Siroria v Bahsies

Syiccal

At what % magika does Bahsies out perform Siroria,
What are the thoughts of ppl that have used both.
I use Bahsies at min but the magika pool game can get annoying.

WrathOfInnos

Break even is somewhere around 50% magicka, but that is assuming 100% uptime on Siroria stacks. In reality Bahsei is almost always the better set. Siroria does have the advantage of being a front bar set, but this doesn't really matter when Bahsei can be worn on body and combined with AY/Kinra/Tzogvin etc. Maybe Siroria wins if you are oversustaining on a stationary fight and trying to pair it with a set like Mother's Sorrow (that you would want active on both bars), but this is uncommon.

I also dislike Bahsei, but basically wear it at all times. You don't really have to play the resource minigame, it's a good set even when your magic is above half full. Just be careful that you're not building so much sustain that it stays at 100% always.

Syiccal

Bahsies is being nerfed in update 33 as per today's patch notes!

SpiritKitten

Trial
Bahesei’s Mania: Reduced the maximum damage bonus granted from this set to 12%, down from 15%.
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
This set is currently pulling out too far ahead compared to other sets, creating a situation where every build feels like it should be running dangerously low on resources all the time, or utilizing powerful contextual group sets to drop low and fill up when needed. While we do want the set to reward its risks, we’re reigning the power back a bit to let other sets shine where they do best.

MudcrabAttack

Multipliers get watered down by the existence of other multipliers in this game, I haven’t verified whether that’s the case with bahsei. If you have all the CP invested, along with minor berserk minor slayer, major berserk, it’s already 1+.1+.1+.05+.05+.1 = 1.4x base damage

Usually you’d divide the amount of the multiplier buff by the amount of added multipliers you already have, in this case 1.4. If bahsei is only giving up to 8% more damage in the best case I’d say it’s a goner, but I’m not in the mood to recreate everything on an empty EU pts account to test

Never mind, I tested it on the pts and it seems to be buffing 13%, which is weird since it’s supposed to be 12% max after the pts change

Dexter411

Dunno about numbers but Siroria falls behind because it "locks" you in one place, with sustain as it is right now You should never have problems being below 50% magicka and be able to sustain it.

Bashei, wins in most cases, unless you are oversustaining. And I am pretty sure(didn't test it) that Bashei is still top set even after the nerf

Deanlolz

I am not entirely sure that Bahsei in it's current state is wildly better than Siroria in terms of damage.

Here are two relatively similar vCR+3 clears, both as a Portal 1 Magplar DPS.

Nerin'eth/MS/Perf. Siroria 62.7k:

1pc Slimecraw/Perf. Bahsei/MS 61.8k:

I did not have a Bahsei chest piece at the time of the parse, so I had to use a shoulder piece. I'm sure it would have pulled ahead over Perf. Siroria with a monster set, but imo it's not a massive difference for overall damage output.