Buff MagSorc

katorga

Quit thinking "mag sorc" or "stam sorc". That is outdated and you will fail.

Use the best skills and adjust your resource pool to mag or stam accordingly. How much difference is there between a sorc with 30K mag and 6K weapon damage and 30K stam and 6K spell damage? None. Zero.

Crystal weapons means you have two full GCD's of damage that you can precast without a target. That is huge. Build around it.

Unless they hybridize damage shields to scale with mag/stam, whichever is highest, do not use damage shields. It will kill your build and you end up with the OP's situation. Even if they do, damage shields are too slow, waste GCDs, and are not large enough compared to hots or burst heals.

My only gripe with sorc at the moment is that single target is hugely inefficient.

NordSwordnBoard

I am currently block casting streak in situations I would not because it fails to work and leaves me exposed, like in the end of the video. Those losses feel really bad. Dark Deals used to heal better than now compared to other class heals, but this came on the heels of significant Ball of Light changes. Sorcs were escaping and healing up too easily.
I can't say enough about crushing shock for spammable though. If that was a class skill, it would get nerfed. I definitely have to work harder to X or even kill good players, but maybe that can be remedied with one of the multiple ideas on nerfing heals in Cyrodiil.
The biggest threat to Sorcs becoming Negate CC monkeys in PvP is to avoid overbuffing them so they subsequently get nerfed below their current position. The net result being Sorc is worse. I'd rather wait it out to see the changes to healing or battle spirit and see how Sorc looks then.

Luede

katorga wrote: »

Quit thinking "mag sorc" or "stam sorc". That is outdated and you will fail.

Use the best skills and adjust your resource pool to mag or stam accordingly. How much difference is there between a sorc with 30K mag and 6K weapon damage and 30K stam and 6K spell damage? None. Zero.

Crystal weapons means you have two full GCD's of damage that you can precast without a target. That is huge. Build around it.

Unless they hybridize damage shields to scale with mag/stam, whichever is highest, do not use damage shields. It will kill your build and you end up with the OP's situation. Even if they do, damage shields are too slow, waste GCDs, and are not large enough compared to hots or burst heals.

My only gripe with sorc at the moment is that single target is hugely inefficient.

there is no hybrid build as a sorc, what you mean is a stam sorc which pulls 2-3 magic abilities to the bar, but there is no way a mag sorc pulls 2-3 stam abilities to the bar. Consequently, with the effective abilities you just play a stam sorc, which plays at most with a healing staff and curse.

acastanza_ESO

katorga wrote: »

Quit thinking "mag sorc" or "stam sorc". That is outdated and you will fail.

Use the best skills and adjust your resource pool to mag or stam accordingly. How much difference is there between a sorc with 30K mag and 6K weapon damage and 30K stam and 6K spell damage? None. Zero.

Crystal weapons means you have two full GCD's of damage that you can precast without a target. That is huge. Build around it.

Unless they hybridize damage shields to scale with mag/stam, whichever is highest, do not use damage shields. It will kill your build and you end up with the OP's situation. Even if they do, damage shields are too slow, waste GCDs, and are not large enough compared to hots or burst heals.

My only gripe with sorc at the moment is that single target is hugely inefficient.

Setting aside that hybridization has been one of the worst things to happen to this game when it comes to class identity. When I say MagSorc, I mean a Sorc that Stacks Magicka and uses Magicka based primary abilities. Quit getting hung up on the terminology. Get hung up on terminology like that and you will fail. Sorc's Magicka Abilities SUCK right now. It's supposed to play as a single target glass cannon that uses strong shields as an "oh crap" button to survive when it needs to. Right now neither of those things are effective.

You call out shields specifically, Shields being bad is a problem because shields are (supposed to be) a signature feature of the class. You're acknowledging that a signature feature of the class that is supposed to be basically all of it's survivability is crap that doesn't work. And since those shields are a Magicka Ability fixing them falls squarely under my "buff MagSorc" complaint. Shields should ABSOLUTELY NOT be hybirdized, that would make StamSorc even more overpowered, they should be made to work properly for the squishy, single target, MagSorc.

We do completely agree that Sorc's Magicka single target abiltiies are hugely inefficient. Even a basic level of competence in the mechanics of PVP and you can completely shrug off even a half decent MagSorc's burst right now.

divnyi

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PhoenixGrey wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

@Tsunahmie idk what's your problem. OP mentioned he is having troubles fighting strong opponents. I run this in higher-MMR BGs, and it doesn't feel bad. Maybe that's "zerg surfing" by your definition, but then if your definition is 1vX newbies, OP mentioned he has no troubles with that.

You are going to struggle 1vx'ing even average players with mag sorc. That's the whole problem. If your definition of 1vx is where x are day 1 noobs you have no idea what 1vx is and you are probably in the x category yourself

I am used to fight skilled players of equal size. Otherwise I would slot differently.

Everyone is so obsessed with 1vX as if this is the hardest form of PvP. It isn't. There is nothing hard in going tough+fast and learn some burst combo to obliterate newbs who split from the rest of their group too much.

PhoenixGrey

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Hybrid Sorc is stronger than Mag Sorc this patch.

Curse + Shock + Overload + Crystal Weapon = 25k damage instantly

Unless your target dodges, blocks, and line of sights everything. Then you can cry.

It is damage-wise but defensively still not great.

Shield specs are super weak. Heals aren't that great either

katorga

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Quit thinking "mag sorc" or "stam sorc". That is outdated and you will fail.

Use the best skills and adjust your resource pool to mag or stam accordingly. How much difference is there between a sorc with 30K mag and 6K weapon damage and 30K stam and 6K spell damage? None. Zero.

Crystal weapons means you have two full GCD's of damage that you can precast without a target. That is huge. Build around it.

Unless they hybridize damage shields to scale with mag/stam, whichever is highest, do not use damage shields. It will kill your build and you end up with the OP's situation. Even if they do, damage shields are too slow, waste GCDs, and are not large enough compared to hots or burst heals.

My only gripe with sorc at the moment is that single target is hugely inefficient.

Quit getting hung up on the terminology. Get hung up on terminology like that and you will fail. Sorc's Magicka Abilities SUCK right now.

Realistically, the tool tips on curse, frags, etc, are about the same as my Blastbones tooltips. The damage is there. How you apply it with a sorc is the problem. Malcolm nails it there. It takes way too many GCD to apply the traditional sorc "combo". Crystal Weapons allows for 2 GCD of damage in a single target-less precast and dramatically reduces the "combo" footprint. So it makes total sense to build around it. That is why bow sorc is doing so well right now.

PhoenixGrey

divnyi wrote: »

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PhoenixGrey wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

@Tsunahmie idk what's your problem. OP mentioned he is having troubles fighting strong opponents. I run this in higher-MMR BGs, and it doesn't feel bad. Maybe that's "zerg surfing" by your definition, but then if your definition is 1vX newbies, OP mentioned he has no troubles with that.

You are going to struggle 1vx'ing even average players with mag sorc. That's the whole problem. If your definition of 1vx is where x are day 1 noobs you have no idea what 1vx is and you are probably in the x category yourself

I am used to fight skilled players of equal size. Otherwise I would slot differently.

Everyone is so obsessed with 1vX as if this is the hardest form of PvP. It isn't. There is nothing hard in going tough+fast and learn some burst combo to obliterate newbs who split from the rest of their group too much.

I am not sure what else is remotely challenging in this game. It seems like you have the wrong idea on what 1vx exactly is.

You can certainly kill a decent group of players on coms with a DK or stamblade today which a mag sorc cannot do. That's the whole point of OP's video

If someone tells me 1vx is just killing bunch of day1 newbies, they usually fall in the x category as they have pretty low standards tbh

Minalan

If Malcolm can’t play the class and fight decent players, magsorc is seriously broken.

This is just poor design and horrible decision making from a nightblade and DK focused design team. They need to do a better job of improving classes other than their favorite one or two.

Watch the video. Other classes have better healing, better defenses, and more economical burst damage that doesn’t take 2-3 times as many GCD to deliver:

Minalan

Tsunahmie wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

"Shield specs are usually squishy"

What players are you going to kill with 1k penetration and -3.2k spelldmge fully buffed?
I can play like that as well and kill nabs but you're never ever ever going to kill good players with those stats. Survive? Yes but your going to kill them slower than my nan with arthritis hitting me with a pillow

I’m running a similar setup with spinner and sharpened weapon, it’s not much better for fighting competent opponents.

Priyasekarssk

Quit playing ESO or level up another class. They never going make mage sorc viable to play. All mage sorc skills are buggy either disabled right before cross hair or will not fire at all. Don’t forget mage sorc hit like wet noodles which can kill only potatoes.

WrathOfInnos

katorga wrote: »

Quit thinking "mag sorc" or "stam sorc". That is outdated and you will fail.

Use the best skills and adjust your resource pool to mag or stam accordingly. How much difference is there between a sorc with 30K mag and 6K weapon damage and 30K stam and 6K spell damage? None. Zero.

Crystal weapons means you have two full GCD's of damage that you can precast without a target. That is huge. Build around it.

Unless they hybridize damage shields to scale with mag/stam, whichever is highest, do not use damage shields. It will kill your build and you end up with the OP's situation. Even if they do, damage shields are too slow, waste GCDs, and are not large enough compared to hots or burst heals.

My only gripe with sorc at the moment is that single target is hugely inefficient.

I agree that everything is hybrid now, but I think there is still a valid criticism of stam vs mag skills balance.

- Bound Armaments is much better than Bound Aegis
- Crystal Weapon is much better than Crystal Frags
- Hurricane is much better than Boundless
- Endless Fury/Mage Wrath remains the worse execute in the game (only used for sniping killing blows in PvP)
- Liquid Lightning/Flood remains the worst AoE in the game (better to use Orb or even Caltrops)
- Barbed Trap is a crucial skill, and other options like Accelerate do not compete
- Stamina Weapons are better (Daggers front bar and Greatsword back)
- Stampede is much better than Wall
- Carve is much better than Flame Reach
- Whirling Blades is much better than Pulsar
- Deadly Cloak is great, and doesn't really have a Magicka alternative

Put that all together and you find that almost all of your skills are stamina based. You end up similar to an old "stam sorc", just with a couple pets and one class magicka skill (Curse). Even as a stam sorc I'd prefer to have a few more magicka skills worth slotting, just to split resource costs and help sustain. It's too one-sided currently.

Dakkx

One thing that would help is to remove the 1 second travel time on Crystal Fragments to help with burst after stunning an enemy. There’s no reason they can’t do this dk whip hits as hard as frags there’s no delay in that and you can’t dodge it even if you instantaneously dodge after being stunned. Also in a recent patch they removed the travel time on assassins will so once again no reason they can’t do that. Also any stun that would prevent dodges without this travel time has been removed from the game. Clench and streak are 15m. Rune cage is still 28 but deals no dmg of the target breaks free and at that range you don’t even need a minimum travel time.

Priyasekarssk

Magic sorc is complete garbage. Not trash. Zos combat team is completely biased . ESO Forum is usually toxic to say any truth. What I would say is level alts. Don’t spend single penny for this game. Mage sorc is good as deleted from game post summerset. It’s waste of time to even discuss.

Minalan

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Magic sorc is complete garbage. Not trash. Zos combat team is completely biased . ESO Forum is usually toxic to say any truth. What I would say is level alts. Don’t spend single penny for this game. Mage sorc is good as deleted from game post summerset. It’s waste of time to even discuss.

Don’t pay. Don’t play. Let certain TheRogue designers keep making the game a trash-tier Nightblade Simulator. This one isn’t worth the hard drive space anymore, get your 300MB back.