Public Dungeon Solo

Harold_Hedd

Hi, is it correct, that when doing a public dungeon solo I do not get credit for the bosses I kill alone ?

It seems that when others join in, I get the credit, but not always when I finish them aslone.

colossalvoids

You should get a credit both alone and grouped, if not that's something else going on.

Harold_Hedd

Okay, thanks. I will be more aware in the next one, but they do not show on the map as completed so far.

vsrs_au

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

Okay, thanks. I will be more aware in the next one, but they do not show on the map as completed so far.

I've found that quite often the map won't update immediately, i.e. the boss icons won't change from black to white until after you've left the dungeon and then go back in. I don't know why, though. Even if the icons don't update immediately, you should get the achievement notifications when you kill most / all the bosses in the dungeon.

joergino

Do your achievements list the group boss as completed? And did you get the skill point?

As was already said - the map doesn't update instantly, only when you leave and re-enter the public dungeon.

Grizzbeorn

vsrs_au wrote: »

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

Okay, thanks. I will be more aware in the next one, but they do not show on the map as completed so far.

I've found that quite often the map won't update immediately, i.e. the boss icons won't change from black to white until after you've left the dungeon and then go back in. I don't know why, though. Even if the icons don't update immediately, you should get the achievement notifications when you kill most / all the bosses in the dungeon.

Yeah, this happens to me all the time, as well. And it seems to be happening ever since one of this year's updates.
Just happened with Zenithar's Abbey a few minutes ago, in fact.
But next time I go in there, all of the boss icons should be white.

And like you mentioned, the achievement tallies do update properly, so if one is ever in doubt, just check the 'Conqueror' achievement tally for that dungeon as you take down each boss.

Thunderclap

If I remember correctly, Boss loot has a timer of 5 minutes. If the boss is killed again within the 5 minutes, then there is no loot. Maybe that was the reason.

Zodiarkslayer

Public Dungeon Bosses have internal cooldowns, but can still be spawned by a "newbie" player. That is a legacy mechanic from before account wide achievements.
This will result in no drops when the Boss is defeated and (I think) also "queing the defeat" news until the cooldown is over. Which explains the delay between defeat and update.

... Accountwide Achievements.... 😔

berunhieyes

I'm not sure this is your problem, but public dungeons won't appear as complete on the map unless you complete the quest(s) in them.

Necrotech_Master

vsrs_au wrote: »

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

Okay, thanks. I will be more aware in the next one, but they do not show on the map as completed so far.

I've found that quite often the map won't update immediately, i.e. the boss icons won't change from black to white until after you've left the dungeon and then go back in. I don't know why, though. Even if the icons don't update immediately, you should get the achievement notifications when you kill most / all the bosses in the dungeon.

the map will usually update if you "zoom out" (go up a level to say the zone map) then close the map and reopen it while still in the dungeon to get the dungeon map back

kargen27

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Public Dungeon Bosses have internal cooldowns, but can still be spawned by a "newbie" player. That is a legacy mechanic from before account wide achievements.
This will result in no drops when the Boss is defeated and (I think) also "queing the defeat" news until the cooldown is over. Which explains the delay between defeat and update.

... Accountwide Achievements.... 😔

Account wide achievements is bad for a variety of reasons but what the OP is describing was happening long before account wide achievements became a thing. Not getting loot from bosses on a timer has been around long before account wide achievements also.

Harold_Hedd

Okay, thanx for the insights - again, I didn't know all this, but I will try it out.

Zodiarkslayer

kargen27 wrote: »

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Public Dungeon Bosses have internal cooldowns, but can still be spawned by a "newbie" player. That is a legacy mechanic from before account wide achievements.
This will result in no drops when the Boss is defeated and (I think) also "queing the defeat" news until the cooldown is over. Which explains the delay between defeat and update.

... Accountwide Achievements.... 😔

Account wide achievements is bad for a variety of reasons but what the OP is describing was happening long before account wide achievements became a thing. Not getting loot from bosses on a timer has been around long before account wide achievements also.

🙄

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

... That is a legacy mechanic from before account wide achievements ....

Snamyap

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Public Dungeon Bosses have internal cooldowns, but can still be spawned by a "newbie" player. That is a legacy mechanic from before account wide achievements.
This will result in no drops when the Boss is defeated and (I think) also "queing the defeat" news until the cooldown is over. Which explains the delay between defeat and update.

... Accountwide Achievements.... 😔

I was always under the assumption that the timer is on the player, not the bosses. To prevent high dps players from farming too efficiently .Would be weird if you get "punished" for the action of other players.

ZOS_Icy

Greetings,

This thread has been moved to the Players Helping Players section, as it is better suited there.

Thank you for your understanding.

Veinblood1965

I thought it would complete if you just killed the main GROUP boss? I'm almost certain of it, I'll check it out on one of my new toons when I get home.

Necrotech_Master

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

I thought it would complete if you just killed the main GROUP boss? I'm almost certain of it, I'll check it out on one of my new toons when I get home.

the group boss is required for the skill point

but if your talking about making the map icon change from black to white, for a public dungeon you have to do the quest associated with the dungeon in addition to killing all of the bosses

vsrs_au

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

Okay, thanks. I will be more aware in the next one, but they do not show on the map as completed so far.

I've found that quite often the map won't update immediately, i.e. the boss icons won't change from black to white until after you've left the dungeon and then go back in. I don't know why, though. Even if the icons don't update immediately, you should get the achievement notifications when you kill most / all the bosses in the dungeon.

the map will usually update if you "zoom out" (go up a level to say the zone map) then close the map and reopen it while still in the dungeon to get the dungeon map back

I tried that myself today, and it works every time. I only have to zoom out then zoom in to make an icon change from black to white, I don't have to reopen the map.

Harold_Hedd

I also found out about the group boss - and everything seems okay now with skill points and quests.

Additionaly I had a new experience yesterday, when I hurried to a Dolmen to join in from the beginning and was attacked by the cultists and then realized that I was the only one present.....that was a rough one to get through.

I had to cheat in the sense that I ran to the orbs to be ready to close them 3 times while I resurected, but man - that was brutal.
I definately nedd to learn more about how to deal more damage if I am to take on Dolmens alone or world bosses.

I also got a quest that turned out to be a Trial for Divyath Fyr in Clockwork City, and that was completely impossible to deal with alone. I guess there is only so much one can do playing solo

ghastley

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

Additionaly I had a new experience yesterday, when I hurried to a Dolmen to join in from the beginning and was attacked by the cultists and then realized that I was the only one present.....that was a rough one to get through.

If you turn up at the beginning, the number of enemies scales to the number of players, so it's not so bad. To really get overwhelmed, you turn up after a group of players has started the dolmen, and then fled!

Harold_Hedd

ghastley wrote: »

If you turn up at the beginning, the number of enemies scales to the number of players, so it's not so bad. To really get overwhelmed, you turn up after a group of players has started the dolmen, and then fled!

Awesome behavior......

Necrotech_Master

Harold_Hedd wrote: »

ghastley wrote: »

If you turn up at the beginning, the number of enemies scales to the number of players, so it's not so bad. To really get overwhelmed, you turn up after a group of players has started the dolmen, and then fled!

Awesome behavior......

i have actually seen newer players die fighting dolmens, and then they wayshrine to rez (possibly because they dont have soul gems), and not all dolmens are near wayshrines lol

edit to add: i honestly could not tell the enemy scaling, if too many players are there i barely even see the enemies spawn as they are insta killed, and solo i can still clear a dolmen in about 5 min lol