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The state of dual wield skills and why they need buffs
francesinhalover
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Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its strong.
- Quick cloak could use a small buff.
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- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
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- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
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Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Edited by francesinhalover on 8 February 2022 01:19 Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its strong.
- Quick cloak could use a small buff.
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel the same and this is my opinion:
Flurry and morphs: I would remove completely. Replace with a new skill.
Double Strike: Quickly strike with a two hit combo dealing X Physical Damage per hit.
Morph 1: Venom Strike: Deals Poison Damage and deals a further X Poison Damage over 10 seconds.
Morph 2: Flay: Deals additional damage vs targets affected by Bleed or Haemorrhaging effects.
Reason: The problem is the number of hits makes it easy to evade. By reducing the number of hits to two it’s all but guaranteed to finish its full damage if the first hit connects. The venom morph give poison builds an option outside of bow.
Twin Slashes and Bloodcraze: No Change.
Rending Slashes: Buff DoT by 10%.
Reason: Heal is best choice. Buffing the DoT on Rending Slashes helps it compete better.
Whirlwind: No Change.
Whirling Blades: Remove execute. Instead reduce cost significantly and it heals for 100% of the damage dealt.
Steel Tornado: Deals 5% more damage per target hit. Up to 50% more damage.
Reason: Whirling Blades: Remove execute as spin to win meta is too strong. Instead maintain its viability as a play style that improves survivability at cost of damage dealt. Bonus damage to Steel Tornado makes it the superior choice for trash clearing.
Blade Cloak and Deadly Cloak: No Change.
Quick Cloak removed and change to: Leeching Cloak: Heals for 100% of the damage dealt.
Reason: Quick Cloak is not worth it over Deadly. Give it heal makes player choose damage or survivability.
Hidden Blade: Deals up to 300% more damage vs targets under 50% health.
Shrouded Dagger: No longer bounces. Instead execute bonus is increased to 400%.
Flying Blade removed and change to:
Rope Javelin: Pulls targets hit, stunning them for 2 seconds.
Reason: Execute gives it a solid reason to be on bar and lets it compete with Two Handed. Shrouded as single target makes sense as it’s AoE is obsolete with Steel Tornado. Rope Javelin replaces the clunky Flying Blade while still functioning as a more effective gap closer. Plus it’s cool thematically.
Lacerate and Morphs: Reduce cost to 100. Make it so it cannot be purged.
Only way it’s going to be worth it. It’s never picked in PvE as other skills are more cost efficient. Never picked in PvP as it’s purged immediately and Dawnbreaker is simply the best choice. Above changes makes it viable for both content.
** I know that Executioner’s Blade already gives execute to Hidden Blade but I think that this Arena set can be reworked. If not, then there is an alternative.
Hidden Blade: No Change.
Rope Javelin stays.
Shrouded Daggers removed and change to.
Toxic Knives: Does not bounce. While slotted your Light and Heavy attacks deal Poison Damage and your alchemical poisons have 20% increased damage their duration is increased by 1 second.Edited by MindOfTheSwarm on 7 February 2022 04:580 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lacerate is rly bad because of cast time and purgeable. Remove that and it is fine.
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milllaurie✭✭✭✭francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.4 -
MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.
Mvmnt speed is one of the crucial stats in pvp.2 -
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✭colossalvoids wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.
Mvmnt speed is one of the crucial stats in pvp.
4 seconds. Rapids gives more value and most classes have move speed buffs that are better.0 -
milllaurie✭✭✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.
Mvmnt speed is one of the crucial stats in pvp.
4 seconds. Rapids gives more value and most classes have move speed buffs that are better.
Do rapids also give major evasion?
Keep in mind almost every hard hitting hitting thing in Cyro is AOE. Dawnbreakers. Shalks, blast bones, jabs, leaps, standards, meteors, bombers, sieges, plaguebreak explosions... Should I continue?
Quick cloak does both on one skill slot.
Oh, also procing escapist poisons passively.
Please, if you don't have any idea about pvp, just don't. I dare you show me one build, just one, outside of a ballgroup rapids spammer that has rapids slotted.
Just stick to pve maybe.Edited by milllaurie on 7 February 2022 21:072 -
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✭milllaurie wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.
Mvmnt speed is one of the crucial stats in pvp.
4 seconds. Rapids gives more value and most classes have move speed buffs that are better.
Do rapids also give major evasion?
Keep in mind almost every hard hitting hitting thing in Cyro is AOE. Dawnbreakers. Shalks, blast bones, jabs, leaps, standards, meteors, bombers, sieges, plaguebreak explosions... Should I continue?
Quick cloak does both on one skill slot.
Oh, also procing escapist poisons passively.
Please, if you don't have any idea about pvp, just don't. I dare you show me one build, just one, outside of a ballgroup rapids spammer that has rapids slotted.
Just stick to pve maybe.
https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/rapid-maneuver
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Edited by francesinhalover on 8 February 2022 01:17I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
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francesinhalover✭✭✭✭✭
✭milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
----
Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Changed.I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!0 -
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✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »I feel the same and this is my opinion:
Flurry and morphs: I would remove completely. Replace with a new skill.
Double Strike: Quickly strike with a two hit combo dealing X Physical Damage per hit.
Morph 1: Venom Strike: Deals Poison Damage and deals a further X Poison Damage over 10 seconds.
Morph 2: Flay: Deals additional damage vs targets affected by Bleed or Haemorrhaging effects.
Reason: The problem is the number of hits makes it easy to evade. By reducing the number of hits to two it’s all but guaranteed to finish its full damage if the first hit connects. The venom morph give poison builds an option outside of bow.
Twin Slashes and Bloodcraze: No Change.
Rending Slashes: Buff DoT by 10%.
Reason: Heal is best choice. Buffing the DoT on Rending Slashes helps it compete better.
Whirlwind: No Change.
Whirling Blades: Remove execute. Instead reduce cost significantly and it heals for 100% of the damage dealt.
Steel Tornado: Deals 5% more damage per target hit. Up to 50% more damage.
Reason: Whirling Blades: Remove execute as spin to win meta is too strong. Instead maintain its viability as a play style that improves survivability at cost of damage dealt. Bonus damage to Steel Tornado makes it the superior choice for trash clearing.
Blade Cloak and Deadly Cloak: No Change.
Quick Cloak removed and change to: Leeching Cloak: Heals for 100% of the damage dealt.
Reason: Quick Cloak is not worth it over Deadly. Give it heal makes player choose damage or survivability.
Hidden Blade: Deals up to 300% more damage vs targets under 50% health.
Shrouded Dagger: No longer bounces. Instead execute bonus is increased to 400%.
Flying Blade removed and change to:
Rope Javelin: Pulls targets hit, stunning them for 2 seconds.
Reason: Execute gives it a solid reason to be on bar and lets it compete with Two Handed. Shrouded as single target makes sense as it’s AoE is obsolete with Steel Tornado. Rope Javelin replaces the clunky Flying Blade while still functioning as a more effective gap closer. Plus it’s cool thematically.
Lacerate and Morphs: Reduce cost to 100. Make it so it cannot be purged.
Only way it’s going to be worth it. It’s never picked in PvE as other skills are more cost efficient. Never picked in PvP as it’s purged immediately and Dawnbreaker is simply the best choice. Above changes makes it viable for both content.
** I know that Executioner’s Blade already gives execute to Hidden Blade but I think that this Arena set can be reworked. If not, then there is an alternative.
Hidden Blade: No Change.
Rope Javelin stays.
Shrouded Daggers removed and change to.
Toxic Knives: Does not bounce. While slotted your Light and Heavy attacks deal Poison Damage and your alchemical poisons have 20% increased damage their duration is increased by 1 second.
Wow amazing reply, love it.
Your hidden blade buffs were a bit too strong.
For your rapid strikes rework triple strikes would look better a left slash, right slash , than both swords at the same time,
I like rapid how it is right now though with 5 hits makes me feel like a machine gun.
However your flay morph is *chefs kiss*
Would make the skill work so well with rending and barbed trap.Edited by francesinhalover on 8 February 2022 01:44I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
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✭milllaurie wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
----
- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
----
- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
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Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
Major Evasion is given baseline. The Major Expedition is the only thing that it offers over Deadly Cloak and for such a measly duration it’s barely worth it.
Mvmnt speed is one of the crucial stats in pvp.
4 seconds. Rapids gives more value and most classes have move speed buffs that are better.
Do rapids also give major evasion?
Keep in mind almost every hard hitting hitting thing in Cyro is AOE. Dawnbreakers. Shalks, blast bones, jabs, leaps, standards, meteors, bombers, sieges, plaguebreak explosions... Should I continue?
Quick cloak does both on one skill slot.
Oh, also procing escapist poisons passively.
Please, if you don't have any idea about pvp, just don't. I dare you show me one build, just one, outside of a ballgroup rapids spammer that has rapids slotted.
Just stick to pve maybe.
Actually I play a lot of PvP and yes although Quick Cloak does offer good utility my point is that compared to Deadly it can’t really compete. Sure having Major Ex and Major Evasion is nice when packed into one ability. However, at the very least the Major Expedition could use a duration buff. Maybe 6 seconds. Rapids could then be buffed to 12 seconds.
Also, Retreating is highly effective in PvP (15% reduced damage taken is very nice when you need to back off and heal up) and I know quite a few people that run it especially in Cyrodiil.
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✭✭✭✭✭I don’t know if it’s already a passive, but Dual Wield skills should do 10/20% more damage on targets that are already bleeding.
On top of that the Bleed on the ultimate could scale with enemy health. Make it either an execute or a reverse-execute (the more damage the more HP the target has).
Rapid Strikes could extend duration of Bleeds or simply get increased damage / crit chance when used on a bleeding target.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭✭✭✭milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
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- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
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- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
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Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
I agree, quick cloak is a great skill.
And yes, it's only 4 seconds, but they changed most things to be 4 seconds. Path, boundless, bow doge roll etc. I think only warden wings and rapids are longer.
So it gives major expedition, major evasion, does small damage so can proc other stuff, and procs enchants. It's a good skill and needs no changes imo.2 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »I don’t know if it’s already a passive, but Dual Wield skills should do 10/20% more damage on targets that are already bleeding.
On top of that the Bleed on the ultimate could scale with enemy health. Make it either an execute or a reverse-execute (the more damage the more HP the target has).
Rapid Strikes could extend duration of Bleeds or simply get increased damage / crit chance when used on a bleeding target.
No dw doesnt have that passive, but your idea is genious *chefs kiss*I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
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francesinhalover✭✭✭✭✭
✭milllaurie wrote: »francesinhalover wrote: »Hi everyone, i am not sure what to do, i really want dual wield to get some attention but idk what to do tbh.
Dual wield has a whole has some of the worst skills in the game.
- Rapid strikes barely adds any damage to flurry, easily dodgeable. Weakest spammable in the game.
My Crystal weapon that is instant has 1k pen + many other things and does 10k dmg rapid 11.500k.
- How could one buff it?
Dmg boost? Bleed status effect? Applying major vulnerability, minor courage? After being used 2 times buffs the damage of the next time its used?
- Rending slashes is a alright dot, not too bad not too good. Overshadowed by deadly cloak.
- Would be amazing if it was stackable like carve for at least 2x or proc'd bleed status effect
- Steel tornado has a ok range but has less damage than whirwind blades making it useless. Even on pvp
- A dmg buff would be lovely.
Deadly cloak visually looks ugly (character glows white) but its really strong.
- Quick cloak however is just bad...why would anyone use it?
- How can it be buffed?
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- Shrouded daggers is pretty mediocre now because of a arena set no one uses anymore.
My shrouded does 8k dmg which is really low, whirlwind blades is better than it.
- If needed, buff shrouded damage and nerf the arena set.
Please.
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- Dual wield ultimate... How could it be buffed?
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Poll showing opinions on what skills are weakest.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/594599/what-dual-wield-abilities-in-your-opinion-need-buffs#latest
Thank you for your time.
Quick cloak is one of the strongest buffs for pvp. It enables heavy (or even light) armor users to get major evasion and easy major expedition.
Paired with blackrose dw it is an amazingly strong defensive/offensive option.
It is great, please edit your post. Just because you don't do pvp does not mean that skill is bad.
Cost is quite high though for such a short uptime of major evasion.
I agree, quick cloak is a great skill.
And yes, it's only 4 seconds, but they changed most things to be 4 seconds. Path, boundless, bow doge roll etc. I think only warden wings and rapids are longer.
So it gives major expedition, major evasion, does small damage so can proc other stuff, and procs enchants. It's a good skill and needs no changes imo.
Interesting, a slight cost reduction wouldnt be bad thoughI am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!0