Dont take stun from Surprise Attack ability, it will be disaster.

birdik

Just make teleport strike stun again, unblockable from stealth and instant cast - problem solved.

I just tried fear recently, it s not okay too much mana burn and extra slot

Dagobertfuk

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Dagobertfuk wrote: »

Funny how all people write that the stun is to strong on supriseattack blablabla. Other classes need a extra cc ability, while nb got it in his main spammable blablabla. But nobody of them loses a word about that the stun can happen all 15 or 17 seconds and if some other target got offbalance cd from someone else it also doesnt work. [snip]

Yea, dk can have useless nb fear, and we got Shattering Rocks what are cc, damage and heal?

Imo its not about what other classes have its about what nightblades dont have when our only cc comes from suprise attack, while other classes have an extra skill to cc.

People call the stun on suprise attack to strong or overtuned, but they dont see [snip] that nightblades dont have control when we stun the enemys except the first hit and that the stun got a 15 or 17 cooldown per target and if we go for another target that is on offbalance cd, we cant even stun it. While other classes with extra cc abilities can do it every 6 seconds or how long cc immunity is.

I dont care if the stun is gone because its garbage cc anyway and happens most times when i dont really need it. Its just good to apply dots like rending slashes when the fight begins and after that i dont give [snip] about the stun. [snip]

[edited for profanity bypass/bashing]

IZZEFlameLash

master_vanargand wrote: »

Streak has stun.
Surprise Attack does not have stun.
Why? where is the game balance?

Since when did Sorc Streak become a spammable?

the1andonlyskwex

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sorry but surprise attack not stunning is a buff if you know what you're doing. It still applies off balance, which means you can now control your stun instead of having it attached to your spammable. Nightblade also still has access to two other on demand stuns, which is a whole 2 more than other classes.

ZSorry but nb have worst in the game gapcloser who is slowest in the game and doesnt work in 80% of the time and dont follow enemy like other one, and nb cant facetank like other classes can etc etc etc. nb was balanced around sa, and off balance have 15 sec imune, you hypicrite. No problem sorcs can have SA but instead nb get streak, and dk can have consuming darkness but give nb dragon leap and corrosive armor, deal?

Anyone who thinks Teleport Strike is the worst gap closer in the game hasn't tried Empowering Chains.

L_Nici

You still realise, that you do Stun from Stealth anyway? Surprise Attacks Stun, did nothing there beside letting you stun outside of Stealth.

Tommy_The_Gun

Some one on forums (can't remember if it was in this thread or other) mentioned important thing.

While Veiled Strike & morphs is one of the best NB's abilities, NB has other skills that are either never used or are very niche - simply because those are just um... bad abilities. Consuming Darkness is probably one of the worst ultimate in the game. Impale (even with the slight buff it got) won't be used at all. Teleport Strike & morphs is incredibly unreliable and as long as it won't be doing reliably what it is supposed to do (close the gap) - you may buff it with everything & no one will run it. Mark Target - same thing. Even when it was "free of any cost" - no one used it. It will now have a resource cost - so no one will use it too. Siphoning Strikes used to be NB's bread & butter sustain skill. And who uses it nowadays ? Even Path of Darkness is arguably a meh skill.

If NB has so many unused class abilities that are not used for various reasons, then why not add something to those instead of tinkering with Veiled Strike & morphs - skill that is already very good ? This is something I do not understand at all.

But the weirdest part is ZOS argument they used when they removed stun from Veiled Strike & morphs.

Because they added other CCs to NB toolkit. What other CCs ? All they did is they buffed fear to the point in which it is comparable with Fighters Guild fear (Turn Evil). That is not adding "new CCs". That is simply standardising the old one lol.

Falcon_of_light

L_Nici wrote: »

You still realise, that you do Stun from Stealth anyway? Surprise Attacks Stun, did nothing there beside letting you stun outside of Stealth.

1 stun for a 1-2 minute fight vs bruiser or 3-4 minute fight vs tank who are 95% of pvp population... Waow, maybe streak will not heave stun 2, or maybe dk stun what damage and healing will be just only cc like *** nb fear? You are hypocrite.

Falcon_of_light

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Streak has stun.
Surprise Attack does not have stun.
Why? where is the game balance?

Since when did Sorc Streak become a spammable?

Since streack are the best ability in the game - best offencive cc, deffencive cc, gapcloser and escape tool. Or dk cc have heal on it and damage... And what will have nb? 4k manacost fear, thats it?[snip]

[edited for bashing]

Falcon_of_light

Dagobertfuk wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Dagobertfuk wrote: »

Funny how all people write that the stun is to strong on supriseattack blablabla. Other classes need a extra cc ability, while nb got it in his main spammable blablabla. But nobody of them loses a word about that the stun can happen all 15 or 17 seconds and if some other target got offbalance cd from someone else it also doesnt work. [snip]

Yea, dk can have useless nb fear, and we got Shattering Rocks what are cc, damage and heal?

Imo its not about what other classes have its about what nightblades dont have when our only cc comes from suprise attack, while other classes have an extra skill to cc.

People call the stun on suprise attack to strong or overtuned, but they dont see [snip] that nightblades dont have control when we stun the enemys except the first hit and that the stun got a 15 or 17 cooldown per target and if we go for another target that is on offbalance cd, we cant even stun it. While other classes with extra cc abilities can do it every 6 seconds or how long cc immunity is.

I dont care if the stun is gone because its garbage cc anyway and happens most times when i dont really need it. Its just good to apply dots like rending slashes when the fight begins and after that i dont give [snip] about the stun. [snip]

[snip], 4k cost fear with no damage and healing like nb have, not range damage like plars or not a streack what is both best in the game gapcloser and escape tool. Nightblade CANT replace sa stun with anything good, because for nb its the only reasonable cc tool. You think sorcs will use streack if it will dont do damage and move them, or dk will use their cc if it will not do damage to enemy and heal em? But this is exact same thing, nb just will have *** fear with high cost and with no other effect like other classes have. All balance of the nightblades was around cloak and surprise attack, literally all other ability is nishe [snip]

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Falcon_of_light

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Streak has stun.
Surprise Attack does not have stun.
Why? where is the game balance?

Since when did Sorc Streak become a spammable?

since they use it non[snip] stop because its the best abiulity in the game.

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biminirwb17_ESO

As a nb if you can't burst down an opponent in 10 seconds cloak and find another fight. If you want to fight bruisers and tanks over many minutes find another class.

IZZEFlameLash

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Streak has stun.
Surprise Attack does not have stun.
Why? where is the game balance?

Since when did Sorc Streak become a spammable?

Since streack are the best ability in the game - best offencive cc, deffencive cc, gapcloser and escape tool. Or dk cc have heal on it and damage... And what will have nb? 4k manacost fear, thats it? [snip]

[snip]

Does Surprise Attack's cost increase by 33% if you cast before 4 seconds cooldown is gone?

Is Surprise Attack as expensive as Sorc escape/cc tool?

Is Surprise Attack as expensive to cast as other classes' CC tools?

I am sure answer to all of the above are no. Why are you comparing a spammable vs dedicated cc tools or mobility tool with hefty penalty again?

[edited for baiting]

Runkorko

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Runkorko wrote: »

Its a good change. If you want a CC, slot a CC skill like rest of the classes.
With time NB got all toold other classes have, i see no need to have stun added to his spammable skill. Stun you can apply on demand, Its so easy to flank someone, even more on servers outside pc NA.
Glad stun is gone. They can let it be in pve, i dont care.

I disagree. it's a buff to gankblades but a blatant nerf to any nightblade who uses dark cloak because most of them can't hide in order to combo on people so getting a stun on someone is considerably more difficult for non-cloak nightblades

And the reason most nighblades don't use our class CC is because fear doesn't synergize with our clunky burst combo because incap/soul harvest > merciless resolve/relentless focus both have a cast/travel time attached so EVEN if you CC them prior there's no guarantee that lands due to the animations to even fire both abilities off

It's going to help gankblades because they don't have to care since they can medium weave out of invisibility, but hurt nightblades who can't crutch on shadowy disguise.

Actualy its a buff /to good players/
It set target offbalance and a good player can use medium attack to stun the target then is needed / before ult apply and such.
[snip]

[edited for baiting]

Runkorko

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Yea, dk can have useless nb fear, and we got Shattering Rocks what are cc, damage and heal?

As DK i can trade my poop rock for NB fear anytime
They call it poop rock for a reason. Above awerage player will never slot it on bars

Falcon_of_light

Runkorko wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Yea, dk can have useless nb fear, and we got Shattering Rocks what are cc, damage and heal?

As DK i can trade my poop rock for NB fear anytime
They call it poop rock for a reason. Above awerage player will never slot it on bars

cc, damage and healing vs only cc... Yea, u will right...

Falcon_of_light

Runkorko wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Runkorko wrote: »

Its a good change. If you want a CC, slot a CC skill like rest of the classes.
With time NB got all toold other classes have, i see no need to have stun added to his spammable skill. Stun you can apply on demand, Its so easy to flank someone, even more on servers outside pc NA.
Glad stun is gone. They can let it be in pve, i dont care.

I disagree. it's a buff to gankblades but a blatant nerf to any nightblade who uses dark cloak because most of them can't hide in order to combo on people so getting a stun on someone is considerably more difficult for non-cloak nightblades

And the reason most nighblades don't use our class CC is because fear doesn't synergize with our clunky burst combo because incap/soul harvest > merciless resolve/relentless focus both have a cast/travel time attached so EVEN if you CC them prior there's no guarantee that lands due to the animations to even fire both abilities off

It's going to help gankblades because they don't have to care since they can medium weave out of invisibility, but hurt nightblades who can't crutch on shadowy disguise.

Actualy its a buff /to good players/
It set target offbalance and a good player can use medium attack to stun the target then is needed / before ult apply and such.
[snip]

offbalance have 15s cd you clown its mean u will 3 times cced when u will only 1, [snip]

[edited for bashing]

Firstmep

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Some one on forums (can't remember if it was in this thread or other) mentioned important thing.

While Veiled Strike & morphs is one of the best NB's abilities, NB has other skills that are either never used or are very niche - simply because those are just um... bad abilities. Consuming Darkness is probably one of the worst ultimate in the game. Impale (even with the slight buff it got) won't be used at all. Teleport Strike & morphs is incredibly unreliable and as long as it won't be doing reliably what it is supposed to do (close the gap) - you may buff it with everything & no one will run it. Mark Target - same thing. Even when it was "free of any cost" - no one used it. It will now have a resource cost - so no one will use it too. Siphoning Strikes used to be NB's bread & butter sustain skill. And who uses it nowadays ? Even Path of Darkness is arguably a meh skill.

If NB has so many unused class abilities that are not used for various reasons, then why not add something to those instead of tinkering with Veiled Strike & morphs - skill that is already very good ? This is something I do not understand at all.

But the weirdest part is ZOS argument they used when they removed stun from Veiled Strike & morphs.

Because they added other CCs to NB toolkit. What other CCs ? All they did is they buffed fear to the point in which it is comparable with Fighters Guild fear (Turn Evil). That is not adding "new CCs". That is simply standardising the old one lol.

Every class has unused skills.

If anything I wish zos would do a check on those rather than reworking core combat every update.

I bet people would be happier too, if they had more options to choose from.

Food for thought @ZOS_Gilliam

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