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DaisyRay
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SORC RUNES [There is now a short cool down window where a target cannot be targeted again from the mines to prevent moments of immense instantaneous burst. This will also mean your mines will no longer detonate without dealing any damage to a target, vastly improving the viability of this ability in long term encounters where a single enemy may walk through the area.]

I don't mind this change, though I would hope other skills and classes get the same. Or you could reduce the damage to people who have already stepped on one. I often use this skill on zergs, it's usually my go to move. So it sucks that I will be at a disadvantage while other skills have no such cool down.
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  • Akinos
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    Mines work the same as on live except they made it so you can't spam mines repeatedly on the same target.
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  • DaisyRay
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    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.
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  • Akinos
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    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^
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  • DaisyRay
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    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    Oh yay! That's awesome then. Tyyy.
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  • Emmagoldman
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    Sadly mines are still weak sauce :(
  • Thecompton73
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    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    Strong disagree, mines are useful when you can stack them in an area where you know an enemy will transit or where they'll chase you in order to set multiple mines off at the same time. They are the best counter possible to someone using root/snare immunity and LOS to tower hump. Now someone with snowtreaders will run across all five mines and only one will go off so they will take 5K instead of 25K. Mines will be a dead skill if this change goes forward.
    Edited by Thecompton73 on 15 July 2022 21:19
  • Akinos
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    Thecompton73 wrote: »
    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    Strong disagree, mines are useful when you can stack them in an area where you know an enemy will transit or where they'll chase you in order to set multiple mines off at the same time. They are the best counter possible to someone using root/snare immunity and LOS to tower hump. Now someone with snowtreaders will run across all five mines and only one will go off so they will take 5K instead of 25K. Mines will be a dead skill if this change goes forward.
    I'm talking about the instant arm morph of mines. Most people use daedric tomb if they use mines at all because you can aim them where you want, i haven't seen anybody use the 5 mine morph in ages, which already takes 3 seconds to arm on live, literally no point in using that morph. Stuff like what i do in these clips will still be possible:
    https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/sen0RCQAZsYk8/d13371NGlkWF?invite=cr-MSxCY0QsNjc3ODg5NjQs
    https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/nirkcql2YAIFO/d1337NgzKYHN?invite=cr-MSw1M0ksNjc3ODg5NjQs
    Who even runs snow treaders now besides very few ball groups?

    And for those that want to see the mine "nerf" in action this is what it looks like on PTS: https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/sexL2nfhN_RCd/BdwUUYuUnQco?invite=cr-MSxaeFAsNjc3ODg5NjQs
    Not really a noticeable nerf unless you try to spam mines on a single target like in the above clip.
    Edited by Akinos on 16 July 2022 00:05
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  • DaisyRay
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    Sometimes I do get a little spammy when it's a zerg, but I don't need to a person to step on each one. The one already slows them down and does a crap ton of damage. Ty for the info!
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  • Thecompton73
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    Akinos wrote: »
    Thecompton73 wrote: »
    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    Strong disagree, mines are useful when you can stack them in an area where you know an enemy will transit or where they'll chase you in order to set multiple mines off at the same time. They are the best counter possible to someone using root/snare immunity and LOS to tower hump. Now someone with snowtreaders will run across all five mines and only one will go off so they will take 5K instead of 25K. Mines will be a dead skill if this change goes forward.
    I'm talking about the instant arm morph of mines. Most people use daedric tomb if they use mines at all because you can aim them where you want, i haven't seen anybody use the 5 mine morph in ages, which already takes 3 seconds to arm on live, literally no point in using that morph. Stuff like what i do in these clips will still be possible:
    https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/sen0RCQAZsYk8/d13371NGlkWF?invite=cr-MSxCY0QsNjc3ODg5NjQs
    https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/nirkcql2YAIFO/d1337NgzKYHN?invite=cr-MSw1M0ksNjc3ODg5NjQs
    Who even runs snow treaders now besides very few ball groups?

    And for those that want to see the mine "nerf" in action this is what it looks like on PTS: https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/sexL2nfhN_RCd/BdwUUYuUnQco?invite=cr-MSxaeFAsNjc3ODg5NjQs
    Not really a noticeable nerf unless you try to spam mines on a single target like in the above clip.

    I was doing it all the time before I switched over to a stamsorc build. 5 mines in a doorway or on a set of stairs so they all stack topped off with Volcanic rune kills 4/5 people who run across it with snowtreaders or another source of root/snare immunity going.
  • xylena_lazarow
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    There's a meme build that stacks mines and other ground AoEs into a corner and pulls players into it with Silver Leash + Rush of Agony, popping all the mines and doing enough burst to one-shot. Possible that's what they're targeting.
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    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    So then what's the point in the cooldown at all?
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    xylena_lazarow wrote: »
    There's a meme build that stacks mines and other ground AoEs into a corner and pulls players into it with Silver Leash + Rush of Agony, popping all the mines and doing enough burst to one-shot. Possible that's what they're targeting.

    @xylena_lazarow you have any footage of this?
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    gariondavey wrote: »
    you have any footage of this?
    No sorry, wouldn't even know how. It gets talked about in AD zone, this one EP player on the bridge.
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  • Akinos
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    Holycannoli wrote: »
    Akinos wrote: »
    DaisyRay wrote: »
    What is the cool down though? I don't have pts sadly, so I have to depend on others.

    Not really a cooldown youre gonna notice, it's less then a second. Mines are still good for next update ^__^

    So then what's the point in the cooldown at all?

    I think ZOS just wanted to prevent situations like the one @xylena_lazarow is talking about, people being pulled into the 5 mine morph? Not sure...
    Edited by Akinos on 22 July 2022 03:33
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  • StarOfElyon
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    Emmagoldman wrote: »
    Sadly mines are still weak sauce :(

    They're useful as a defensive skill to block someone's path. That's what I use when I'm being chased down by a two or three players.
  • DaisyRay
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    The cooldown sucks, but I get it. Runes do a lot of damage that some people underestimate. I'm not even a great pvper and I still do a lot of damage with mine. If it doesn't work the same I'll just go with another build. Easy peasy.
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  • Akinos
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    StarOfElyon wrote: »
    Emmagoldman wrote: »
    Sadly mines are still weak sauce :(

    They're useful as a defensive skill to block someone's path. That's what I use when I'm being chased down by a two or three players.

    You can also prevent somebody from getting away with the daedric tomb morph.
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