake healer. by the time you actually do a dungeon... or have cycled thru all your alt....the first one is no longer on cooldown. Hey ZOS... how about actually PENALIZING ACCOUNTS for being self centered jerks?

shadyjane62

Agreed. No longer do event.

CrashTest

How about we stop asking ZOS to punish the entire playerbase because inconsiderate players and use the solution already available to us all - make your own group. If you don't want to do that, then understand that you will actually get random when you sign up for a random.

MidniteOwl1913

CrashTest wrote: »

How about we stop asking ZOS to punish the entire playerbase because inconsiderate players and use the solution already available to us all - make your own group. If you don't want to do that, then understand that you will actually get random when you sign up for a random.

Because some of us don't *want* to make our own groups. We want to be able on the spur of the moment decide to do a random dungeon and have some reasonable expectation that players in the support roles are actually intending to support not just speed run ahead and leave everyone else to deal with the ever-growing trash mob they leave in their wake.

I would just like to see the other players treat the intent of the 4 man group tank, healer, and 2 DD with a modicum of respect and not just use it as a means to their own ends.

Tyrant_Tim

What about fake damage dealers?

CrashTest

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

How about we stop asking ZOS to punish the entire playerbase because inconsiderate players and use the solution already available to us all - make your own group. If you don't want to do that, then understand that you will actually get random when you sign up for a random.

Because some of us don't *want* to make our own groups. We want to be able on the spur of the moment decide to do a random dungeon and have some reasonable expectation that players in the support roles are actually intending to support not just speed run ahead and leave everyone else to deal with the ever-growing trash mob they leave in their wake.

I would just like to see the other players treat the intent of the 4 man group tank, healer, and 2 DD with a modicum of respect and not just use it as a means to their own ends.

If you don't want to make your own group then expect inconsiderate people when you use the random pug finder. It would be great if everyone had some consideration for others but that's not reality.

Braffin

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

How about we stop asking ZOS to punish the entire playerbase because inconsiderate players and use the solution already available to us all - make your own group. If you don't want to do that, then understand that you will actually get random when you sign up for a random.

Because some of us don't *want* to make our own groups. We want to be able on the spur of the moment decide to do a random dungeon and have some reasonable expectation that players in the support roles are actually intending to support not just speed run ahead and leave everyone else to deal with the ever-growing trash mob they leave in their wake.

I would just like to see the other players treat the intent of the 4 man group tank, healer, and 2 DD with a modicum of respect and not just use it as a means to their own ends.

If you don't want to form your own group, you shouldn't complain if you don't get the group you were looking for.

It's as easy as that.

Jaimeh

Braffin wrote: »

If you don't want to form your own group, you shouldn't complain if you don't get the group you were looking for.

It's as easy as that.

That's not a very helpful take, after all person didn't ask for a super optimized group, just a group where members can likely fulfill their roles, which is both reasonable and expected.

VaranisArano

CrashTest wrote: »

How about we stop asking ZOS to punish the entire playerbase because inconsiderate players and use the solution already available to us all - make your own group. If you don't want to do that, then understand that you will actually get random when you sign up for a random.

Why are you treating the default as "random player who queued up with zero intention of fulfilling their tank/healer role"?

That's not the default.

The default is a tank, healer, and two damage dealers. That's what you choose to queue up as. That's the norm the Devs design these dungeons around.

If anything, the players who want to run as non-default 4-DD groups/no tank groups ought to be the ones making their own groups. But they won't, because their whole shtick is abusing the tank queue for faster access to a group.

Vaqual

ah, this thread again

LokiPagan

I love the people who are defensive whenever fake roles are brought up, because they're absolutely the ones doing it. The entitlement is insulting - my time is worth more than your time, so I'm going to fail this dungeon for you because I DESERVE to get in here instantly. My mommy says I'm special.

We can report people for spamming or threats, let's add a report button for fake roles, if they're reported enough times, ban them from queueing for the day. Or add a harsher, account-wide punishment for multiple leaves - if a player leaves or is kicked from three parties or so, make the account banned from queuing until reset. Simple as that. If you don't want to play by the rules, don't play - or hey, make your own party full of fake everything. You're good enough to fake it through, right?

Of course, the fake-queuer's response will be, "but this can be abused!"
Well, the queue is already being abused. It's not fair to punish three players for one entitled baby.

Hapexamendios

I'm either soloing or going with friends. I don't want to deal with random idiocy.

Rohamad_Ali

Man I use to get yelled at wearing my vicious death suit in the dungeons. People lose their tempers fast when you're a humble new player. Still have dungeon ptsd.

polaris86

In base dungeons I don't care. Don't need a full group usually. But I hate getting a fake healer in DLC.

I wish there was an option to queue for a Random BASE Dungeon only (would be good for those that have ESO+ so all the DLC is unlocked, but don't want to do those harder dungeons)

Twohothardware

Why don’t all of you guys stop complaining about fake tanks and be the tank yourself. Dps and healers are easily replaced in the queue.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I usually heal and stick to normal dungeons to avoid some of the issues with fake roles. That doesn’t stop people from dropping if it’s a DLC dungeon. And I’ve still had problems because someone ran ahead without killing all or even most of the mobs.

I’m admittedly not bothered at all if those same people get overwhelmed by said mobs before I can catch up to patch them up.

Nezyr_Jezz

Twohothardware wrote: »

Why don’t all of you guys stop complaining about fake tanks and be the tank yourself. Dps and healers are easily replaced in the queue.

True. And to add - people complaing about the queue forget about game format: MMO - if you don't make friends you will not see the content. Be a tank/healer yourself then, adjust to the randomness of the queue or make friends. The choice is yours.

SilverBride

I can't imagine how long it would take to find a group if there weren't any fake tanks and we had to wait for a real one to be available. They are actually doing us a service.

OtarTheMad

I can’t wait until this event is over. I’m not a fan at all of it. Glad that people who enjoy it have fun but hard pass for me.

YstradClud

I only specifically queue DLC dungeons and have had no problems at all so far on PC. I hate pugging dungeons on console though.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's event related.

Thank you for your understanding

boi_anachronism_

Dude ive tanked as a dps in dlc dungeons more times then i can count over the years and im still not as angry as y'all damn. Heck i had to do it tonight in stone garden. And no i dont fake que before you jump on that. If i do a different group comp its with friends for achievement runs.

boi_anachronism_

SilverBride wrote: »

I can't imagine how long it would take to find a group if there weren't any fake tanks and we had to wait for a real one to be available. They are actually doing us a service.

Eh no. If they put on a taunt and a shield and hold the mob i dun care if you are a dps. Otherwise it becomes someone else job. In my case its pretty much always me. I deal with it but dont encourage it..sheesh

katanagirl1

Why does everyone here treat players who want others to fulfill their role like they’re entitled or something? It’s the fake queue players who are being entitled because they can’t wait in the dps queue like the rest of us.

Lugaldu

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

What about fake damage dealers?

There is no fake DD, everyone does damage, some more, others less. Of course, the damage is lower for beginner players/chars than for experienced players. That's perfectly logical, but should that mean banning someone from grouping up for a dungeon? I do not think so.

Dojohoda

I queued as a real tank. I queued the dungeons, mostly dlc, that I wanted for gears, etcetera. I must've run at least 20 dungeons with pugs. It worked out well.

Sarannah

Yep, this sucks. ZOS should fix this problem ASAP, as it is the biggest problem ESO is facing right now. Even I, who loves doing dungeons, am no longer doing any of them. Right now it is two tickets and I'm done.

Fix this ZOS, this issue is going to destroy the game!

PS: Yes it is that serious!

ApoAlaia

I give you the new and improved version 2.0 of 'How to appropriately use the dungeon finder':

Pre-requisites:

- You need two accounts.
- You need to remember that you can control only one account at a time.

Due to the peculiarities of the finder if you have two characters in the group, one flagged as DD and the other flagged as either support role and the one flagged as DD is the leader the queue will pop almost instantly.

Once successfully ported to the dungeon in question you have a couple of choices depending on how much integrity you have left.

If you are of the mindset that other people are just extras in your film you can keep the alt in the instance and force the other two players to either carry it or disband, the vote to kick won't pass.

Bonus for this option: you can even force the other two players to carry both your accounts, you can just LA once every so often - on one account at a time! - if you feel like it and contribute to the legend of the 'fake DPS'.

If however you have some semblance of shame left you can expunge the alt from the instance and pretend that a glitch in the matrix just occurred then carry on; for extra points you can even express your frustration at the 'glitchiness' of the finder in the chat.

I hope you enjoyed my little essay and thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Edit: I forgot one bonus: if you think this qualifies as antisocial behaviour and report it, well, that is like... your opinion man, one that CS does not share.

finehair

All my DD ALTs I que as tank to rnd even though they are DPS. I just slot undaunted taunt for professional courtesy, and keep taunt on bosses. For rnd it's much better than an actual tank in my opinion

Warhawke_80

So me entering a Dungeon just wearing a costume and using a level 2 Broadsword is...bad?


Kidding...I'm Kidding sheesh

VaranisArano

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I can't imagine how long it would take to find a group if there weren't any fake tanks and we had to wait for a real one to be available. They are actually doing us a service.

Eh no. If they put on a taunt and a shield and hold the mob i dun care if you are a dps. Otherwise it becomes someone else job. In my case its pretty much always me. I deal with it but dont encourage it..sheesh

If they taunt the boss, that's a tank.