Should Cyrodiil Have Just Two Factions?

DaisyRay

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So, as lovely as it is to simultaneously destroy both EP and DC (sometimes) when they gang up on us every day, I believe many of us would enjoy Cyro more if we didn't have to fight off two factions at the same time. Would you ever consider allowing us to have two factions rather than three? It would be a lot more fun that way to avoid two factions teaming up against the third over old grudges.

I'm also curious on what the rest of the PVP community thinks. Would you prefer just two factions, if even as just a tester?

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VaranisArano

No. With three factions, you have times when the two top scoring factions push the underdog, but also times when the two low scorers push the top dog.

With two factions, how exactly is the underdog supposed to push the top faction? Especially when you consider that faction population imbalances tend to get baked in over a series of campaigns (this happened back before we got the faction locked campaign so it's not unique to that). People flock to the faction who's winning. With only two factions, that's going to be worse.

Finally, everyone has to fight two factions at once. I play EP, and I heard so many complaints about "Team Green" that you'd laugh.

DaisyRay

Yes

If it happened every now and then, I wouldn't be bothered. It happens every day though. It's exhausting fighting so hard every day just to not get gated. We usually win more than we lose, but it's still tiring. Maybe it's just me who feels like this though.

FluffyReachWitch

No

Although it can get stressful on the occasion when Team Purple happens, I like the current structure where if fighting one alliance zerg starts to become tiring or fruitless I can just hop to a keep across the map and go fight a different alliance zerg instead.

DaisyRay

Yes

I like that too, I just wished they didn't group up on us all the time. I don't mind being in the minority with my opinion, I often am. I would just love to see what Cyro would like if we just had two factions. Then we could focus on just each other and really have some epic fights. Similar to how they changed the Battleground Q. I liked that and I wish they kept it to where you could choose deathmatch. That's a different situation though.

EdmondDontes

No

No. If anything there should be 5 factions. As it works out now two of the factions are essentially always working together anyway. At least that's how it works during the time slot my raid team runs.

redspecter23

I wouldn't be against having one campaign with 2 factions or perhaps an event that sets Cyrodiil to 2 factions for the duration, just to mix things up a bit from time to time.

Changing all campaigns to always be 2 faction all the time likely wouldn't be received well by the community that likes the current format.

Tevalicious

No

Ball group perspective: We already get enough people saying we never fight [insert faction here] we only farm [insert their faction here] which is objectively false. But 2 factions would simplify/dumb down cyro and make this statement true. Not healthy for the game imho.

DaisyRay

Yes

I wouldn't be opposed to having more factions, I just don't like the three. It makes it exhausting fighting off two factions at once all the time. Maybe instead of adjusting the factions, you all take a break from your team orange, team purple, and team green days. Try something else for MYM.

johnjetau

Yes

We'll miss you AD

lunaslide

I don't know what the solution is, but AD and DC working together on XB1 NA are pretty close to gating us in two different campaigns and it's a whole lot of not fun. Pretty sick of this crap.

Edit: Make that three campaigns, GH, BR, and Evergloam.

WinterHeart626

I’d say no, if anything, three is just right, four would be chaotic enough to drive people up the walls (which could also be amusing as heck).
Two however? No, that just isn’t good.

WinterHeart626

johnjetau wrote: »

We'll miss you AD

“For da qween”!!!

DaisyRay

Yes

I'm not sure what the solution would be then. I honestly have been liking IC more than Cyro these days. In IC, it's really every man for themselves. You don't really see factions teaming up unless they are friends. I find it more enjoyable there, I even sometimes will escape one group by luring them to another, which is always hilarious. If I did that in Cyro, the two factions wouldn't even fight each other.

psychotrip

No

I feel like 2 factions leads to a lot more pvp issues than 3. See WoW for example. I'm no expert though, so I'm open to seeing what others think.

EF321

No

Cyrodiil no, BGs and IC yes.

DaisyRay

Yes

I honestly don't see the problems you all foresee, but you have been playing longer so I'll just take the word of the majority.

Cuddlypuff

I Really Don't Care

What if we could take control of keep guards, or even mobs like Giants? Let's see if people can really PVE

Elendir2am

To me, the question seems like a glass half full / glass half empty question.
3 factions at its best, is better than 2 factions at its best.
But 3 factions at its worst, is worse than 2 factions at its worst.

3 factions Cyrodiil has higher potential to be great. It is up to players, what they do with it. Potential gets wasted often unfortunately, but is it reason to give up?

SaffronCitrusflower

No

No.

Ankael07

No

More often then not the problem is night and morningcap groups. I know not every player plays in the same time zone but they can at least stop playing in the same faction and start PVPing each other.

When night/morningcap takes every keep,scroll and the throne the other two factions will naturally focus you later. But these groups wont suffer the consquences like you do.

So next time youre being focused check if you have the scrolls, emperor, significantly high score points or population

DaisyRay

Yes

Ankael07 wrote: »

More often then not the problem is night and morningcap groups. I know not every player plays in the same time zone but they can at least stop playing in the same faction and start PVPing each other.

When night/morningcap takes every keep,scroll and the throne the other two factions will naturally focus you later. But these groups wont suffer the consquences like you do.

So next time youre being focused check if you have the scrolls, emperor, significantly high score points or population

I don't mind factions working the map to do what best fits their needs at the time. When I say double teaming, I mean them both showing up at one keep and not attacking each other. Or even if EP has DC scrolls, but instead of going after EP they gate AD with EP. That to me doesn't feel like them focusing on us for a good reason.

DaisyRay

Yes

I don't know if it was my posting, but I haven't seen too much purple time in GH in a while. At least not at the level I mentioned above.

Wolfpaw

No

I added no, but really I want a 4th faction Cyrodiil beastfolk - Minotaur &/or Goblins.

-No home base, caves throughout map to spawn from.
-No Emperor
-Increased AP going after 1st place, almost nothing for 3rd place
-New Artifact, only can be used by beastfolk faction: Spear of Bitter Mercy

Circa 4E 20, a tribe of goblins migrated out of Cyrodiil using subterranean tunnels beneath the Jerall Mountains. They emerged into the Rift and took up occupation of a cave known as Gromm's Pass. The hunter of this group, a goblin named Gogh, was seemingly blessed by Hircine as he was in possession of the Spear of Bitter Mercy. Gogh was fiercely protective of the weapon, which rejected anyone else that tried to claim it. The tribe subsequently encountered a helpless Orc from the nearby stronghold of Largashbur, who happened to be stained blue by the Steel Blue Entoloma mushrooms which grow in abundance within Gromm's Pass. Believing him to be the Blue God, as aspect of Malacath worshipped by goblins, the tribe quickly made him their shaman and began to obey him as their god. However, the tunnel to Cyrodiil collapsed soon after, cutting the tribe off from any reinforcements.[15] Gogh then spotted the Orcish shaman applying blue dye to maintain his appearance and was thus sentenced to death, but was fortuitously saved by the Last Dragonborn, who killed the Orc and his remaining goblin followers. Gogh thereafter entered into the Dragonborn's service, and continued to wield the weapon and its powers in battle.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy

Wrong era but still fun, & it would break up faction zerg size a little.

Minotaur
Minotaurs, also called man-bulls or bull-men, are a species of beastfolk native to Cyrodiil with the body of a man and the head of a bull. During the First Era, they were said to have symbolized the Alessian Empire, but in later eras became more commonly perceived as savage monsters by the people of Tamriel.

Iriidius

The 3 Alliances, especially pakt and convenant are unnatural and consist of races hating each other. They were only created because someone wanted 3 alliances and a connected territory for each alliance because entering other alliances territory was impossible. Bretons and redguards destroyed orsinium a few times and dunmer enslave argonians and battled nord a few times.
Dunmer, argonians and probably orks are isolated and and dont care for other provinces. It would be more lorefriendly if there were a human alliance vs the aldmeri dominion and the rest of the races were mercenarys always fighting for the weakest alliance.

DaisyRay

Yes

Here is a photo of some of the weird double team stuff I mentioned. In this photo, AD is attempting to get their scroll from Chalman. DC and EP is fighting back against AD. Now this would make sense if DC had their scrolls, if AD was EMP, if AD was number one or anything else.

However, as you can see EP is number one and way above both of us. Furthermore, they hold both of DC scrolls. So for about an hour (or longer I just logged in), DC has been blocking AD with EP while they let their scroll sit in the hands of EP to get more points. This happens very frequently where DC or EP will ignore each other as enemies to fully focus on AD.

If that's fun for you, then I guess play what you enjoy. To me it just doesn't make sense.

SaffronCitrusflower

No

DaisyRay wrote: »

Here is a photo of some of the weird double team stuff I mentioned. In this photo, AD is attempting to get their scroll from Chalman. DC and EP is fighting back against AD. Now this would make sense if DC had their scrolls, if AD was EMP, if AD was number one or anything else.

However, as you can see EP is number one and way above both of us. Furthermore, they hold both of DC scrolls. So for about an hour (or longer I just logged in), DC has been blocking AD with EP while they let their scroll sit in the hands of EP to get more points. This happens very frequently where DC or EP will ignore each other as enemies to fully focus on AD.

If that's fun for you, then I guess play what you enjoy. To me it just doesn't make sense.

In the picture you provided EP is pushed back to their tri keeps and AD has the most potential points. The pic provided does not show the total score, so we can't make that judgement based on the pic either.

How is this evidence of being double teamed?

DaisyRay

Yes

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

DaisyRay wrote: »

Here is a photo of some of the weird double team stuff I mentioned. In this photo, AD is attempting to get their scroll from Chalman. DC and EP is fighting back against AD. Now this would make sense if DC had their scrolls, if AD was EMP, if AD was number one or anything else.

However, as you can see EP is number one and way above both of us. Furthermore, they hold both of DC scrolls. So for about an hour (or longer I just logged in), DC has been blocking AD with EP while they let their scroll sit in the hands of EP to get more points. This happens very frequently where DC or EP will ignore each other as enemies to fully focus on AD.

If that's fun for you, then I guess play what you enjoy. To me it just doesn't make sense.

In the picture you provided EP is pushed back to their tri keeps and AD has the most potential points. The pic provided does not show the total score, so we can't make that judgement based on the pic either.

How is this evidence of being double teamed?

1. EP had one bar and was only pushed back because AD was moving through to get to their scroll. No AD went for their tri keeps, a few solos took rss but we were mostly focused on getting our scroll.
2. The ones that are present are at Chalman as you can see by the swords, they were there sniping AD and just being a nuisance. Which is fine, they had less people and four scrolls. They didn't need to do too much.
3. AD has more points than DC because instead of taking their scrolls back or taking any other keeps, all of DC 20+ is keeping AD from Chal and not killing any of the EP that sniping AD from what I saw at least.

I didn't copy the actual score, but one could easily go look. EP has about 29k+, DC has 28k+, and AD is about four or five hundred points behind DC.

Why would I lie about a game? I'm not bashing anyone, just pointing it out to give further information on why I originally made this posting.

Xandreia_

No

nope but i do want a 4th faction, kinda like a rebel alliance that cant take keeps or get points, just in there for the fights that would be amazing. i personally dont care about the map, scrolls or points, i want to pvp for the kills and to see how long we can survive being zerged down.

stressing about score, keeps and scrolls and the odd notion that there is spies just seems a little strange to me, you're supposed to have fun on a game not treat it like a job

Xandreia_

No

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

DaisyRay wrote: »

Here is a photo of some of the weird double team stuff I mentioned. In this photo, AD is attempting to get their scroll from Chalman. DC and EP is fighting back against AD. Now this would make sense if DC had their scrolls, if AD was EMP, if AD was number one or anything else.

However, as you can see EP is number one and way above both of us. Furthermore, they hold both of DC scrolls. So for about an hour (or longer I just logged in), DC has been blocking AD with EP while they let their scroll sit in the hands of EP to get more points. This happens very frequently where DC or EP will ignore each other as enemies to fully focus on AD.

If that's fun for you, then I guess play what you enjoy. To me it just doesn't make sense.

In the picture you provided EP is pushed back to their tri keeps and AD has the most potential points. The pic provided does not show the total score, so we can't make that judgement based on the pic either.

How is this evidence of being double teamed?

just a little insight on this (and no i dont believe in double teaming, its a "3 way war" people are gonna get attacked by both sides)

EP are always at their gates, which is perfectly fine by me since i can get in fights between ad and dc its very very rare ep get the full map or even half and if they do they lose it pretty quickly.

as i mentioned in my previous comment, i dont care about score, pvp for me is kills and having a laugh with friends.

but to say ad is being attacked by dc and ep constantly is kind of laughable. AD have the most population late at night (ive had experience of the sheer number of them trampling over my corpse in a tower many times)
They zerg down the map during the day keeping the other factions held in the back keeps.

please dont act like you yourself (daisy) arent at the forefront of the alliance zerg, i see you there spamming skills

DaisyRay

Yes

Xandreia_ wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

DaisyRay wrote: »

Here is a photo of some of the weird double team stuff I mentioned. In this photo, AD is attempting to get their scroll from Chalman. DC and EP is fighting back against AD. Now this would make sense if DC had their scrolls, if AD was EMP, if AD was number one or anything else.

However, as you can see EP is number one and way above both of us. Furthermore, they hold both of DC scrolls. So for about an hour (or longer I just logged in), DC has been blocking AD with EP while they let their scroll sit in the hands of EP to get more points. This happens very frequently where DC or EP will ignore each other as enemies to fully focus on AD.

If that's fun for you, then I guess play what you enjoy. To me it just doesn't make sense.

In the picture you provided EP is pushed back to their tri keeps and AD has the most potential points. The pic provided does not show the total score, so we can't make that judgement based on the pic either.

How is this evidence of being double teamed?

just a little insight on this (and no i dont believe in double teaming, its a "3 way war" people are gonna get attacked by both sides)

EP are always at their gates, which is perfectly fine by me since i can get in fights between ad and dc its very very rare ep get the full map or even half and if they do they lose it pretty quickly.

as i mentioned in my previous comment, i dont care about score, pvp for me is kills and having a laugh with friends.

but to say ad is being attacked by dc and ep constantly is kind of laughable. AD have the most population late at night (ive had experience of the sheer number of them trampling over my corpse in a tower many times)
They zerg down the map during the day keeping the other factions held in the back keeps.

please dont act like you yourself (daisy) arent at the forefront of the alliance zerg, i see you there spamming skills

I don't care about the score either, but it doesn't mean I don't want things to be equal for more enjoyment. I like IC more because it really is equal, there are no factions teaming up just to see another lose. It is every man or woman for themselves. Furthermore, if you read up further you will see that I said it wasn't happening as often as before. That photo was maybe the second time I've seen it since after MYM.

AD has had the least number of fighters for the last four camps. We still hold our own though and often defend against both factions despite having less people. If that's zerging the map then sure. That's one of the reasons I don't leave AD, even if we lose the camp everyone does an amazing job defending and working together. However, if you hang out in towers all the time, then I imagine it does look like we have more people than we do. Tower people attract zergs on every faction, even I get caught up in it sometimes.

Lol I didn't say we don't have zergs, literally every faction has zergs. I don't mind zergs, and yes I do take kills in a zerg. I just don't want ep and dc to ignore each other just to focus on ad. I know it's not all, but those who do makes it boring. So again, it's not blaming the entire faction just the ones who do that and even then, everyone is allowed to play how they want. I'm just here to have a discussion. I have no hate for anyone, at the end of the day it's just a video game that I have fun on.