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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Remove communication between opposing factions while in cyro
PvXGamer
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This would remove 'hate tells' from the equation and make the environment less toxic.
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BlakMarket✭✭✭✭Eso is literally the least toxic PVP community I've been involved with tbh, if a few salty whisper's, zone disagreement's & teabags is effecting your mental health, maybe pvp isn't for you.6
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JDredd✭✭Try CS GO and see how the players shouting and spamming mic there let alone in game chat. This is by far way better community.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean, say what you will about ESO compared to other games, but the OP is right. It would cut down on the hate whispers and taunts.
Yeah, sure, we used to laugh about the hate whispers people got in raid. We used to share our witty comebacks. We'd say, "You know you're doing something right when you get the hate whispers!"
And so it depends. Do we want an environment common to PVP-centric games, where insulting commentary is often the norm? Or would we rather...not? We could try something different.
OP, one thing to consider with your suggestion is that it doesn't do anything about teabagging. Right now, ZOS says that teabagging is allowed, but that if you ask someone to stop and they don't, they can be disciplined for it. Obviously, you need whispers to ask an enemy player to stop. Something to think about.2 -
BlakMarket✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I mean, say what you will about ESO compared to other games, but the OP is right. It would cut down on the hate whispers and taunts.
Yeah, sure, we used to laugh about the hate whispers people got in raid. We used to share our witty comebacks. We'd say, "You know you're doing something right when you get the hate whispers!"
And so it depends. Do we want an environment common to PVP-centric games, where insulting commentary is often the norm? Or would we rather...not? We could try something different.
OP, one thing to consider with your suggestion is that it doesn't do anything about teabagging. Right now, ZOS says that teabagging is allowed, but that if you ask someone to stop and they don't, they can be disciplined for it. Obviously, you need whispers to ask an enemy player to stop. Something to think about.
Meh, honestly its really a non-issue imo, and people will always find a way to be toxic in pvp environments, like I said if a couple of annoying moments in a video game effect/upset you that much, maybe pvp isn't for you.Edited by BlakMarket on 18 October 2021 00:323 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This could affect harmless communication between friends and guildmates that has nothing to do with Cyrodiil.
I have seen those hate whispers that for some odd reason is yelling at you because you killed them and blah blah blah. Anytime I have seen such absurd comments in this game or other games I just ignore them. I am not talking about putting them on an ignore list but merely not replying. That seems to get them even more worked up to the point their head explodes or they finally realize you could care less about their ludicrous bluster.
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe more customizable offline options, like setting oneself to being only offline to faction A+B with specific player exceptions feature (friends, guildmates, etc.).(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Shomenuchi✭✭✭This would remove 'hate tells' from the equation and make the environment less toxic.
Suddenly you nickname has something opposite to you suggestion xD
BTW Some ppl from my friend list are from another alliance for the reason I had a good fight with them.
P.S. Doesn't hate whisp mean that you are doing right?0 -
Einstein_✭✭✭Please not, let me get hate/reage/cheater whispers.
We have a channel on discord where we collect such screenshots, nothing more enternanting.1 -
Soraka✭✭✭✭✭I'm not good enough to get hate tells 😂 but like someone already pointed out it could interfere with normal communication. If they found a way around that I wouldn't mind it being an option that one could turn on/off. But isn't there already kind of something like that like being offline?0 -
Elo106✭✭✭✭✭Please dont, might stop hate tells but you are also taking away the opportunity for some GGs and well playeds.
Made some friends after fighting in cyro and that is well worth the salty tells2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlakMarket wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I mean, say what you will about ESO compared to other games, but the OP is right. It would cut down on the hate whispers and taunts.
Yeah, sure, we used to laugh about the hate whispers people got in raid. We used to share our witty comebacks. We'd say, "You know you're doing something right when you get the hate whispers!"
And so it depends. Do we want an environment common to PVP-centric games, where insulting commentary is often the norm? Or would we rather...not? We could try something different.
OP, one thing to consider with your suggestion is that it doesn't do anything about teabagging. Right now, ZOS says that teabagging is allowed, but that if you ask someone to stop and they don't, they can be disciplined for it. Obviously, you need whispers to ask an enemy player to stop. Something to think about.
Meh, honestly its really a non-issue imo, and people will always find a way to be toxic in pvp environments, like I said if a couple of annoying moments in a video game effect/upset you that much, maybe pvp isn't for you.
I've been PVPing for years, at this point. So I'm afraid that PVP is for me, and I'm not thrilled to see that the reaction is basically "Whelp, we can't possibly consider anything that would make PVP less toxic. If you're bothered by hate whispers, maybe you shouldn't PVP." I'm sorry, but my main character is a Legate, and I'm supposed to GTFO because I block and report people for TOS-breaking hate whispers? No.
Like, just because my raid laughed off some nasty, nasty stuff doesn't make it less nasty. And just because most PVPers have a high tolerance for insulting commentary doesn't make it less insulting. Its not exactly demonstrating good sportsmanship nor supporting a welcoming community. And when you insist that everyone has to have the same high tolerance or GTFO, then you ensure that the PVP community stays small and with a high tolerance for toxicity. I dunno, maybe that feels safe and familiar from other PVP games, but it's not exactly a healthy community in the long term.
I'm not sure that the OP's idea is practical - see my caveat about teabagging. But I will say that telling people "PVP isn't for you" if they get upset over some genuinely hateful stuff is only perpetuating a small, toxic community of PVPers where its acceptable to tell your opponent genuinely hateful stuff. I really love ESO's Cyrodiil PVP...and part of that love means acknowledging that some members of the PVP community really could improve their understanding of good sportsmanship. If they did, it'd be a better community for everyone.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Please dont, might stop hate tells but you are also taking away the opportunity for some GGs and well playeds.
Made some friends after fighting in cyro and that is well worth the salty tells
I have also had some good conversations after being killed, particularly in Imperial City. Met a follow Dune fan that way.2 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tbh. I am surprised something like this was not implemented from the start (back when the game was released, in 2014), or at least in the patch when they made one campaign Alliance - Locked.
It would be nice to have something like this. If your friend is not in Cyrodiil and they whisper your - they would see something like "this person is busy" or "your message was blocked" etc. Same if a player you are trying to whisper is in IC and you are not.
The only whispers you could get would be whispers from players who are in Cyrodiil / IC and in the same alliance.
And it would be nice to have it as an "option" - so you can toggle it on/off, so those who for whatever reason like "hate whispers" could still get them.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A few issues.
On console, you are more likely to get out of game messages, so limiting in game communication is going to be largely ineffective.
But also, what happens when a friend in another aspect of the game reaches out to ask a question or invite me to something and they are on a character in another alliance? Basically prevents them from communicating with me in game.
Just seems rather obstructive and pointless.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A few issues.
On console, you are more likely to get out of game messages, so limiting in game communication is going to be largely ineffective.
But also, what happens when a friend in another aspect of the game reaches out to ask a question or invite me to something and they are on a character in another alliance? Basically prevents them from communicating with me in game.
Just seems rather obstructive and pointless.
In order to be useful, I imagine it would have to be zone-limited. i.e. players in Cyrodiil can't whisper enemy players in Cyrodiil. And even that won't address the issue of responding to teabagging, so I'm not sure there's a way to cover every case.1 -
ResidentContrarian✭✭✭✭✭Can anyone offer any definitive proof that the OP suggestion will improve Cyrodiil in any single way?
I seriously doubt it.2 -
driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly, of all the hate whispers I gotten or have seen shared, the most toxic PvP chat is usually my own side's.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Elo106✭✭✭✭✭You can always set your self as offline in the friendslist tab, that way no one can whisper you2
