Occult Overload

Dangranma_Burgrukgad

12k damage because someone near you dies.
Great mechanic. Such skillfull gameplay.
Another wonderfull addition from the ESO combat team.

note: I will not go where there is no one. I am not interested in PvDooring. I want to be where big battles are.

kurbbie_s

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

OBJnoob

Wow huge vote down for the above comment... Uuuh

Yeah I agree that occult overload is pretty ridiculous. I really don't like that its a thing but at the very least reduce the damage significantly.

The problem isn't vicious death because at least then you're a declared bomber, this is the 5 piece you chose and this is what it entitles you to, at the opportunity cost of... Blahblah. Whereas now some guy dizzy swings you and you blow up? Lol, its just a bad idea. But okay so there's an opportunity cost to slotting the cp too I suppose... Or at least there should be... So just lower the damage. And/or change it from oblivion.

Dangranma_Burgrukgad

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

You are comparing a full set to a CP?

Please enlighten me, how do you see PvP in Cyro?
A little group scouring the map to turn some resource and then run away? Attack some empty keep and fight against a door?

Some of us enjoy fighting, the bigger the fight the more the fun.
Bridge fights, defendending a keep against a horde of enemies, that's were the fun is.
But we want to fight against skills not agaist some overtuned trash set or cp.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

MrLasagna wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

You are comparing a full set to a CP?

Please enlighten me, how do you see PvP in Cyro?
A little group scouring the map to turn some resource and then run away? Attack some empty keep and fight against a door?

Some of us enjoy fighting, the bigger the fight the more the fun.
Bridge fights, defendending a keep against a horde of enemies, that's were the fun is.
But we want to fight against skills not agaist some overtuned trash set or cp.

Truly the biggest issue with bombing in general is how punishing it is for playing melee in a large scale fight. Don't have to be a zergling to get caught in a bomb when your trying to slice n dice the enemies frontline. Feels wrong when your having a big 20v20 fight and a bomb blows you up. Sure if your 20v1ing someone like a zergling then you earned that explosion, but thats not how it is most of the time. Most of the time you are engaging the other teams melee fighters and a DC goes off and you dead. Very fun gameplay.

jaws343

I've lately found Occult Overload even more ridiculous in Imperial City. You get caught fighting adds against a player using it and you are extremely likely to be blown up with the other player intentionally targeting the adds to get the overload proc on you.

TechMaybeHic

Right now I feel like if it didn't exist, players wouldn't die. Then again; maybe players would build more damage if they didn't become a bomb for the enemy.

ToRelax

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Ankael07

ToRelax wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Occult is a PVP star. It deals oblivion damage and 13k damage on killing blow is too low for PVE DDs.

Plus avoiding stationary NPCs is easier than avoiding allies. People will need to learn to keep an eye out for low hp NPCs

jaws343

Ankael07 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Occult is a PVP star. It deals oblivion damage and 13k damage on killing blow is too low for PVE DDs.

Plus avoiding stationary NPCs is easier than avoiding allies. People will need to learn to keep an eye out for low hp NPCs

I'll repeat again, avoiding NPCs is literally impossible in Imperial City.

Also, pretty impossible during keep fights when you are fighting enemies on the flags to avoid them taking the keep.

DaisyRay

jaws343 wrote: »

I've lately found Occult Overload even more ridiculous in Imperial City. You get caught fighting adds against a player using it and you are extremely likely to be blown up with the other player intentionally targeting the adds to get the overload proc on you.

I didn't know this was a thing. >> I should do that when groups are chasing me down. Thank you.

Ankael07

jaws343 wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Occult is a PVP star. It deals oblivion damage and 13k damage on killing blow is too low for PVE DDs.

Plus avoiding stationary NPCs is easier than avoiding allies. People will need to learn to keep an eye out for low hp NPCs

I'll repeat again, avoiding NPCs is literally impossible in Imperial City.

Also, pretty impossible during keep fights when you are fighting enemies on the flags to avoid them taking the keep.

Thats where the star is supposed to be good at. Breaking the stalemate of long keep fights and chokepoints. In IC you can kill the mobs first before fully engaging the enemy. Pay more attention to the HP of surrounding NPCs.

Necrotech_Master

jaws343 wrote: »

I've lately found Occult Overload even more ridiculous in Imperial City. You get caught fighting adds against a player using it and you are extremely likely to be blown up with the other player intentionally targeting the adds to get the overload proc on you.

i actually had this happen (not to me, but to the person i was fighting)

i run plague break on my build, and i plagued a bunch of NPCs and the person i was fighting tried a necro bomb with DC and colossus, needless to say the colossus killed the NPCs that DC yanked in, and they ended up blowing themselves up while i got away (barely lol)

Oakenaxe

The fact that it procs on mobs and guards is just ridiculous, it is surprising this is even a thing (from a PvP perspective).

ToRelax

Ankael07 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Occult is a PVP star. It deals oblivion damage and 13k damage on killing blow is too low for PVE DDs.

Plus avoiding stationary NPCs is easier than avoiding allies. People will need to learn to keep an eye out for low hp NPCs

Oblivion damage is aimed at PvP, yes, that doesn't change how or why things are the way they are.

Looking out for NPC's health is a great idea - make sure not to stay to close to several full health NPCs, as they could be killed within a second without you being able to prevent it.

paulychan

when I solo rss, I leave a few npc's at low health. When I spy a ganker/ bomber via my detect pot or skill, I use them as bombs via OO.
edit - worth noting... this can of course bckfire

Dem_kitkats1

Ankael07 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

kurbbie_s wrote: »

you arent complaining about vicious death are you? cause it does the same thing, maybe stop being a zergling and standing next to everyone.

Vicious Death as a specifically PvP oriented set only procs on player kills. Occult Overload procs on mobs and keep guards, you should not get punished for getting close to those.

Occult is a PVP star. It deals oblivion damage and 13k damage on killing blow is too low for PVE DDs.

Plus avoiding stationary NPCs is easier than avoiding allies. People will need to learn to keep an eye out for low hp NPCs

Avoiding or refraining from fights near NPCs on resources for fear of a non skill based, CP slottable does not make sense in a PvP environment. Players should be encouraged to engage with each other in order to achieve the objective, and not be punished for doing so. IMO, telling players not to stack close to each other or NPCs is a pitiful counter, and is punishing to certain playstyles. Especially when such a mechanic isn't even skill based, which is what players have an issue with.

charley222

yea idk who have the genius idea too put this in the game

i`m done with CP for pvp , i guess the good news , no more rush too grind CP anymore