Magdk to powerful?!

Extrawelt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hNiAZnSw8&t=11s

After playing one evening on my magdk, i realized how overpowered this class is compare to others 🙄

acastanza_ESO

It's honestly some sort of sick joke that ZOS considers this okay.

There legitimately isn't any reason to play any other class in PVP right now, other than that people like and are invested in those classes.

Alchimiste1

Best sustain , best damage , best defense (next patch after bubble changes).

Totally balanced

Rhaegar75

Extrawelt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hNiAZnSw8&t=11s

After playing one evening on my magdk, i realized how overpowered this class is compare to others 🙄

Mate my comment is both a praise and a criticism.....any class is likely to be overpowered in your hands!!

Minalan

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Best sustain , best damage , best defense (next patch after bubble changes).

Totally balanced

That ZOS has no intention of fixing this is ridiculous, it speaks volumes [snip]

[edited for bashing]

bachpain

Yes. Must nerf living dark! LOL (Not that magplars weren't OP as well) but seriously.... There is more than one elephant in the room with the current state of the game.

olsborg

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Best sustain , best damage , best defense (next patch after bubble changes).

Totally balanced

Pretty much this, I wont bother playing much for another full patch-cycle with the same meta as now, magdk is extremely OP. Its not even fun theorycrafting anything other then magdk builds because ...why?

FirmamentOfStars

bachpain wrote: »

Yes. Must nerf living dark! LOL (Not that magplars weren't OP as well) but seriously.... There is more than one elephant in the room with the current state of the game.

Now imagine people complaining about magplar next patch, because they still will be unkillable and OP because of living dark (because they will have a much larger uptime on that skill)...
What has become of ESO, when magdk does not even get adjusted.

MEBengalsFan2001

Yet no one is talking about all the buffs coming to the Sorc next patch.

Templar were S class for PVP it is now going to be A class because Living Dark did need to be adjusted. I don't use Living Dark as it is and I don't have too much issues killing players, though I'm sure if I did I would be even more tanky.

As for DK, there is a small adjustment being made to them but overall I think they will be just as strong.

IMO the top two classes in PVP next mod will be Sorc and DK with Templar taking a 3rd spot.

acastanza_ESO

StamSorc is getting a bit of a much needed buff, but MagSorc is still going to be B-tier at best, it just can't afford to use Crystal weapon like StamSorc can, and if anything, it's getting a very much not needed nerf from the lowering of Crystal frags proc chance which it desperately relies on (and gets nothing out of the proc from stamina skills since those aren't being front-barred). MagSorc needs help as badly as MagDK needs a nerf.

RaikaNA

Extrawelt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hNiAZnSw8&t=11s

After playing one evening on my magdk, i realized how overpowered this class is compare to others 🙄

I don't think the class is op... just the sets that ZOS keeps releasing. If anyone thinks MagDK is OP.. I challenge them to take the naked challenge.. Or use NON META sets that aren't overperforming.

Mag DK use to be total garbage.. couldn't even do a single rotation without having sustain issues..

Minalan

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Yet no one is talking about all the buffs coming to the Sorc next patch.

Templar were S class for PVP it is now going to be A class because Living Dark did need to be adjusted. I don't use Living Dark as it is and I don't have too much issues killing players, though I'm sure if I did I would be even more tanky.

As for DK, there is a small adjustment being made to them but overall I think they will be just as strong.

IMO the top two classes in PVP next mod will be Sorc and DK with Templar taking a 3rd spot.

Stam sorcs are getting the mine, Mag sorcs are getting the shaft.

Nestor

I remember when DKs were good to play, then when no one wanted to play one. Now, they have a place in the game.

Pretty much the same as any Class in the game over the years.

Take away, have one character in each class then it does not matter what is on top, or bottom.

Luede

RaikaNA wrote: »

Extrawelt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hNiAZnSw8&t=11s

After playing one evening on my magdk, i realized how overpowered this class is compare to others 🙄

I don't think the class is op... just the sets that ZOS keeps releasing. If anyone thinks MagDK is OP.. I challenge them to take the naked challenge.. Or use NON META sets that aren't overperforming.

Mag DK use to be total garbage.. couldn't even do a single rotation without having sustain issues..

according to this logic, mdks should be totally fine on the noncp campaign...

Avishag

Extrawelt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hNiAZnSw8&t=11s

After playing one evening on my magdk, i realized how overpowered this class is compare to others 🙄[/q

if we take the facts then I don't think it's OP, just for pro gamers. I don't light weave and my dragon knight makes 9000 damage. Please don't nerf it for others jelousy..

katorga

olsborg wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Best sustain , best damage , best defense (next patch after bubble changes).

Totally balanced

Pretty much this, I wont bother playing much for another full patch-cycle with the same meta as now, magdk is extremely OP. Its not even fun theorycrafting anything other then magdk builds because ...why?

Seriously, any pvp build I have for my sorc and necro performs better on my mDK.

Simply put DK bypasses the sustain penalties put on block and mistform. One class passive gives me more sustain than Dark Deal and SIX sustain passives on my Sorc.

PVE it is even worse.

StevieKingslayer

Honestly, all I see here is alot of you LOSing bad lagging players and calling it some god tier gameplay. You can even see them lagging on the video, and you're only fighting a max of 1 - 1/2 (that half being generous because they aren't even trying combos) at a time while the others just stand around and watch their buddy die.

If you wanted to impress, you'd be fighting proper groups. This is a video record of you killing people that don't know how to play the game or who have crashed to the lag ie: "giving up" in your own words.

Magdk has been in a bad spot for years, it doesnt -need- to be nerfed. Overtuned sets need to be adjusted and all classes brought to the same level. Stop screaming nerf at absolutely everything just because it can kill a potato.

[And for reference, No I do not play a dk in PVP. I play a non meta nightblade and brawler cro. Before anyone starts in on that 'you play magdk' nonsense.]

This is not superior gameplay, this is just potato farming tbh.

FirmamentOfStars

StevieKingslayer wrote: »

Honestly, all I see here is alot of you LOSing bad lagging players and calling it some god tier gameplay. You can even see them lagging on the video, and you're only fighting a max of 1 - 1/2 (that half being generous because they aren't even trying combos) at a time while the others just stand around and watch their buddy die.

If you wanted to impress, you'd be fighting proper groups. This is a video record of you killing people that don't know how to play the game or who have crashed to the lag ie: "giving up" in your own words.

Magdk has been in a bad spot for years, it doesnt -need- to be nerfed. Overtuned sets need to be adjusted and all classes brought to the same level. Stop screaming nerf at absolutely everything just because it can kill a potato.

[And for reference, No I do not play a dk in PVP. I play a non meta nightblade and brawler cro. Before anyone starts in on that 'you play magdk' nonsense.]

This is not superior gameplay, this is just potato farming tbh.

Most PvPers know, that at the moment magdk is overtuned and this has nothing to do with overtuned sets. Some people actually took off their body parts on magdk and still won over fully equipped good players.
Even if a class was on a bad spot at some point, it doesnt justify it being over the top now. Almost every class was on top once and on bottom another patch. This time magdk is on top and as before, it needs to be brought in line with other classes.

StevieKingslayer

FirmamentOfStars wrote: »

StevieKingslayer wrote: »

Honestly, all I see here is alot of you LOSing bad lagging players and calling it some god tier gameplay. You can even see them lagging on the video, and you're only fighting a max of 1 - 1/2 (that half being generous because they aren't even trying combos) at a time while the others just stand around and watch their buddy die.

If you wanted to impress, you'd be fighting proper groups. This is a video record of you killing people that don't know how to play the game or who have crashed to the lag ie: "giving up" in your own words.

Magdk has been in a bad spot for years, it doesnt -need- to be nerfed. Overtuned sets need to be adjusted and all classes brought to the same level. Stop screaming nerf at absolutely everything just because it can kill a potato.

[And for reference, No I do not play a dk in PVP. I play a non meta nightblade and brawler cro. Before anyone starts in on that 'you play magdk' nonsense.]

This is not superior gameplay, this is just potato farming tbh.

Most PvPers know, that at the moment magdk is overtuned and this has nothing to do with overtuned sets. Some people actually took off their body parts on magdk and still won over fully equipped good players.
Even if a class was on a bad spot at some point, it doesnt justify it being over the top now. Almost every class was on top once and on bottom another patch. This time magdk is on top and as before, it needs to be brought in line with other classes.

Personal opinion mate. If you want to complain about a class being sidelined, you're talking to the wrong person. I consistently played magblade and it's been rated as garbage for years. Im happy for the mag dk's. Even if OP's opinion was 100% fact, his video still only supports him slaying potato's for the potato salad. Show me magdk's (that -arent- magdk mains in general, fighting competent players. Then I will count that as evidence.)

ResidentContrarian

Mag DK was always powerful in hybrid forms, now with the game giving hybrids a fair playing field, mag DK is broken OP as expected.

Mag DK with nearly any two sets on can outperform other classes easily now that it has lower costs in addition to other buffs that were recently given out.

Corrosive is also one of the most powerful ultimates in the game, if not the most powerful. Attack and defense + DoT that gives sustain + procs sets and itself can be quite powerful on the right builds...?

Add in the abundance of damage reduction in the game due to CP and other sources that are bugged, and the "3% hp limited damage" and it becomes clear that it's in no way shape or form balanced.

Corrosive alone is a problem if you can keep it up, which is quite easy on some builds, not that you couldn't just run around and get tickled by damage from players without it until your ultimate is up without a specific ult build anyway.

geonsocal

one "point" I'd like to make about the discussion - actually, it's more of a question, what do you all mean by "best"?

best overall, best damage, best healing, best sustain, best damage mitigation, best solo playstyle, best group playstyle, best for crushing guards ( ), best 1 v 1, best 1 v X...

are you all thinking highest potential in a specific role, best at maximizing both narrow and general build parameters (META)...

also, noob question for sure, but what do the letters in these different tiers mean?

Vaoh

Nestor wrote: »

I remember when DKs were good to play, then when no one wanted to play one. Now, they have a place in the game.

Pretty much the same as any Class in the game over the years.

Take away, have one character in each class then it does not matter what is on top, or bottom.

The problem is how it affects those who invest in one class only or even a few classes.

Most players pick favorites.... we don’t all have 6 fully leveled/geared characters and are not happy about being forced to play a whole different character due to arbitrary buffs or nerfs. This also has huge implications for who is allowed into trial group comps which can turn people off from pursuing endgame trials. When Elsweyr launched we all had to be Stam Necros. Right now it’s almost all Mag DKs. Etc.

Heavy-handed buffs/nerfs every patch are not the answer at all imo. They’re too reliant on the spreadsheet for balance.

acastanza_ESO

RaikaNA wrote: »

I don't think the class is op... just the sets that ZOS keeps releasing. If anyone thinks MagDK is OP.. I challenge them to take the naked challenge.. Or use NON META sets that aren't overperforming.

Mag DK use to be total garbage.. couldn't even do a single rotation without having sustain issues..

It has nothing to do with the sets. Even in Ravenwatch where we're all limited to the same handful fairly basic non-(otherwise)meta sets DK is head-and-shoulders above any other class in most if not all areas.

Personally, I'm very glad to see they're getting reigned in a bit in the latest patch notes. Now just to see ZOS shift a little of the love they've been showing StamSorc over to MagSorc and I think we'd be in a pretty good place (except Wardens, Wardens need help maybe even more than MagSorc)

MEBengalsFan2001

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

I don't think the class is op... just the sets that ZOS keeps releasing. If anyone thinks MagDK is OP.. I challenge them to take the naked challenge.. Or use NON META sets that aren't overperforming.

Mag DK use to be total garbage.. couldn't even do a single rotation without having sustain issues..

It has nothing to do with the sets. Even in Ravenwatch where we're all limited to the same handful fairly basic non-(otherwise)meta sets DK is head-and-shoulders above any other class in most if not all areas.

Personally, I'm very glad to see they're getting reigned in a bit in the latest patch notes. Now just to see ZOS shift a little of the love they've been showing StamSorc over to MagSorc and I think we'd be in a pretty good place (except Wardens, Wardens need help maybe even more than MagSorc)

I decided to take my DK out that been sitting pretty for a while. Well let's just say far from balance. I know my templar way better than I do my DK but my DK was holding her own in full light armor and killing other players quicker than what I can do on my templar that has higher stats. Balance you say? I felt like I used a cheat code in a solo game. That character is now being put back to her spot as one of my crafters.

Veinblood1965

Blessed are the Magdk's. They deserve something imo.

Rowjoh

Everyone knows that 'balance' is all over the place, and Mag DK's are reaping a grossly unfair advantage, big time.

Once upon a time, there was build creativity, diversity and a reasonably level playing field so I hope ZoS are considering going right back to basics to return PVP to a much fairer and more enjoyable state.

birdik

My default pvp as stam nb vs Mana Dk:
attack from stealth bursting 80% of hp
seeing how in 1 sec its back to 100%
getting billions of dots in 2 sec
getting petrified
getting dragon leap on 1/2 of my hp in dodge
congratulations you re dead

aoe undodge skills, blocks and heal in this game are out of control

ResidentContrarian

Rowjoh wrote: »

Everyone knows that 'balance' is all over the place, and Mag DK's are reaping a grossly unfair advantage, big time.

Once upon a time, there was build creativity, diversity and a reasonably level playing field so I hope ZoS are considering going right back to basics to return PVP to a much fairer and more enjoyable state.

That would require reigning in the power of mythics and arena weapons, two things they seem completely uninterested in doing.

As long as those two things give a massive advantage vs. not wearing or using them, the problem will persist.

One mythic next patch will give you nearly every buff in the game, offensive and defensive, for the small trade-off of only using one bar -- when most backbars are only full of skills that grant buffs anyway.

What took 3 sets and forced slotting skills will take 0 sets and no skill slots. I don't think balance will be better next patch, instead it will be worse.

Vetixio

The damage of Mag and Stam DK should go down next patch when their sustain is nerfed as they will have to build for sustain again. I just find them tedious to fight as they are tanky, have big dot pressure which you can’t always cleanse cause of Plague Break and ridiculous sustain. I’m all for DKs being viable but it’s a bit crazy atm

gamma71

So the answer is to make them trash again.....

Fizzyapple

You gentlemen have all touched on a point I have been trying to make for a very long time.

I only play Warden never anything else. A Bow/Bow Warden. I consistently take my bows into every patch and out parse the meta and out play top MMR in BGS as a bow/bow bruiser.

Because I know my kit.

I can't do it with any other thing in the game but I sure as heck don't flinch at any DK this patch next patch or last, unless its broken. And there is nothing about a DK this patch that is broken.

I am trying to think of an analogy some of you might understand about the way something feels when it works and you get it.. maybe something about cars or trucks or sports... whatever you guys have a monopoly on atm.. but I have no idea about cars or trucks etc..

The best advice I can give to anyone playing this game is to find the one class you really enjoy playing and the rest will fall into place.

Any questions or if you disagree my in-game name is @fizzyapple

(always up for a challenge)