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Tales of Tribute - How to Improve Your Game - Top 5 Mistakes for New Players to Avoid
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Hey all, I'm Personofsecrets and I've loved card games since getting my first pack of Pokemon way back in 1999. I don't have a ton of fancy titles, but did you know that Bethesda previously developed a card game under the Elder Scrolls IP called the Elder Scrolls Legends? Well, I made top 8 of that games 2nd world championships! So I'm excited to analyze and play Tales of Tribute and hope that others can benefit from what I have to write. Now on to the top 5 mistakes for new players to avoid.
5.) Not Using Grandmaster Delmene Hlaalu
Tales of Tribute is a deck building game and some rounds of the game can be thought to have different phases where different cards may gain or lose usefulness; there can be an "early game," "mid game," and "late game." At a certain point of the mid or late game, a player may find that a card which has been purchased from the tavern is losing usefulness. They may also find that they need to start gaining more Prestige points in order to stay in winning distance. Calling on the Patron Grandmaster's Delmene Hlaalu is a solution to both issues. Not only will this Patron remove certain cards from a players deck, but they will also help them gain prestige points by doing so.
4.) Not Eliminating Agents
Agents are special because they have potential to add layers of certainty to turns. The draw may be fairly random, but Agents stay in play from turn to turn and when a player doesn't eliminate the Agent, they concede the consistent value that Agents give to the opponent. There are cards from the tavern that will eliminate agents. There is a patron ability from Psijic Loremaster Celarus to do the same. The big thing that a player must realize is that if they have accumulated power, then they can use that power up to help reduce the health of an opposing Agent by clicking on that agent. Converting that power to prestige instead of using it to destroy an agent can often be a play that allows the opponent to take the game and run away with it.
3.) Using the Duke of Crows!
One common play is for players to use the Duke of Crows right away at an early stage of the game which blocks them from activating that patron ability at a later stage of the game if they are still the patron favored players. Does one want just a few prestige or would they rather wait until the late game when gold is more plentiful and they can cash in for 10+ prestige? The answer is obvious.
2.) Not Removing +1 Power actions
Fortify is a basic card that players automatically get in their starting deck when Saint Pelin is a patron. Fortify gives the player who uses it one single power for the turn. Sometimes this single power can be the strategically correct choice. Sometimes one may want Fortify to combo with other Saint Pelin cards. Many games involve the start of the game being a gold development race so that players can start buying stronger cards from the tavern sooner. A card like Fortify, which only gives a single power and no gold, can cause gold development to be stymied to such an extent that a player even ends up losing the game due to the development that they lost after drawing Fortify at an inopportune time. So don't be afraid to use the treasury power to trade Fortify in for a 2 gold value Writ of Coin.
1.) Buying from the Tavern
There are a few cards that can show up in the tavern which are very powerful. By buying a tavern card, a new card becomes available in the tavern and there are circumstances where this tavern mechanic will lead to the opponent having the first opportunity to purchase the card that just showed up. Again, this could end up being a very powerful card and it could give the opponent an overwhelming advantage. So make sure that when you buy a tavern card that it is worth the risk or make sure that you have a backup plan in case a strong card is revealed.
Edited by Personofsecrets on 22 June 2022 14:51 5.) Not Using Grandmaster Delmene Hlaalu
Tales of Tribute is a deck building game and some rounds of the game can be thought to have different phases where different cards may gain or lose usefulness; there can be an "early game," "mid game," and "late game." At a certain point of the mid or late game, a player may find that a card which has been purchased from the tavern is losing usefulness. They may also find that they need to start gaining more Prestige points in order to stay in winning distance. Calling on the Patron Grandmaster's Delmene Hlaalu is a solution to both issues. Not only will this Patron remove certain cards from a players deck, but they will also help them gain prestige points by doing so.
4.) Not Eliminating Agents
Agents are special because they have potential to add layers of certainty to turns. The draw may be fairly random, but Agents stay in play from turn to turn and when a player doesn't eliminate the Agent, they concede the consistent value that Agents give to the opponent. There are cards from the tavern that will eliminate agents. There is a patron ability from Psijic Loremaster Celarus to do the same. The big thing that a player must realize is that if they have accumulated power, then they can use that power up to help reduce the health of an opposing Agent by clicking on that agent. Converting that power to prestige instead of using it to destroy an agent can often be a play that allows the opponent to take the game and run away with it.
3.) Using the Duke of Crows!
One common play is for players to use the Duke of Crows right away at an early stage of the game which blocks them from activating that patron ability at a later stage of the game if they are still the patron favored players. Does one want just a few prestige or would they rather wait until the late game when gold is more plentiful and they can cash in for 10+ prestige? The answer is obvious.
2.) Not Removing +1 Power actions
Fortify is a basic card that players automatically get in their starting deck when Saint Pelin is a patron. Fortify gives the player who uses it one single power for the turn. Sometimes this single power can be the strategically correct choice. Sometimes one may want Fortify to combo with other Saint Pelin cards. Many games involve the start of the game being a gold development race so that players can start buying stronger cards from the tavern sooner. A card like Fortify, which only gives a single power and no gold, can cause gold development to be stymied to such an extent that a player even ends up losing the game due to the development that they lost after drawing Fortify at an inopportune time. So don't be afraid to use the treasury power to trade Fortify in for a 2 gold value Writ of Coin.
1.) Buying from the Tavern
There are a few cards that can show up in the tavern which are very powerful. By buying a tavern card, a new card becomes available in the tavern and there are circumstances where this tavern mechanic will lead to the opponent having the first opportunity to purchase the card that just showed up. Again, this could end up being a very powerful card and it could give the opponent an overwhelming advantage. So make sure that when you buy a tavern card that it is worth the risk or make sure that you have a backup plan in case a strong card is revealed.
Don't tank
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Omg! It's personofsecrets! So nice to see you.
Good tips, I'll try to apply them. ToT is quite different from Legends, I still have a lot to learn.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭Number 2: This rules irks me to no end at high level play. The ONLY reason I seem to win more games than I lose is because players will STILL be nerfing themselves by keeping fortify in their decks. I’m playing against the top 10% of players and they are almost always still making this mistake. Then they wonder how I beat them to that coveted “Rally” purchase.
Well its because they drew both their writs, but also drew their rally, which meant that they were limited to 6 gold. Prime objective for the early game should always be to increase your opportunity to get 6-7 gold.1 -
kwinter✭✭✭3) every time I see a player use duke of crows right away I will leave it favoring them until towards the end it’s help me win matches3 -
ZOS_KevinCommunity ManagerAppreciate the tips for fellow players, @Personofsecrets!Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter1 -
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✭✭✭VoidCommander wrote: »Number 2: This rules irks me to no end at high level play. The ONLY reason I seem to win more games than I lose is because players will STILL be nerfing themselves by keeping fortify in their decks. I’m playing against the top 10% of players and they are almost always still making this mistake. Then they wonder how I beat them to that coveted “Rally” purchase.
Well its because they drew both their writs, but also drew their rally, which meant that they were limited to 6 gold. Prime objective for the early game should always be to increase your opportunity to get 6-7 gold.
I've definitely lost some games to early double portcullis. Likewise, I've won some games by getting early Pelin cards. So maybe there are some games where fortify gives that extra push to an aggressive strategy. The overwhelming correct move still does seem to be to get rid of Fortify. I also tend to get rid of War Song even though Midnight Raid relies on having it's combo ability activated in order to be extra good. Red Eagle has enough Contracts that I think this is okay to do.Don't tank
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel0 -
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✭✭Some great observations! Some things I learned regarding #2 (though YMMV):
I used to swap those out, but was losing a lot. I decided to try keeping them instead - keeping them gave me greater chance of triggering combos later on.
I also found that using Way of the Sword and Fortify together early on to activate the Ansei patron can present an early advantage. It can mean having the Ansei patron in your favor for several turns (since your opponent would also have to have both in the same hand to take the Ansei patron back), giving you one more gold to buy combo cards in the early rounds. The great thing about Way of the Sword is if you have it in your hand and don't have Fortify to go with it, you can use it for gold instead.
Edit: I want to mention that if we aren't playing both Ansei and Pelin, Fortify gets yanked right out. Same with Goods Shipment and Swipe. Peck gets used to trigger multi-layer combos a lot, so I tend to keep that one.Edited by cyclonus11 on 22 June 2022 15:380 -
Marcusorion1✭✭✭✭Thanks for the tips Useful info for those of us still learning on the first decks.
Being flexible on strategies seems to me to be an important factor - waiting for the "right" card(s) and not adjusting to what the opponent is collecting/playing can backfire quickly.
Trying out different strategies vs NPC's ( novice ) can really help to understand how certain cards, combo's and Patron favours can benefit and/or hurt you. Practice, practice, practice.
For those of us that prefer more of a step by step instruction with vocal descriptions of the strategies in use would appreciate some video tutorials.1 -
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✭✭✭Omg! It's personofsecrets! So nice to see you.
Good tips, I'll try to apply them. ToT is quite different from Legends, I still have a lot to learn.
Doesn't it seem like it's been forever since Legends already? Too bad we never got any more of those ESO crossover promotions.Don't tank
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »
It does and it doesn't. Time moves strangely these days.
There was a brief hope that after the MS acquisition, they might revitalize Legends - for the 3rd or 4th time? - but that obviously didn't happen. Such a shame, I loved that game. At least before they added 3-attribute decks and changed Alduin's voice, lol.
Were there any crossover promotions besides the Doom Wolf mount? There kind of was with the card backs that resembled the crown crate seasons, but I don't recall much else.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
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✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »
It does and it doesn't. Time moves strangely these days.
There was a brief hope that after the MS acquisition, they might revitalize Legends - for the 3rd or 4th time? - but that obviously didn't happen. Such a shame, I loved that game. At least before they added 3-attribute decks and changed Alduin's voice, lol.
Were there any crossover promotions besides the Doom Wolf mount? There kind of was with the card backs that resembled the crown crate seasons, but I don't recall much else.
Maybe we can count old Tazkad! Strange how such a powerful TESL card responsible for many game wins is the first boss of the easiest dungeon.Don't tank
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel0
