Unacceptable Damage

MEBengalsFan2001

Wearing pariah and buffer of the swift and in one second I get killed by this. This type of damage is unacceptable. I have 2500 crit resistance and 33k resistance without anything else. I also had major protection and swift on and yet all of these damage mitigation did nothing. I also got stunned when the NB came out of stealth and I also have radiant light on my build so how did his heavy attack stun me. Slippery didn’t even trigger as well to break me free.

First thing in the morning and there is absolutely no lag.

This type of experience is bad enough for an experienced player but if it was someone new, this is why new players don’t stick around to play pvp. It’s not fun. Even when they are setup as a tank build.

KilianDermoth

Solution: Just play Nightblade or quit.

If you choose the former you get even buffed while all other get nerft next patch.

And on top of that you have even better survivability tools than just stacking mitigation. Just vanish and negate plenty of damage to 0.

But with such high damage and the possibility of first strike (combined with the highest damage in the game) you probably wont even need your survivability tools that often.

MajorSnakeFox

Wait for next Patch KEKW

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

MEBengalsFan2001

Being gank and dying this morning was annoying.

Followed this issue up with having all of my healing abilities greyed out along with my potion but not my damaging abilities. This happens frequently when going against EP alliance on NA PSN server and is usually why I can't survive fight because I can't heal with a potion or an ability. And as I noted above there was no lag this morning and if there was lag my damage abilities also would be an issue using.

As for the NB ganking me, I usually don't die from a NB ganking me. I am usually able to heal or block attacks after they hit me the first or second attack. However, this player got 3 hits off before I could even do anything.

Prior to this post my friend and I jumped into BR zone on different alliance characters and did some testing with his NB vs the gear setup I had. He couldn't even get me down to 25% and he even had 1 extra attack in his rotation. He tried 7-8 different setup that he uses to gank and kill players all the time with in PVP. He was lost for words as to how I died.

As for quitting, I never said I would quit. I basically stated why there aren't as many newer players to PVP. It's because of issues like this.

Holycannoli

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Don't forget Mara's Balm.

MEBengalsFan2001

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

I realize my post was not very productive. I will tell you from experience that the hardest people to gank are not solely relying on passive defense from their sets to survive. Constantly be moving, blocking, and dodging even when no one else is around. Unless you are in your factions safe zone you should never stop being on guard or letting your buffs fall. The concealed weapon in your recap could have been dodged if you had reacted slightly faster and that is what ultimately sealed your fate. Personally I wouldn't rely on slippery to work, in my experience its slower then just breaking free yourself. I think its more designed for accessibility rather then being the fastest way to break free.

Janni

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

I realize my post was not very productive. I will tell you from experience that the hardest people to gank are not solely relying on passive defense from their sets to survive. Constantly be moving, blocking, and dodging even when no one else is around. Unless you are in your factions safe zone you should never stop being on guard or letting your buffs fall. The concealed weapon in your recap could have been dodged if you had reacted slightly faster and that is what ultimately sealed your fate. Personally I wouldn't rely on slippery to work, in my experience its slower then just breaking free yourself. I think its more designed for accessibility rather then being the fastest way to break free.

The problem is that with the way the game is 'reacting faster' isn't something most people can do. Not because we aren't able but just because the game just won't let us. Usually my breakfrees take anywhere from 1 to 2 seconds on a good night and they can last the full length of the stun when it gets laggy. I pretty much keep my buffs up at all times - lol I can't even walk through town to do writs without doing it out of habit now. But there are just some setups that when they strike, if the lag is just right, you just can't survive no matter what. What's even worse is that if I do manage to survive I end up not ever being able to pull the nightblade out of stealth long enough to actually counter attack them. Like, last year I could easily cast a skill that would strike them and pull them out of cloak long enough for me to target them with something else. Now it doesn't even seem to pull them out of cloak half of the time and even if it does I just don't have the time to attack with a second skill before they've disappeared.

DaisyRay

I was going to copy and paste my previous comment about gankers, but it would be pointless. You all complain too much. Hopefully you'll finally be happy when u35 goes live, but I very much doubt it.

MEBengalsFan2001

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

I realize my post was not very productive. I will tell you from experience that the hardest people to gank are not solely relying on passive defense from their sets to survive. Constantly be moving, blocking, and dodging even when no one else is around. Unless you are in your factions safe zone you should never stop being on guard or letting your buffs fall. The concealed weapon in your recap could have been dodged if you had reacted slightly faster and that is what ultimately sealed your fate. Personally I wouldn't rely on slippery to work, in my experience its slower then just breaking free yourself. I think its more designed for accessibility rather then being the fastest way to break free.

I didn’t have time to react. I was dead before I could even hit any buttons to react.

Normally I don’t need so many defensive sets but when the opposing side has all the buffs I do go a bit more defensive. That experience was the first time I got so badly gank in that setup that I couldn’t do anything other than die.

Like I said tested my sets out and I am extremely sturdy in that gear. With all the buffs from scrolls and what not my friend couldn’t kill me even with an extra hit on me.

NordSwordnBoard

On the same alliance and recognize the name. I'm glad to know we have out own out there - you guys have em and so do the other guys lol. It's probably gonna stop next patch. The dw heavy into other skills is hard to escape if they do it right.

I've been aggravated by double break frees and such, and these ganks are packing a huge punch with little counterplay after they engage. It's when you have counterplay that fails/desynch and you die that you can blame the game but that still sucks to die like that. The good thing is there aren't that many out there - I still get more failed ganks than successful ones on me. If you really hate ganks, use zoal and slippery.

Mara's Balm

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

I realize my post was not very productive. I will tell you from experience that the hardest people to gank are not solely relying on passive defense from their sets to survive. Constantly be moving, blocking, and dodging even when no one else is around. Unless you are in your factions safe zone you should never stop being on guard or letting your buffs fall. The concealed weapon in your recap could have been dodged if you had reacted slightly faster and that is what ultimately sealed your fate. Personally I wouldn't rely on slippery to work, in my experience its slower then just breaking free yourself. I think its more designed for accessibility rather then being the fastest way to break free.

I didn’t have time to react. I was dead before I could even hit any buttons to react.

Normally I don’t need so many defensive sets but when the opposing side has all the buffs I do go a bit more defensive. That experience was the first time I got so badly gank in that setup that I couldn’t do anything other than die.

Like I said tested my sets out and I am extremely sturdy in that gear. With all the buffs from scrolls and what not my friend couldn’t kill me even with an extra hit on me.

It had to be lag, but you say there was none.

Heavy attack stunned you, which should be where you start breaking free. Then the incap lands right before you can defend yourself. Anything after the calurions can be dodged/blocked/healed through.

Only time I get hit with the third attack is if its lagging or if I am slacking. Only time I land the third hit myself is if the guy doesn't react fast enough(which may just be lag on their end). Your defense didn't fail you, but zos's servers probably did. If the game would work properly you could have totally mitigated that concealed weapon. I am sure you will get another chance in the future to react before that third hits lands and you will see.

Thecompton73

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

I highly doubt the person that ganked you like this was getting a bunch of buffs from a group. At most gankers will group with other gankers to hit you at the same time but they're not providing every possible buff to each other like a ball groups does.

fred4

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Well you are in luck because calurions is basically deleted from the game next patch and oaken is also nerfed. Just wait till next patch I suppose. Who knows what new and exciting thing our prey will come up with as an excuse for dying! Maybe the next best proc set? Isn't op today, but if it shows up in a recap after the patch releases it must be. Perhaps cloak will return to being the primary focus?
Never can tell what the newest cope will be, but regardless you will still get ganked next patch.

Oakensoul is adjusted to not be so overpowered. It isn't actually a nerf as most groups run someone that uses a set that provides major courage, so spell/weapon damage wise it is a buff. Some groups even run the horn in PVP making the oakensoul now even stronger. The bigger drop in damage will be from losing major berserk, but there is a set to give you that and now you can have both major and minor rather easily. As for major protection, just slot flare. The only buff really lost would be major heroism. That is if you play in a group.

As for calurions being adjusted, it is about time that gets put in line with other proc sets.

I realize my post was not very productive. I will tell you from experience that the hardest people to gank are not solely relying on passive defense from their sets to survive. Constantly be moving, blocking, and dodging even when no one else is around. Unless you are in your factions safe zone you should never stop being on guard or letting your buffs fall. The concealed weapon in your recap could have been dodged if you had reacted slightly faster and that is what ultimately sealed your fate. Personally I wouldn't rely on slippery to work, in my experience its slower then just breaking free yourself. I think its more designed for accessibility rather then being the fastest way to break free.

I didn’t have time to react. I was dead before I could even hit any buttons to react.

Yes, I'd say you didn't. You would only have had time to react with Miat's addon, on PC. Here's why, and why xxslam48xxb14_ESO's analysis is wrong: Ultimates have a 400ms delay. If you got stunned from Incap, then Caluurion and Concealed were both guaranteed hits in this particular combo. They hit 600ms after the Incap stun, but it would have taken 1000ms for Slippery or yourself to break free and for something like Zoal to counterstun the attacker. I'm not sure of how exactly Radiant Magelight acts, e.g. whether it only applies to the stun from out of crouch heavy attacks. I think it may be a specific counter only to that.

On the other hand, your time to react was when you got heavy attacked, before the stun. However the only way you would realistically do that - though you would do it fairly reliably - is with Miat's addon, on PC. This makes a sound and your reaction to that sound should be a dodge roll. After a while of using that addon, those dodge rolls become ingrained in your habits. You would have dodged Incap and Caluurion. Note also how Caluurion is dependent on the leading heavy attack. To coincide with the stun and proc Caluurion at all, the heavy attack was needed. This is ultimately the flaw of the attacker's combo. It won't work well against Miat-using targets on PC.

Being hit for 10K is high, but also not a complete surprise in the current patch. Probably a bunch of lucky crits. I have been hit for 15K Incap on my squishier builds. It's just that this patch has been extremely high damage. The previous patch was already high damage, then we got Oakensoul. Nightblades normally don't have all of those buffs upfront in a gank, or at all.

This doesn't detract from recommendations, such as moving all the time, blocking, dodge rolling, throwing Revealing Flares, occasional Magelight, wearing Sentry, and so on. As a nightblade I think twice of very active players or ones that constantly cast detection. Even if they don't see me, it's a deterrent or I may mess up my gank.

Next patch is in a week (on PC). Many things are changing. Caluurion. Oakensoul. Light and heavy attacks. Concealed is getting a buff, but all of the rest adds up to some hefty nerfs. Just wait.

fred4

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

It had to be lag, but you say there was none.

I think this is possible without lag, because:

Heavy attack stunned you

Nope. It could, but this is not a foregone conclusion. A heavy attack from out of combat will only stun, if the attacker crouches. If they merely cloak, then the heavy attack does not stun. Given the attacker used Concealed, making them a magblade or a hybrid, it's actually kind of natural for them not to crouch. They might have done so for extra heavy attack damage, but on the other hand they probably worked out the timing of their combo to produce exactly the result that happened here, e.g. for Caluurion and Concealed to land guaranteed after the Incap.

This is a consequence of ZOS' (arguably misguided) efforts to make things easier for beginning players by having ult delays. Those delays shift the timing of subsequent attacks closer to the ult. For ults that stun, Incap, Leap, others, the followup attack after the ult becomes unavoidable, as long as you land the ult. If the target was very much on the ball, then maybe they could have dodged the combo from hearing the scream of the Incap alone, even without Miat's addon. However once Incap stunned them, they were done for. Running your combo that way also prevents the attacker from being counterstunned by Zoal in time. Those are good reasons for the attacker to do exactly what I described.

Your defense didn't fail you, but zos's servers probably did. If the game would work properly you could have totally mitigated that concealed weapon. I am sure you will get another chance in the future to react before that third hits lands and you will see.

No. I'd say this was legit how the game works in this case.

Didgerion

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Wearing pariah and buffer of the swift and in one second I get killed by this. This type of damage is unacceptable. I have 2500 crit resistance and 33k resistance without anything else. I also had major protection and swift on and yet all of these damage mitigation did nothing. I also got stunned when the NB came out of stealth and I also have radiant light on my build so how did his heavy attack stun me. Slippery didn’t even trigger as well to break me free.

First thing in the morning and there is absolutely no lag.

This type of experience is bad enough for an experienced player but if it was someone new, this is why new players don’t stick around to play pvp. It’s not fun. Even when they are setup as a tank build.

Those are results of Proc Sets and CP stacking.

It is beyond my comprehension why players are going in that NB's realm.

With that sets you described you will do so much better in no CP campaign.

MEBengalsFan2001

fred4 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

It had to be lag, but you say there was none.

I think this is possible without lag, because:

Heavy attack stunned you

Nope. It could, but this is not a foregone conclusion. A heavy attack from out of combat will only stun, if the attacker crouches. If they merely cloak, then the heavy attack does not stun. Given the attacker used Concealed, making them a magblade or a hybrid, it's actually kind of natural for them not to crouch. They might have done so for extra heavy attack damage, but on the other hand they probably worked out the timing of their combo to produce exactly the result that happened here, e.g. for Caluurion and Concealed to land guaranteed after the Incap.

This is a consequence of ZOS' (arguably misguided) efforts to make things easier for beginning players by having ult delays. Those delays shift the timing of subsequent attacks closer to the ult. For ults that stun, Incap, Leap, others, the followup attack after the ult becomes unavoidable, as long as you land the ult. If the target was very much on the ball, then maybe they could have dodged the combo from hearing the scream of the Incap alone, even without Miat's addon. However once Incap stunned them, they were done for. Running your combo that way also prevents the attacker from being counterstunned by Zoal in time. Those are good reasons for the attacker to do exactly what I described.

Your defense didn't fail you, but zos's servers probably did. If the game would work properly you could have totally mitigated that concealed weapon. I am sure you will get another chance in the future to react before that third hits lands and you will see.

No. I'd say this was legit how the game works in this case.

Problem is I didn't hear anything other than him attacking me out of stealth and before I could even hit block or any button I was dead. It wasn't even one second and all of those attacks came through. Normally I can block, dodge roll or heal but I couldn't do anything.

DrNukenstein

You don't see nightblades asking for nerfs on every other class just because they have more standing power and team fight utility

KilianDermoth

Yes you do...

Just search the forum how plenty nerfs they asked for literally against any other class.

They got them.

Or topics where night blades even call anti stealth potions cheating, the only reliable anti stealth players have, which has a big downtime and comes at the cost that you are forced to use specific potions.

And many other ridiculous stuff.

Also they are the least nerft and most buffed in the next patch, it would be just ridiculous to cry for more buffs and more nerfs of other classes...

ArgonianAustin

I see you wear buffer of the swift, i wonder how tanky youd be with swift, potentates, major protection, minor protection, spirit mender and necrotic potentency, 41% damage reduction.

I want to try this on my necro some day, i have the gear but too much fun bombing at the moment.

olsborg

Caluurion and Oakensoul is both nerfed enough to not be so broken next patch, and i cant even understand how ZOS could let oakensoul into the livegame , it should have never...

Caribou77

Not looking forward to the U35 cloak n gank meta.

Ive tried NB, and just don’t enjoy building to nuke someone from stealth before they can react, then, if theyre tanky/skilled enough to survive and fight, you just cloak and go find some squishy noob you can insta-kill. Not a fun playing style, for me.

I like duels that last awhile agsinst a good opponent where you have the opportunity to test each others reaction times and unique playing styles.

Not looking forward to NB Gankers taking over for MagDks (and I dont play DK).

ltzVapez

👀

biminirwb17_ESO

"Ravage an enemy with a swift strike, dealing 3718 Disease Damage and causing them to take 20% more damage from your attacks for 6 seconds. If cast with 120 or more Ultimate, the enemy is stunned for 3 seconds"

"When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon and Spell Damage equal to the amount of total Ultimate consumed, and Physical and Spell Penetration equal to 23 times the amount for 12 seconds."

You got incapped. Then cheesed, it happens.

Iriidius

I got ganked by 6k heavy 16k incap 16k calurion a few times. And somehow calurion seems to hit after much less than 1 second. Even if i block immediately, i still die. It seems like the time you have to react is negative. It is overtuned if a player can kill you using only heavy, ultimate and proc sets. I think there were times when a burst combo consisted of spammable, burst ulti, burst skill and execute. You should at least have to use an execute OR a spammable to kill your target after/before your ult. A nb ganker should be able to kill a glasscanon and also a tanky target if he reacts really slow but not an average target that reacts fast.

ltzVapez

I mean I have used many different builds on a nightblade, I used to be pretty good on a teather bomber. It is all down to the playstyle and I don't specifically target anyone, although if people are running less than 35k health I can hit them pretty hard out of stealth yet that being said there are times where I cannot and if I don't get the kill then there is a very good chance that I will probably die.

I have seen people using stealth DK heavy attack builds hitting for around 24k which almost one shot me with 1 skill so I don't really feel guilty about running the build how it is at the minute and if it has warranted this forum post then I must be doing something right

See you on the battlefield.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

ltzVapez wrote: »

I mean I have used many different builds on a nightblade, I used to be pretty good on a teather bomber. It is all down to the playstyle and I don't specifically target anyone, although if people are running less than 35k health I can hit them pretty hard out of stealth yet that being said there are times where I cannot and if I don't get the kill then there is a very good chance that I will probably die.

I have seen people using stealth DK heavy attack builds hitting for around 24k which almost one shot me with 1 skill so I don't really feel guilty about running the build how it is at the minute and if it has warranted this forum post then I must be doing something right

See you on the battlefield.

So did you crouch or did you just run up while invisible? We must settle this minor debate to see it bengal could have reacted or not. Either way I still think it was lag since he has stated it all landed in 1 second which mechanically is impossible outside of doo doo servers.

DrSlaughtr

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Wearing pariah and buffer of the swift and in one second I get killed by this. This type of damage is unacceptable. I have 2500 crit resistance and 33k resistance without anything else. I also had major protection and swift on and yet all of these damage mitigation did nothing. I also got stunned when the NB came out of stealth and I also have radiant light on my build so how did his heavy attack stun me. Slippery didn’t even trigger as well to break me free.

First thing in the morning and there is absolutely no lag.

This type of experience is bad enough for an experienced player but if it was someone new, this is why new players don’t stick around to play pvp. It’s not fun. Even when they are setup as a tank build.

That damage isn't that high, tbh. The Caluurions definitely hit crit. Probably the concealed, too. Maybe the incap.

Pariah is better against brawlers, but it's not as good as it used to be. With burst handle, you're already f'd by the time the pariah proc kicks in against such high burst damage. You can't escape the execute damage.

If you're running swift and pariah, I have to wonder what you are doing defensively to counter that attack.

You say slippery didn't auto break you free. Were you on cooldown?

Roll dodge backwards to get out of flank.

Were you on your radiant magelight bar? I'll be honest I'm not sure how well it works to block the cc, and I run it too.

Major Protection isn't going to save you. It's not nearly as powerful as it once was, but on the flip side it's much easier to get.

Did you block facing the nightblade? You don't want them hitting you from flank even if you're blocking.

If you're wanting to be tanky boy, your sets are not going to do the job. With swift and pariah you aren't unkillable by the top burst class. Meanwhile you have no damage to kill the NB first.

Maras balm. Juggernaut. Ironblood (though not as good as it was). Even Trial by fire. All better than pariah and swift.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Wearing pariah and buffer of the swift and in one second I get killed by this. This type of damage is unacceptable. I have 2500 crit resistance and 33k resistance without anything else. I also had major protection and swift on and yet all of these damage mitigation did nothing. I also got stunned when the NB came out of stealth and I also have radiant light on my build so how did his heavy attack stun me. Slippery didn’t even trigger as well to break me free.

First thing in the morning and there is absolutely no lag.

This type of experience is bad enough for an experienced player but if it was someone new, this is why new players don’t stick around to play pvp. It’s not fun. Even when they are setup as a tank build.

Meanwhile a person using a staff (nightblade) can't get nearly as much as damage.

Most of the time the only skill used by these setups is 'surprise attack x4'.... pretty boring and overpowered, yup.

Caribou77

Agree ^^

Hence my first post: cloak n gank just isn’t an interesting playing style, from my perspective.

Everyone is certainly entitled to enjoy the game however they want.