Assassin no longer viable defense in batlegournd...

Alharion

Why do I no longer have any viable defense in battleground, my life melts away more than my opponent's, even though I'm supposed to be an assassin and logically I should be the one who's dangerous like that?

Worst of all, as soon as my back is turned to an opponent, I take twice as much damage. How can you play in this mode when you have to pick up the chaosball or whatever? why aren't we allowed to play this class while the sorcerer or DK do even more damage than us "assassins" in this mode?

Archer is difficult to play, already because of the long animation time and the fact that some maps clearly don't have an advantage for this weapon, while others will be able to pounce on you while doing absurd damage with the comfort of TP attack...

Assassin without CP is nonsense, no survival, but if you try stealth after a while it becomes unplayable because no more stam against mages, it's really not fair...

CameraBeardThePirate

No offense, but nightblades are right up at the top of the meta right now alongside DKs and Wardens. Without knowing any build details, it's impossible to know what you can do to improve. Nevertheless, with the changes to Healthy Offering nightblade should have no issues at all surviving provided you have a half decent build.

Jierdanit

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

JerBearESO

Oh sweet, batlegournd, finally a new PvP mode!

Arcanasx

I think its better when the assassin becomes the assassinated.

ForzaRammer

Jierdanit wrote: »

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

Nope, ice staff warden is way more viable. Bow nb (no incap obv) do not output more dmg than ice staff warden, and has no purge, no healing for teammates.

Dr_Con

PVP in this game works by depleting your enemy's stamina then stunning and killing them. There are far too many mitigation strategies in the game for "assassinating" to be effective. You will only be able to "assassinate" people who are in paper/gank builds.

boi_anachronism_

Dr_Con wrote: »

PVP in this game works by depleting your enemy's stamina then stunning and killing them. There are far too many mitigation strategies in the game for "assassinating" to be effective. You will only be able to "assassinate" people who are in paper/gank builds.

Not so much anymore.. detect pots now have almost a 45m radius.

ZOS_Phoenix

Greetings,

After review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic (Battleground & Dueling, as this topic is in regards to particular builds in the context of Battlegrounds).

Thank you for your understanding.

Alharion

So if I want to take the chaosball as my own, I have to accept being literally *** because I'm a murderer who shouldn't have to survive?

Because that's clearly what happens in this infamous mode!

Soarora

If you're going glass cannon, you're going to be glass. That's just how it is. If you want to be a tanky nb, be a tanky nb. I've seen surprisingly tanky nightblades that still go invisible, not sure how they do it though since as far as I have heard you have to be tanky or sneaky.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

Alharion wrote: »

So if I want to take the chaosball as my own, I have to accept being literally *** because I'm a murderer who shouldn't have to survive?

Because that's clearly what happens in this infamous mode!

Yes. Actually. Because you can't stealth as an 'Assassin' with the Chaos Ball.

The thing with NB is you either heavily lean into the expected playstyle to pull it off, or you have a mixed result by trying for a more middle of the road gameplay approach.

I had to review my own continuation with mine, and made peace with the fact my preferred play style was a slight deviation, and not 100% reflection of the tried and tested builds, and that I also wasn't really happy thinking about the classes limitations.

It is what it is.

Alharion

Jierdanit wrote: »

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

I'd like to believe that, but in that case why do the other classes get everything better?

The problem with this game is that the things that dominate are never adjusted, while others are always being adjusted. There are a lot of complaints about the DK, which is always entitled to its strength and resistance, or the two-handed weapon, which is far too dominant, and probably other things too, but ZOS is always picking on the same things, and not enough where adjustments should have been made a long time ago...

I think there's a lack of impartiality on the part of this studio, without wishing to be unkind in saying that.

CameraBeardThePirate

Alharion wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

I'd like to believe that, but in that case why do the other classes get everything better?

The problem with this game is that the things that dominate are never adjusted, while others are always being adjusted. There are a lot of complaints about the DK, which is always entitled to its strength and resistance, or the two-handed weapon, which is far too dominant, and probably other things too, but ZOS is always picking on the same things, and not enough where adjustments should have been made a long time ago...

I think there's a lack of impartiality on the part of this studio, without wishing to be unkind in saying that.

The other classes DON'T get everything better though. Nightblade is and has been one of the best specs in the game for at least a few patches now.

Alharion

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Alharion wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

I'd like to believe that, but in that case why do the other classes get everything better?

The problem with this game is that the things that dominate are never adjusted, while others are always being adjusted. There are a lot of complaints about the DK, which is always entitled to its strength and resistance, or the two-handed weapon, which is far too dominant, and probably other things too, but ZOS is always picking on the same things, and not enough where adjustments should have been made a long time ago...

I think there's a lack of impartiality on the part of this studio, without wishing to be unkind in saying that.

The other classes DON'T get everything better though. Nightblade is and has been one of the best specs in the game for at least a few patches now.

that's clearly not true, look at the classes with tank branches, they play with a definite advantage, Assassin in no CP BG can currently do absolutely nothing, even in synergy, he doesn't have enough to be any kind of "bonus" support for the group, I've never seen Assassin melt away as brutally as he is at the moment...

Assassin is probably the most botched class in the game, whereas all the other MMORPGs offer a pleasant experience with this class, there isn't even a poison weapon buff, the shadow corridor isn't much use in pvp, the tp is hard to use, nothing has been studied with pvp, except when it comes to gank gameplay...

Galeriano

Alharion wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Alharion wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Bow NB is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game, as long as you stay at range from enemies and at least somewhat know what is happening around you.

If you are playing an assassin you are not supposed to be tanky, if you let someone with a decent Brawler build get to you you are supposed to die.

Although i do partly agree that it is too easy to get damage almost as high as a gankers on brawler setups while having way more defensive capabilities.

I'd like to believe that, but in that case why do the other classes get everything better?

The problem with this game is that the things that dominate are never adjusted, while others are always being adjusted. There are a lot of complaints about the DK, which is always entitled to its strength and resistance, or the two-handed weapon, which is far too dominant, and probably other things too, but ZOS is always picking on the same things, and not enough where adjustments should have been made a long time ago...

I think there's a lack of impartiality on the part of this studio, without wishing to be unkind in saying that.

The other classes DON'T get everything better though. Nightblade is and has been one of the best specs in the game for at least a few patches now.

that's clearly not true, look at the classes with tank branches, they play with a definite advantage, Assassin in no CP BG can currently do absolutely nothing, even in synergy, he doesn't have enough to be any kind of "bonus" support for the group, I've never seen Assassin melt away as brutally as he is at the moment...

Assassin is probably the most botched class in the game, whereas all the other MMORPGs offer a pleasant experience with this class, there isn't even a poison weapon buff, the shadow corridor isn't much use in pvp, the tp is hard to use, nothing has been studied with pvp, except when it comes to gank gameplay...

Nobody stops You from playing nightblade as a brawler without stealth and with more tanky approach. It's more than viable right now. You choose to play as ganker/snipe spammer and complain that You are squishy which You supposed to be considering how much pressure You can put on others when You are not being dealt with.

Also stealth based nighblade is now very viable even in no CP enviroment but You need to learn to play on it instead of thinking that You will outplay everyone with snipe spam. You have plenty of defensive option that will allow You to survive but You have to manage them properly same as every other setup in the game. Don't think that You will be standing in one place spamming snipe and than just cloak away when someone spots or hits You.

DrNukenstein

-Why are you trying to pick up the ball on an assassin load out?

-Why are you trying to assassinate players with about 1000 less weapon damage than a melee build using the same sets at the same quality?

-Same question as above, but with an on average %10 lower damage coefficient on all of your attacks

-Running out of stamina while sneaking? We have a borderline must slot skill that makes that not a problem ever

Oblivion_Protocol

As somebody who plays NB ganker in BGs regularly, allow me to take a quote from my favorite companion to sum up the problem you’re having.

“Skill issue.”

Alharion

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

As somebody who plays NB ganker in BGs regularly, allow me to take a quote from my favorite companion to sum up the problem you’re having.

“Skill issue.”

I've got all the skills you need, so no, it's nothing to do with that,

The problem is the consistency of the devs and now that there's this ridiculous arcanist class with no gameplay, Assassin no longer has the right to play.

CameraBeardThePirate

Alharion wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

As somebody who plays NB ganker in BGs regularly, allow me to take a quote from my favorite companion to sum up the problem you’re having.

“Skill issue.”

I've got all the skills you need, so no, it's nothing to do with that,

The problem is the consistency of the devs and now that there's this ridiculous arcanist class with no gameplay, Assassin no longer has the right to play.

Dude no offense, but NB has been given buff after buff after buff in PvP for about a year now. They're easily the second best class behind DK right now, maybe third behind Warden but that's debatable.

If you can't survive on a nightblade after the changes they made to Path and Offering, then it is a skill issue. The class has the tools. You just need to be able to use them.

Alharion

I really wonder if you play BG to give such an answer, because currently BG is the worst experience of all time for an assassin class, as soon as you run when you suffer attacks from behind, it seems that the damage is increased, impossible to flee in this mode, there is no more valid defense clearly no matter what you try to make believe the game is incredibly uneven for the nightblade ...

I've tried every class in the game and the balancing for nightblade is a disaster, even worse when you want to be an archer with this class, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying that the experience is extremely uneven!

While you want to perform your build some will not take any damage, but they on the other hand a mage for example a blow of stick of destruction and your already a good part of game life ...

CameraBeardThePirate

Alharion wrote: »

I really wonder if you play BG to give such an answer, because currently BG is the worst experience of all time for an assassin class, as soon as you run when you suffer attacks from behind, it seems that the damage is increased, impossible to flee in this mode, there is no more valid defense clearly no matter what you try to make believe the game is incredibly uneven for the nightblade ...

I've tried every class in the game and the balancing for nightblade is a disaster, even worse when you want to be an archer with this class, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying that the experience is extremely uneven!

While you want to perform your build some will not take any damage, but they on the other hand a mage for example a blow of stick of destruction and your already a good part of game life ...

What build do you run, if I may ask? I play nothing but BGs and I can assure you, Nightblades are one of the top 2 classes in BGs right now. Throwing around complaints about survivability without sharing what gear and skills you're running doesn't give people a chance to actually help you.

Vaqual

Alharion wrote: »

So if I want to take the chaosball as my own, I have to accept being literally *** because I'm a murderer who shouldn't have to survive?

Because that's clearly what happens in this infamous mode!

Even if you are squishy you can do some decent plays with the ball. If you have enough speed and some snare immunity you can kite quite effectively on some maps, especially since the players in the crowd behind you mostly start murdering each other. You can also suicide at the edge of the map for a sneaky ball reset and have your team ready (or yourself if the respawn timer allows it) to pick it up. There are certainly options. But of course as dps you should optimally try to remove enemies and keep the ball in your team that way, but you have yo know when you are outmatched. Sometimes the enemy has the better comp/players and that is just how it is then.

Dem_kitkats1

Too much mitigation for glass cannon, assassin playstyles to be all that effective, unless you're playing against new player squishies. NB is strong if you don't limit yourself to that. I agree though, it kind of takes away from the concept of the class.

TybaltKaine

Slot Siphoning and Shadow tree skills to improve max health, resistances (when you cast a Shadow skill) and healing. Everything you need to succeed is in the kit. Read your passives and inform your build based on how the class self synergizes with respect to skills. Augment your strengths or shore up your weaknesses with gear.

You can absolutely be a stealthy tank as a NB, just don't expect to one shot people. You can be a tanky ganker, just don't expect to have a large magicka pool for stealth. Fun tip, stealth doesn't buff HP when slotted like the other Shadow skills do, make up for it with literally any other skill on the line. Want to self-heal and deal damage while dropping Ultimate left and right? Siphoning and Assassination trees.

You have all the tools you need, but you can't be great at everything. No class is.

NordSwordnBoard

Veruca Salt

Waterdesk

Many people complained that they didn’t want to play Call of Duty. However, I preferred it when the ttk was faster.

Baconlad

Best times I've had in this game are when TTK was at its lowest. I dispise these tanky setups running around

Weckless

Alharion wrote: »

So if I want to take the chaosball as my own, I have to accept being literally *** because I'm a murderer who shouldn't have to survive?

Because that's clearly what happens in this infamous mode!

When i play chaosball on my bowsorc i help kill the person with the ball then let a team mate pick it up and kill whoever tries to attack them. Only pick the ball up if its necessary and then try to go to your team so you can die by them and then one of them can get it