Are Bow PVP Builds overpowered?!

Extrawelt

I already did some Bow/Bow Builds in the Past and i´m always surprised how extremely powerful they are!!
With the Bow Spammable Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim enemies basically melt .. way more comfortable to play and superior then classic 2H Builds with Dizzy as Spammable!!
On top with Magnum Shot, we have access to the most annoying ingame mechanic "Knockbacks"!!!
Here my newest StamNB Bow/Bow PVP Build, rly enjoyed palying this one for the last couple of Days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGuyTld2ZDA&t=448s

Build: https://imgur.com/a/Uljs3p0
Race: Orc
Mundus: Warrior
Food: Lava Foot Soup
Potions:
- Essence of Weapon Crit (Maj. Savagery + Stam + HP)
- Tristat
- Detection

Idinuse

Extrawelt wrote: »

I already did some Bow/Bow Builds in the Past and i´m always surprised how extremely powerful they are!!
With the Bow Spammable Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim enemies basically melt .. way more comfortable to play and superior then classic 2H Builds with Dizzy as Spammable!!
On top with Magnum Shot, we have access to the most annoying ingame mechanic "Knockbacks"!!!
Here my newest StamNB Bow/Bow PVP Build, rly enjoyed palying this one for the last couple of Days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGuyTld2ZDA&t=448s

Build: https://imgur.com/a/Uljs3p0
Race: Orc
Mundus: Warrior
Food: Lava Foot Soup
Potions:
- Essence of Weapon Crit (Maj. Savagery + Stam + HP)
- Tristat
- Detection

Yes.
Either tune it down to match Staffs ranged weapon as it is, oh the range vs melee BS..., or buff Staffs to match Bows. They can't bleeding have it both ways already.

geonsocal

shush, quiet, we don't talk about bows much here...

nothing to see here zos, bow damage is just fine

martinhpb16_ESO

Leave bow alone, it's been nerfed into the ground already

rbfrgsp

The cast time on the spammable and the requirement to build all in to damage to be effectual on 2bow builds is its own limitation. It means you absolutely must play at range.

A high pressure counter attack with a snare and unstoppable should always mean the bow wipes.

Mayrael

Nice video, but I don't see anything op in it. Targets are cherry picked, usually the lowest cp, many times player names are repeated. Good build to kill newbies but against any experienced player with optimized build it is harmless.

Necrotech_Master

i use bow on my backbar with a stam NB

lethal arrow, poison injection, assassins scourge, vigor, and magnum shot (buffed by the blackrose bow)

i dont necessarily play as a sniper, as the majority of my kills are usually caused by poison injection (90% from direct dmg on initial hit, remainder from the dot)

moleculardrugs

Idinuse wrote: »

Extrawelt wrote: »

I already did some Bow/Bow Builds in the Past and i´m always surprised how extremely powerful they are!!
With the Bow Spammable Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim enemies basically melt .. way more comfortable to play and superior then classic 2H Builds with Dizzy as Spammable!!
On top with Magnum Shot, we have access to the most annoying ingame mechanic "Knockbacks"!!!
Here my newest StamNB Bow/Bow PVP Build, rly enjoyed palying this one for the last couple of Days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGuyTld2ZDA&t=448s

Build: https://imgur.com/a/Uljs3p0
Race: Orc
Mundus: Warrior
Food: Lava Foot Soup
Potions:
- Essence of Weapon Crit (Maj. Savagery + Stam + HP)
- Tristat
- Detection

Yes.
Either tune it down to match Staffs ranged weapon as it is, oh the range vs melee BS..., or buff Staffs to match Bows. They can't bleeding have it both ways already.

It truly sucks that staves have 1) less range than bows and 2) bows do more damage or have more PvP-benefits than staves…

Rowjoh

The bow skill line has been nerfed extensively over time, and as a primary weapon is the runt of the litter.

Bow is totally underwhelming, has been for ages, definately nowhere near best in slot and really only useful as a utility/support tool or in a niche glass canon build, and even this has been pretty ineffective against the last few meta's especially the ridiculous current one.

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

Turtle_Bot

Rowjoh wrote: »

The bow skill line has been nerfed extensively over time, and as a primary weapon is the runt of the litter.

Bow is totally underwhelming, has been for ages, definately nowhere near best in slot and really only useful as a utility/support tool or in a niche glass canon build.

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: War Maiden (600 spell damage on magicka damage - destro skill line is all magicka)

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

I don't think you've ever used a staff. the base skills are magicka, but as soon as you equip a staff and slot the skill, it turns into the element that matches the type of staff equipped (flame, shock or frost), so warmaiden does not buff the destro line at all, sets like netch do and that's only +400, not the +600 of warmaiden or sword singer/dancer.

Holycannoli

They're only "overpowered" vs glass cannons.

Ankael07

As long as we have glass cannon NB snipers playing behind 30 people, bow will never reach its full potential of fun.

Kikazaru

Pffft no.

I main a glass cannon bow build this patch, and those high health brawlers with experience are impossible to kill. And troll tanks.

Not overpowered in the slightest.

Rowjoh

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

The bow skill line has been nerfed extensively over time, and as a primary weapon is the runt of the litter.

Bow is totally underwhelming, has been for ages, definately nowhere near best in slot and really only useful as a utility/support tool or in a niche glass canon build.

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: War Maiden (600 spell damage on magicka damage - destro skill line is all magicka)

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

I don't think you've ever used a staff. the base skills are magicka, but as soon as you equip a staff and slot the skill, it turns into the element that matches the type of staff equipped (flame, shock or frost), so warmaiden does not buff the destro line at all, sets like netch do and that's only +400, not the +600 of warmaiden or sword singer/dancer.

yes you're correct, my bad! but....

Spider Cultist > 600 weapon damage to destruction staff abilities.

I've amended my previous comment so the point I make is still valid.

Rowjoh

so, anyone know or care to explain why 'Bow' is the only offensive weapon that doesn't have a 5th set bonus that gives 600 weapon/spell damage ! ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

Mannjdyr

Rowjoh wrote: »

so, anyone know or care to explain why 'Bow' is the only offensive weapon that doesn't have a 5th set bonus that gives 600 weapon/spell damage ! ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

Bow have a 5th set bonus that give 600 weapon/spell damage for many skill-> Swamp Raider

Rowjoh

Mannjdyr wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

so, anyone know or care to explain why 'Bow' is the only offensive weapon that doesn't have a 5th set bonus that gives 600 weapon/spell damage ! ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

Bow have a 5th set bonus that give 600 weapon/spell damage for many skill-> Swamp Raider

sure but those type of sets are additional sets that EVERY weapon has excess too AS WELL. I say again - the point is that Bow doesnt have a bespoke 600 damage set when all the others do

Why ?

Baconlad

Bow has three sets the increase bow skills.

-eagle eye gives ranged crit as a three piece and only comes in bows I believe.
-marksman gives 8% damage to bow skills against players.
-hawk eye gives 5% bow damage and 5% bow cost reduction.
-lastly and not specifically for bow but as there's not much poison skills, swamp raider. Buffs all poison morphs. Doesn't effect the bleed skill or the non poison morph of snipe.


Also, bow builds aren't OP. They can be very good at taking out other high damage low defense builds. Against brawlers its pretty good at killing them when they are preoccupied with other players.

I use my dark flare build very similarly to a non NB bow user. But I get a super powerful execute and stun that they don't get. I'd argue that I'm better than non NB bow users at the role.

Being able to sneak away after a failed gank is super potent

TheS1X

Please buff bows, please!

Caribou77

Seems to me a competent bow build right now does a good job of taking down squishy builds or medium builds low on health. Should it be able to do more? At range? And then stealth away?

Lotta people using bows effectively in pvp as things are, in my experience.

LittlePinkDot

I made a Kahjiit bow/Necro. But I use silver shards as the spammable.

cuddles_with_wroble

no they arent. bow is actually probably the weakest weapon in the game when you look at the passives as they really only buff the bow skills most of which are pretty useless in alot of cases.

i think that bow builds are very strong but thats not really bcs bow is strong but rather bcs range damage in this meta is far stronger than melee damage right now. the amount of burst and pressure you can put while being 30 meters away from someone is on par if not higher than melee builds all while being safe to kite away from them if you get in a bad situation

Tessitura

Rowjoh wrote: »

The bow skill line has been nerfed extensively over time, and as a primary weapon is the runt of the litter.

Bow is totally underwhelming, has been for ages, definately nowhere near best in slot and really only useful as a utility/support tool or in a niche glass canon build, and even this has been pretty ineffective against the last few meta's especially the ridiculous current one.

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

I know this is a bit of a Necro post but I had to say it.

I mean, you are only looking at it in a vacuum. Its still really powerful in pvp with NB. Bow is only broken when put in the hands of a NB. Neither are super strong by themselves but together they are way too much for a vast majority of players not in cp. Which means they remain very powerful in BGs. They do have to build as a glass canon but they can run away easily with a quick stealth before someone gets to them so it doesn't hurt a NB like it does every other class.

katorga

Bow + NB is completely different from Bow + Other Class.

The_Lex

Bows are definitely not OP. lol

Luede

bows are only op when the target is busy with another opponent

Meurto

Tessitura wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

The bow skill line has been nerfed extensively over time, and as a primary weapon is the runt of the litter.

Bow is totally underwhelming, has been for ages, definately nowhere near best in slot and really only useful as a utility/support tool or in a niche glass canon build, and even this has been pretty ineffective against the last few meta's especially the ridiculous current one.

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

2 Handers: Sword Singer's
Dual Wield: Sword Dancer
Destro staff: Spider Cultist

Restro staff: Light Speaker

Even the defensive line: One Hand & Shield has Knights Errant which details 450 weapon damage with a decent bonus heal attached for good measure!

I know this is a bit of a Necro post but I had to say it.

I mean, you are only looking at it in a vacuum. Its still really powerful in pvp with NB. Bow is only broken when put in the hands of a NB. Neither are super strong by themselves but together they are way too much for a vast majority of players not in cp. Which means they remain very powerful in BGs. They do have to build as a glass canon but they can run away easily with a quick stealth before someone gets to them so it doesn't hurt a NB like it does every other class.

I think it is pretty easy to piece together the motivation behind this post.

Poster died in pvp to a NB using a bow
Poster googled "ESO nb pvp bow OP" and only found this single post in the last year
Poster necro'd this post

Honestly, in cyro when I see a NB using a bow it is free AP. Most NBs are quite terrible and might be my single greatest source of AP.

Meurto

katorga wrote: »

Bow + NB is completely different from Bow + Other Class.

I would agree with this. NBs with a bow are free AP. I still see a few stam sorc bow builds in cyro and I would much rather run into the NB with a bow.

birdik

block and healing are op, other i dont care

The_Lex

Luede wrote: »

bows are only op when the target is busy with another opponent

Well said

AndreNoir

Rowjoh wrote: »

and why do all other offensive weapons have a gear set with a 5th piece bonus of 600 weapon/spell damage, except bow ?

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