Necrom Antiquity leads bugged

Djennku

I have been having a tough time trying to get leads to drop, and it seems like the UI is either messed up, or broken. I just got a chance to look at the in game menu for what I am missing, and it's telling me I either have the leads dug up, don't have them, or don't have the codex. Below are a few images. This is also preventing me from picking up leads in game I still need.
(Leads shown as collected and others not collected when neither are correct)


(Lead shown was already dug up, shows I need to scry for it when I need to complete the mythic first, opposed to the music box leads, where it shows them collected without the red text)


It might just pertain to just the music box at this point, but I'm unsure of whether other mythic/furnishings are bugged as well. I have been having a very hard time getting leads from a few places where the leads would have usually dropped by now.

RevJJ

I have the same issue after completing the music box. Some of the leads are showing as already obtained, while I did not pick them up a second time.

Silaf

Same problem here. I'm stuck and sadly can't drop any more leads. I've contacted support they are investingating. Let's hope for the best. Having a permanent hole in our collection is terrible.

tsaescishoeshiner

I'm also having this issue! After completing the music box, only the first five leads are listed as already collected. I haven't gotten any new leads for it yet, hard to tell if it's rng, just a visual bug, or bugged lead drops.

Silaf

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I'm also having this issue! After completing the music box, only the first five leads are listed as already collected. I haven't gotten any new leads for it yet, hard to tell if it's rng, just a visual bug, or bugged lead drops.

You can drop the leads you still don't have but reached the 10/10 that should unlock the antiquity instead you will be stuck forever like me.

Let's all try to report this bug to get some attention from assistence and maybe Akatosh willing a fix.

Kalixte

I wondered why the last lead I need for the Spore Savant Face Marks collectible didn't want to drop after 50+ Nymic runs... Please fix this quickly!

Silaf

I wonder how many are experiencing this bug or if we will ever see a fix.
I've contacted assistence and provided all screenshots and proof this is not related to an addon. Sadly the last message i got asked me to try "reload ui" lol.

RevJJ

Silaf wrote: »

I wonder how many are experiencing this bug or if we will ever see a fix.
I've contacted assistence and provided all screenshots and proof this is not related to an addon. Sadly the last message i got asked me to try "reload ui" lol.

You’re better off talking to a wall because CS responses rarely make any sense at all.

RevJJ

Screenshot here to show more clearly that it's bugged.

1) I have dug up 10 fragments for a complete music box (Found: 1)
2) I have dug up 2 more fragments after that (12/30 codex)
3) Is where it gets strange because the overview says I have found 7/10 pieces and
4) The Inkwood box is the first one in the list that shows I still need to find it, as well as the four pieces after that, meaning 5/10 missing.

The game cannot math, it seems.

Virenic

RevJJ wrote: »

Screenshot here to show more clearly that it's bugged.

1) I have dug up 10 fragments for a complete music box (Found: 1)
2) I have dug up 2 more fragments after that (12/30 codex)
3) Is where it gets strange because the overview says I have found 7/10 pieces and
4) The Inkwood box is the first one in the list that shows I still need to find it, as well as the four pieces after that, meaning 5/10 missing.

The game cannot math, it seems.

I'm having an identical issue. After completing my first box, the first five pieces are coloured in like in your screenshot and it was immediately set to 5/10 pieces found despite only having 10/30 codex entries.

Pretty frustrating that I'm going to have to grind the nymic lead down the track after this bug is fixed. I imagine not many people will still be running nymic then.

Silaf

RevJJ wrote: »

Silaf wrote: »

I wonder how many are experiencing this bug or if we will ever see a fix.
I've contacted assistence and provided all screenshots and proof this is not related to an addon. Sadly the last message i got asked me to try "reload ui" lol.

You’re better off talking to a wall because CS responses rarely make any sense at all.

At times sadly that's true.
Let's hope a developer will eventually read this forum. I've reported it in game. A small answer to let us know they received the report and are aware of the bug would be wonderful.

SeaWoodStage

There are multiple threads about this exact issue, but I've yet to see anyone from Zos just admit it's a bug. Which it obviously is btw because people from multiple platforms have reported this issue. It's a multi-platform bug, I'm on Xbox EU so don't even have access to add-ons. This is not an add-on issue.

Btw just to be clear, this isn't me moaning about lead drops and RNG. This is an actual issue. On the "Music Box, Glyphic Secrets" - I completed one full music box. Since then I've legitimately gained two leads (Intricate Winding Shaft and Inkwood Box). However when I select this antiquity in the antiquity menu, it's all over the place as to which fragments the game thinks I have etc. I know many other people are experiencing this too. Zos is always trying to get people to use systems like Antiquities - would be super great if they were actually worked properly. Thanks

DarthCuddlefluff

SeaWoodStage wrote: »

There are multiple threads about this exact issue, but I've yet to see anyone from Zos just admit it's a bug. Which it obviously is btw because people from multiple platforms have reported this issue. It's a multi-platform bug, I'm on Xbox EU so don't even have access to add-ons. This is not an add-on issue.

Btw just to be clear, this isn't me moaning about lead drops and RNG. This is an actual issue. On the "Music Box, Glyphic Secrets" - I completed one full music box. Since then I've legitimately gained two leads (Intricate Winding Shaft and Inkwood Box). However when I select this antiquity in the antiquity menu, it's all over the place as to which fragments the game thinks I have etc. I know many other people are experiencing this too. Zos is always trying to get people to use systems like Antiquities - would be super great if they were actually worked properly. Thanks

I do hate it when people just chock it up to "rng." When I do 8 Apocrypha treasure maps and get all the well leads and then do over 60 and don't get it again and 100 more from TP and get nothing it's no longer rng. I would love to see ZoS acknowledge that leads at least from Necrom are bugged rn so I know when I can get these leads again. I love farming, I mean really enjoy it, but it needs a payoff.

RevJJ

This is still bugged, and no mention in the pts patch notes of a fix. Has anyone tested it on pts?

DarthCuddlefluff

RevJJ wrote: »

This is still bugged, and no mention in the pts patch notes of a fix. Has anyone tested it on pts?

I was thinking of testing it n the pts.

jle30303

It's a well known global phenomenon across antiquities, that the *first* lead is always a lot more common than the second, if you should happen to need the same lead three times for its codex factoids.

So it's hardly surprising that you get all 3 leads for the well once, reasonably quickly, and then they become a lot rarer when you're trying to get the bits of a second well.

Happens with other mythics, even other single golden Master and Ultimate antiquities too. For instance, the Golden Idol of Morihaus - the first one arrived very quickly, I've been killing minotaurs for literally years since then and not got a second one. It took me two years to get a second Branch of Falinesti, and a second Rune-Carved Mammoth Skull... But then the third one seemed to come along reasonably quickly in both cases.

The annoyance for me, is the sheer extent to which this is the case - the difference is WAY too huge.

RevJJ

jle30303 wrote: »

It's a well known global phenomenon across antiquities, that the *first* lead is always a lot more common than the second, if you should happen to need the same lead three times for its codex factoids.

So it's hardly surprising that you get all 3 leads for the well once, reasonably quickly, and then they become a lot rarer when you're trying to get the bits of a second well.

Happens with other mythics, even other single golden Master and Ultimate antiquities too. For instance, the Golden Idol of Morihaus - the first one arrived very quickly, I've been killing minotaurs for literally years since then and not got a second one. It took me two years to get a second Branch of Falinesti, and a second Rune-Carved Mammoth Skull... But then the third one seemed to come along reasonably quickly in both cases.

The annoyance for me, is the sheer extent to which this is the case - the difference is WAY too huge.

While what you are saying is not wrong, I do wonder if you’ve read the replies that have screenshots showing that some of these leads are definitely bugged. This is not about rng, it’s about the game showing players that they have completed certain leads that they have not.

Silaf

jle30303 wrote: »

It's a well known global phenomenon across antiquities, that the *first* lead is always a lot more common than the second, if you should happen to need the same lead three times for its codex factoids.

So it's hardly surprising that you get all 3 leads for the well once, reasonably quickly, and then they become a lot rarer when you're trying to get the bits of a second well.

Happens with other mythics, even other single golden Master and Ultimate antiquities too. For instance, the Golden Idol of Morihaus - the first one arrived very quickly, I've been killing minotaurs for literally years since then and not got a second one. It took me two years to get a second Branch of Falinesti, and a second Rune-Carved Mammoth Skull... But then the third one seemed to come along reasonably quickly in both cases.

The annoyance for me, is the sheer extent to which this is the case - the difference is WAY too huge.

Please loock at the screenshots i've posted and confront the "codex number" with the "piece found" one. That combo should be impossible.

And how did i manage to get 10/10 pieces witout unlocking the antiquity?

Whait are you working in Zos support?!? That would explain why you can't figure out it's a bug. In case you are from support yes, i tried disabling the addons and reload ui.

Daniel141182

The music box bug is on ps5 also shows 11 found but 6 of 10 codex done. Even tho i only have found 1 after the first completion. And we dont have addons so ye.

Silaf

Daniel141182 wrote: »

The music box bug is on ps5 also shows 11 found but 6 of 10 codex done. Even tho i only have found 1 after the first completion. And we dont have addons so ye.

Look at the positive side at least you don't have to spend days to convince support is not an addon problem.

Sadly we are losing a lot of hard to obtain leads because of this bug.

Daniel141182

Silaf wrote: »

Daniel141182 wrote: »

The music box bug is on ps5 also shows 11 found but 6 of 10 codex done. Even tho i only have found 1 after the first completion. And we dont have addons so ye.

Look at the positive side at least you don't have to spend days to convince support is not an addon problem.

Sadly we are losing a lot of hard to obtain leads because of this bug.

ye like the one in bastion sucks i must go back there to farm

jle30303

I was talking about the Apocryphal Well leads, which appear to be an extreme example of an already documented general phenomenon (namely, the extreme rarity of second and subsequent gold leads of a given type) - I personally am unsure whether this is a bug, or as designed, but either way, if it's deliberate (for repeating second leads to be this rare), then it's *bad* design for them to be THIS rare.

The music box issue is a separate issue, the result of *this* being that I refuse to even attempt to complete my first music box until it is fixed. The game should not be crediting us with repeated leads (e.g. five "free" leads in the Music Box) that we have NOT actually found: for a start, it messes with the whole codex entries thing, and for another thing, it messes completely with people's heads.

Silaf

jle30303 wrote: »

I was talking about the Apocryphal Well leads, which appear to be an extreme example of an already documented general phenomenon (namely, the extreme rarity of second and subsequent gold leads of a given type) - I personally am unsure whether this is a bug, or as designed, but either way, if it's deliberate (for repeating second leads to be this rare), then it's *bad* design for them to be THIS rare.

The music box issue is a separate issue, the result of *this* being that I refuse to even attempt to complete my first music box until it is fixed. The game should not be crediting us with repeated leads (e.g. five "free" leads in the Music Box) that we have NOT actually found: for a start, it messes with the whole codex entries thing, and for another thing, it messes completely with people's heads.

Dear god don't mention the damn well. I wasted 5 millions for absolutly nothing.
Still the most out of place drop rate for leads go to Havocrel furnishing lead and the hollow city one you get from gatering plants.

The first one has the most minuscle droprate ever. I've killed 160+ havocrel and dropped only 1. The second on the contrary drop way too easily to be a gold lead.

Darzaka

For those who find this thread and have this issue, there are more folks in other threads that have this same issue. Here's what I posted on the forums there and a link to that thread.

"I am also having this issue. My journal says 10/10 pieces found, but my codex is 15/30 and I still only have one music box, so that is impossible.

There are five leads I need that I cannot get to drop despite days of farming each one:
- Rune-Carved Key
- Dark Metal Cubes
- Dark Metal Mesh
- Darklight Gemstone
- Dark Metal Springs"

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/637508/music-box-glyphic-secrets-bugged

Krymsyn_Panda

I am running into the exact same bug as everyone else, with the same first five leads saying they are already found. Should I stop getting the second leads for the ones I am able to in case there is a complete roll back of all leads? Some response from ZoS would be great. This is where I hope to see someone acknowledge the bug when ZoS asks "How can we communicate better".

Silaf

Krymsyn_Panda wrote: »

I am running into the exact same bug as everyone else, with the same first five leads saying they are already found. Should I stop getting the second leads for the ones I am able to in case there is a complete roll back of all leads? Some response from ZoS would be great. This is where I hope to see someone acknowledge the bug when ZoS asks "How can we communicate better".

Yes a simple response from zos would be great. Even a "we are aware of the problem" would be nice.

Darzaka

Krymsyn_Panda wrote: »

Should I stop getting the second leads for the ones I am able to in case there is a complete roll back of all leads? Some response from ZoS would be great. This is where I hope to see someone acknowledge the bug when ZoS asks "How can we communicate better".

@ZOS_Bill I noticed you popping your head in on the other thread, but saw no one has pinged you here. Is it possible to get some feedback on where troubleshooting is on this? I understand that with the other issues going on atm, a second music box may not seem high on the priorities list, but any feedback on this would put folks at ease.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hi everyone! Just wanted to confirm this is a bug involving the leads and should be fixed in next week's incremental patch. Once the fix goes out, you should automatically be unblocked.

Silaf

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone! Just wanted to confirm this is a bug involving the leads and should be fixed in next week's incremental patch. Once the fix goes out, you should automatically be unblocked.

THANKS GINA YOU ARE THE BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jmccormick

Yay!

MyNameIsElias

Was this fixed already? I was just able to loot a lead for the music box again from the tales of tribute coffer