Performance Last Night was Unacceptable

xFocused

Video from Last Night for Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgGlTAGeo2w&ab_channel=xFocused

The clip above is only 1:07 minute long but out of no where our entire group gets hit with some kind of slow glitch and as you can see, it wasn't even our group. Surrounding EP players all got hit with the same glitch while defending the keep. Was it a lag switch? No, probably not, but either way, this kind of server performance is completely unacceptable. Even before this happened, my group couldn't bar swap, couldn't break free even with full stamina, abilities and sets not working as intended. It's so frustrating to try and play PvP in it's current state because when things actually work, ESO has some of the best PvP in my opinion

Holycannoli

Lol this is a PvP speed that's more to my pace! I could actually react and respond properly lol.

But seriously though, I haven't seen this before? What did they do in that last maintenance that tanked the performance again?

xFocused

Holycannoli wrote: »

Lol this is a PvP speed that's more to my pace! I could actually react and respond properly lol.

But seriously though, I haven't seen this before? What did they do in that last maintenance that tanked the performance again?

Lol literally no idea, it was awful last night though. It just hit 15+ players at one keep with this slow glitch, insane

NordSwordnBoard

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

xFocused

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

EdmondDontes

It was/is anticipated that Cyro performance will and does decline with every new chapter release. It is how it's always been. Instead of leasing more server resources for the new zones ZOS reallocates what they've already got, which means every zone gets slightly less resources in the server farm, and the result is noticeably reduced performance in Cyrodiil and end game trials.

This is how it's always been.

MISTFORMBZZZ

this is no lag switch, we call it quick sand on ps eu. Its just the servers cant handle the ammount of players and yes, not always are both factions effected.

xFocused

EdmondDontes wrote: »

It was/is anticipated that Cyro performance will and does decline with every new chapter release. It is how it's always been. Instead of leasing more server resources for the new zones ZOS reallocates what they've already got, which means every zone gets slightly less resources in the server farm, and the result is noticeably reduced performance in Cyrodiil and end game trials.

This is how it's always been.

I can see this being accurate. Yesterday was awful, even when I was solo before our guild grouped up. Could not break free at all, stuck in combat for long periods of time, no bar swapping, my sets not proccing, skills not even registering, just one huge mess. I keep hoping it'll get better but I'm starting to think it never will

Crispen_Longbow

This is the slow bug, has been around for years now. To many resources at the same time. Usually happens in large zerg fights. With the new hardware updates PC NA has been running the best it's been in years.

I don't believe consoles are running on the new hardware though so you guys are stuck with old performance. I don't think PC EU has the new servers either.

mook-eb16_ESO

its the same today

Karivaa

Which server?

xFocused

Karivaa wrote: »

Which server?

GH NA PS4/5

ShadowProc

xFocused wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

Imagine being in a ball group complaining about lag. The irony.

Odysseus87

ShadowProc wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

Imagine being in a ball group complaining about lag. The irony.

Oh the audacity of running EIGHT players in a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online RPG. Truly disgusting tactics in a game initially marketed to have massive pvp battles…

Arrow312

I think this is a Server / Client problem when to many players at one point. we have it on XOne EU,too. Sometimes you run into a invinsible Wall or it feels like you have a perma Speed debuff...

Aixy

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

Players that do nothing but hold block are the cause of this lag...

xFocused

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

While we may call ourselves a "ball group" we definitely don't run like a ball group, mainly because the lag is already there before we even try to defend or take a keep. When you're lagging in the middle of a field not even in combat, that's a game problem, not a "ball group" problem and let's not kid ourselves...lag in PvP has been a thing long before ball groups have been a thing

xFocused

Odysseus87 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

Imagine being in a ball group complaining about lag. The irony.

Oh the audacity of running EIGHT players in a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online RPG. Truly disgusting tactics in a game initially marketed to have massive pvp battles…

Lol right. What about when you're running solo? What about when it's just 6 of us running in a group? You're telling me that 6 players are causing that much lag? Come on, lmao.

Aixy

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

Players that do nothing but hold block are the cause of this lag...

Actually If u are "holding block" u are doing something.-

And btw.... if u are not dying is because there is "something more" behind the build not just holding block

Aixy

xFocused wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

While we may call ourselves a "ball group" we definitely don't run like a ball group, mainly because the lag is already there before we even try to defend or take a keep. When you're lagging in the middle of a field not even in combat, that's a game problem, not a "ball group" problem and let's not kid ourselves...lag in PvP has been a thing long before ball groups have been a thing

If a ball group is running on the opposite side of the map you will lag no matter what, is like "instantiated lag - all the map lag".- trust me

Believe me: ball groups are the cause of terrible lag.-

Btw they upgrade server on PC NA Gray Host, before the upgrade i was lagging SUPER badly, na or asian prime time was unplayable, now after the upgrade i can play without lag no matter if ball groups running

xFocused

Aixy wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

While we may call ourselves a "ball group" we definitely don't run like a ball group, mainly because the lag is already there before we even try to defend or take a keep. When you're lagging in the middle of a field not even in combat, that's a game problem, not a "ball group" problem and let's not kid ourselves...lag in PvP has been a thing long before ball groups have been a thing

If a ball group is running on the opposite side of the map you will lag no matter what, is like "instantiated lag - all the map lag".- trust me

Believe me: ball groups are the cause of terrible lag.-

Btw they upgrade server on PC NA Gray Host, before the upgrade i was lagging SUPER badly, na or asian prime time was unplayable, now after the upgrade i can play without lag no matter if ball groups running

Yeah sorry, still gonna disagree here. I've been lagging in Cyrodiil long before ball groups were a thing, lol. I shouldn't be lagging solo in the middle of a field, stuck in combat hitting loading screens. There's no way a 6 man group is causing that to happen

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Aixy wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

While we may call ourselves a "ball group" we definitely don't run like a ball group, mainly because the lag is already there before we even try to defend or take a keep. When you're lagging in the middle of a field not even in combat, that's a game problem, not a "ball group" problem and let's not kid ourselves...lag in PvP has been a thing long before ball groups have been a thing

If a ball group is running on the opposite side of the map you will lag no matter what, is like "instantiated lag - all the map lag".- trust me

Believe me: ball groups are the cause of terrible lag.-

Btw they upgrade server on PC NA Gray Host, before the upgrade i was lagging SUPER badly, na or asian prime time was unplayable, now after the upgrade i can play without lag no matter if ball groups running

Believe me: Players that dye their gear and use costumes are the cause of terrible lag.

(the example I'm making is that realistically most players have no idea what actually causes lag. As you say in your post, since the server upgrade, which ball group players asked for since 2015, the lag has reduced significantly. Showing that the servers were the main problem not the players who play on them.)

Aixy

Wait a moment, i know why u defending ball groups, on your notes you have:

"NA ~ Izanerys: Dracarys (Videos | Dracast Podcast)"

xFocused

Aixy wrote: »

Wait a moment, i know why u defending ball groups, on your notes you have:

"NA ~ Izanerys: Dracarys (Videos | Dracast Podcast)"

But his point still stands. You can't really say ball groups cause lag when there's been lag before ball groups were even a thing or when you run solo. It's a server thing, plain & simple

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

xFocused wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Wait a moment, i know why u defending ball groups, on your notes you have:

"NA ~ Izanerys: Dracarys (Videos | Dracast Podcast)"

But his point still stands. You can't really say ball groups cause lag when there's been lag before ball groups were even a thing or when you run solo. It's a server thing, plain & simple

Logical points don't count when you can make wild assumptions without any knowledge of the problem So I think It's best to just also start making wild assumptions.

I'm going to go with anyone with sword and board equipped causes 6x the lag that a normal player causes.

neferpitou73

Aixy wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

Ball groups are the cause of this lag....

While we may call ourselves a "ball group" we definitely don't run like a ball group, mainly because the lag is already there before we even try to defend or take a keep. When you're lagging in the middle of a field not even in combat, that's a game problem, not a "ball group" problem and let's not kid ourselves...lag in PvP has been a thing long before ball groups have been a thing

If a ball group is running on the opposite side of the map you will lag no matter what, is like "instantiated lag - all the map lag".- trust me

Believe me: ball groups are the cause of terrible lag.-

Btw they upgrade server on PC NA Gray Host, before the upgrade i was lagging SUPER badly, na or asian prime time was unplayable, now after the upgrade i can play without lag no matter if ball groups running

Read your post again: Ball groups cause lag, but when they fixed the server ball groups didn't cause lag. Wouldn't that indicate it's a server issue not a ball group issue?

ShadowProc

Odysseus87 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

Imagine being in a ball group complaining about lag. The irony.

Oh the audacity of running EIGHT players in a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online RPG. Truly disgusting tactics in a game initially marketed to have massive pvp battles…

Correct. The audacity. Layering heals is an absurd amount of calculations. Not to mention intentionally farming pugs hours in end.

neferpitou73

ShadowProc wrote: »

Odysseus87 wrote: »

ShadowProc wrote: »

xFocused wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I was out there solo, and it wasn't quite east coast prime time. That lag lol, comments in zone about it, a huge slowdown that apparently effected everyone. The true battle was versus the server.

Dude it was so bad. Our entire zone and 12 man was having issues, lol. At one point I couldn't even bar swap no matter what I tried, just got stuck on one bar

Imagine being in a ball group complaining about lag. The irony.

Oh the audacity of running EIGHT players in a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online RPG. Truly disgusting tactics in a game initially marketed to have massive pvp battles…

Correct. The audacity. Layering heals is an absurd amount of calculations. Not to mention intentionally farming pugs hours in end.

The horror, imagine wanting to stay alive and kill people in PVP

Aixy

@neferpitou73 @Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

What is the moment of the day that we have the worst lag ever?? Answer: At prime time NA or Asian.-

And what can you find at that moment of the day-night ?,... ALOT of ball groups running all together, (no matter the faction), spaming with super coordination healing, aoe dps, cc etc ... Server cant handle it.-

If u are "inside" that group, u dont lag: at least not like pugs - random players - solo players.-

But people outside premade group, lag so badly.-

xFocused

Aixy wrote: »

@neferpitou73 @Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

What is the moment of the day that we have the worst lag ever?? Answer: At prime time NA or Asian.-

And what can you find at that moment of the day-night ?,... ALOT of ball groups running all together, (no matter the faction), spaming with super coordination healing, aoe dps, cc etc ... Server cant handle it.-

If u are "inside" that group, u dont lag: at least not like pugs - random players - solo players.-

But people outside premade group, lag so badly.-

This isn't exactly true. I've experienced lag at early mornings, afternoons and at night, there's not really a set time where lag is the worst. I'm not understanding why you're so determined to blame all of this on ball groups but it's server performance. That's what it comes down to. The servers are not performing how they should and it's been this way for years. When you're being told that they are still running on 2012 servers, that's not the ball groups fault, lmao