Jumping Cheez ever getting corrected?

DUTCH_REAPER

If you didn’t know, when a player jumps only aoe can hit the player or if a single target ability was cast prior to the jump. With that being said it makes for a really poor gameplay. ZOS are you ever going to correct this and make abilities cast at a target hit said target regardless if they jump? Roll dodge is there for a reason. Don’t want it to go away? Cool. Then make jump cost stamina in pvp.

Luede

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

If you didn’t know, when a player jumps only aoe can hit the player or if a single target ability was cast prior to the jump. With that being said it makes for a really poor gameplay. ZOS are you ever going to correct this and make abilities cast at a target hit said target regardless if they jump? Roll dodge is there for a reason. Don’t want it to go away? Cool. Then make jump cost stamina in pvp.

is this related to a specific platform? On the pc I don't care if the opponent jumps or not, I always hit equally well and the opponent will fall down, no matter if he jumps or not.

DUTCH_REAPER

It’s on PC. Not sure if other platforms. You can prove this if you have a house and a target dummy. Raise the target dummy slightly off the ground. Only aoes will make contact. For a player if you casted a single target ability prior to them jumping it will hit. Cheers

TechMaybeHic

Not sure jumping does that.

CameraBeardThePirate

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

It’s on PC. Not sure if other platforms. You can prove this if you have a house and a target dummy. Raise the target dummy slightly off the ground. Only aoes will make contact. For a player if you casted a single target ability prior to them jumping it will hit. Cheers

Jumping does not do the same thing as lifting a target dummy off the ground. The only benefits jumping gives are bunny hopping (carrying your momentum while block casting) or stun hopping (jumping when you think you may get stunned to carry your momentum out of the range of the opponent)

DUTCH_REAPER

If that’s true. I stand corrected and apologize for incorrect information. Will have to test with a player.

katorga

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

If you didn’t know, when a player jumps only aoe can hit the player or if a single target ability was cast prior to the jump. With that being said it makes for a really poor gameplay. ZOS are you ever going to correct this and make abilities cast at a target hit said target regardless if they jump? Roll dodge is there for a reason. Don’t want it to go away? Cool. Then make jump cost stamina in pvp.

I think it just seems that way because so many players have difficulty targeting players moving at high speed and/or jumping.

Luth7

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

Vevvev

I've hit people jumping just fine on PC, and honestly find the whole thing only useful for getting stunned. If you get stunned while midair you'll continue to move in the same direction till you land on the ground.

On console where the camera panning is slow and there isn't a setting to increase the sensitivity, for who knows what reason, jumping constantly is a problem for some people who really get into the close quarter brawls.
On PC just turn up your mouse sensitivity and keep your crosshairs on them and it'll be fine.

FirmamentOfStars

This is fake news...you hit jumping people equally well as normal walking in PvP. It is more like the other way round, when you have uneven terrain, that some direct damage AoEs do not hit the target because of the elevation of the terrain and therefore sometimes dawnbreakers get absorbed by stairs or objects. Jumping though only provides the advantage of carrying the momentum during the air phase even when snared or CCed.

Turtle_Bot

This sounds like its a positional desync targeting issue (extremely common in Cyrodiil where the games positional tracking system is horrendous at best and positional desyncs are far too common).

CameraBeardThePirate

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

SkaraMinoc

Dodge roll to create momentum -> Jump -> Block -> repeat

This is the only effective way to jump in PvP to avoid damage.

maxjapank

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

CameraBeardThePirate

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

It's definitely not an exploit lol. It's something that's been in the game since the beginning of time. No more of an exploit than light attack weaving or animation cancelling is.

maxjapank

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

It's definitely not an exploit lol. It's something that's been in the game since the beginning of time. No more of an exploit than light attack weaving or animation cancelling is.

Then proceed at your own risk. If video evidence gets sent in of you doing this, you can get banned. I know 100% for sure of this happening. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

CameraBeardThePirate

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

It's definitely not an exploit lol. It's something that's been in the game since the beginning of time. No more of an exploit than light attack weaving or animation cancelling is.

Then proceed at your own risk. If video evidence gets sent in of you doing this, you can get banned. I know 100% for sure of this happening. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

Considering multiple well known PvPers have tutorials of this on YouTube, and haven't ever been banned, I'd say it's definitely not a 100% certainty. In fact, I'm pretty "certain" no one has ever been banned from it before.

TechMaybeHic

They put it in the game, it must be intended

maxjapank

If you guys feel confident, go ahead. I’ve at least warned you. That’s about all I can do. Your account is not mine.

Jamie_Aubrey

Its a side effect of playing a sorc, you auto jump everywhere

Jamie_Aubrey

FirmamentOfStars wrote: »

This is fake news...you hit jumping people equally well as normal walking in PvP. It is more like the other way round, when you have uneven terrain, that some direct damage AoEs do not hit the target because of the elevation of the terrain and therefore sometimes dawnbreakers get absorbed by stairs or objects. Jumping though only provides the advantage of carrying the momentum during the air phase even when snared or CCed.

And yet I can get with with wall of elements through the roofs/floor of keeps and the grate above MG inner

FirmamentOfStars

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

FirmamentOfStars wrote: »

This is fake news...you hit jumping people equally well as normal walking in PvP. It is more like the other way round, when you have uneven terrain, that some direct damage AoEs do not hit the target because of the elevation of the terrain and therefore sometimes dawnbreakers get absorbed by stairs or objects. Jumping though only provides the advantage of carrying the momentum during the air phase even when snared or CCed.

And yet I can get with with wall of elements through the roofs/floor of keeps and the grate above MG inner

Ground AoEs =/= direct damage AoEs?????

NordSwordnBoard

Punish them with a desynch like meteor, leap, clench, or a knock back etc. The jumping can actually help them get stuck up in the air and cc longer than if they were on the ground.

The game server has constant trouble with positional desynchs, so abuse the same system if they bother you.

tincanman

I thought from the title it was some furnishing item I hadn't hear of like the shivering cheese that was bugged.

Bunny-hoppers make me laugh. They die a lot, too.

OnGodiDoDis

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

Bunny hopping works really well against melee players because most players are naturally aiming at the ground because they play with the camera zoomed all the way out. Jumping takes you out of their line of sight, allowing you to escape damage. Regardless, this doesn't mean that they cannot take damage while in the air. Aiming higher or backing up will allow you to land hits. Bunny hopping doesn't work against ranged attackers.

PhoenixGrey

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

It's definitely not an exploit lol. It's something that's been in the game since the beginning of time. No more of an exploit than light attack weaving or animation cancelling is.

Then proceed at your own risk. If video evidence gets sent in of you doing this, you can get banned. I know 100% for sure of this happening. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

It’s not an exploit as it’s not in zos tos

katorga

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Luth7 wrote: »

Isn't bunny hopping stupid in this game anyway?
When i jump with speed buffs on me, i loose speed and only get it back after landing again. The effect is pretty noticeable.
I always thought players who do that came from other MMO's and didn't get the memo.

If you're not carrying your momentum then you aren't truly bunny hopping.

The input can be rather difficult to get down, but basically you buff with speed, sprint diagonally, and jump, then immediately press block. You'll carry the same speed, and then can bunny hop again by pressing jump the moment your character touches the ground (as you would in any other game).

This is actually an exploit that you just explained. I would advise that anyone not use this. I know for a fact of those no longer around after being reported with video evidence.

It's definitely not an exploit lol. It's something that's been in the game since the beginning of time. No more of an exploit than light attack weaving or animation cancelling is.

Lol, yep. Everyone who can do it, does it. It has been in the game forever.

Mayrael

Many of you are overcomplicating bunny hopping. The whole thing is about pressing jump and block almost at the same time. You don't have to do any acrobatics like roll dodge, sprinting, or buffing your speed before that. Of course, the faster you start, the further you jump, but to master the technique, jump+block is enough, and then when you feel more confident, you can add other acrobatics

cuddles_with_wroble

maxjapank wrote: »

If you guys feel confident, go ahead. I’ve at least warned you. That’s about all I can do. Your account is not mine.

i have literally been spamming bunny hops for years in pvp and never have i gotten in trouble for it. ive seen people use it on stream.

it is probably the hardest but most powerful movement tech you can learn in this game and its the last real skill barrier to playing certain builds tbh.

it can be combo'd with any speed buff but also with roll or streak. you can combine any of these to move across the map super fast and effectively while also avoiding most damage thats not ranged or undodgable and mitigating the rest with block cancels on your bunny hops or "super jumps" as we like to call them.

theres a bunch of high end pvpers who are really good at super jumping and are very difficult to catch or kill if your not a ranged build or a build that can keep up with their kiting

PSA for anyone who is on controller, its really really hard if not almost impossible to bunny jump consistently and accurately on controller. and for anyone on PC there are legit 100 guides on how to do all of the movement techs (including jumping into keeps with your mount)

xFocused

I see players do the bunnyhop thing nonstop and they still end up dead on the ground, lol. I'll take everyone's word that it does something for fights but it just looks goofy when you're spamming jump and still getting killed, just my take though

CameraBeardThePirate

xFocused wrote: »

I see players do the bunnyhop thing nonstop and they still end up dead on the ground, lol. I'll take everyone's word that it does something for fights but it just looks goofy when you're spamming jump and still getting killed, just my take though

Again, big difference between true bunny hopping and spamming the spacebar.

The vast majority of players you see jumping a ton are doing the latter.

For true bunny hopping, you don't just spam jump - you use it to keep your momentum and reposition while casting defensive abilities. You might do 1 or 2 jumps at a time and then go back into your rotation.