What was your pvp experience today?

Pauwer

As per usual, being bombed by macro using dark con set mag necros, who were not playing pvp before, or if they were, no one had ever noticed them. Now they are carried by the set.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Whatever your forums your rules, but I tell you what I love that Vizirith guy. [snip] Idk your reasoning for offline mode, but that kinda behavior is not describable with forum appropriate language. Thats what I am going to experience today in pvp. No mercy for Dc tanks.

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Minalan

Dark conversion Dark conversion Dark conversion, etc. You just keep getting hit with it until you log out in frustration.

Every time I want to buy the expansion, subscribe, or buy some crowns, I PVP for a few minutes to remind myself why I shouldn’t.

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Vizirith

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Whatever your forums your rules, but I tell you what I love that Vizirith guy. [snip] Idk your reasoning for offline mode, but that kinda behavior is not describable with forum appropriate language. Thats what I am going to experience today in pvp. No mercy for Dc tanks.

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LOL. Not a tank but don’t need it to win, sorry. Don’t run in offline mode just have you on ignore after your initial salty tells because I just play to enjoy the game and don't need the negativity. Feel free to continue xv1ing, just don’t expect much respect for it.

EDIT: Although tbh I'm flattered that you think I'm a tank. I wish I had the survivability of them without sacrificing damage.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Whatever your forums your rules, but I tell you what I love that Vizirith guy. [snip] Idk your reasoning for offline mode, but that kinda behavior is not describable with forum appropriate language. Thats what I am going to experience today in pvp. No mercy for Dc tanks.

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LOL. Not a tank but don’t need it to win, sorry. Don’t run in offline mode just have you on ignore after your initial salty tells because I just play to enjoy the game and don't need the negativity. Feel free to continue xv1ing, just don’t expect much respect for it.

EDIT: Although tbh I'm flattered that you think I'm a tank. I wish I had the survivability of them without sacrificing damage.

Just trying to have a respectful conversation and hash out our differences. Genuinely not trying to be toxic or inflame you.

Hey its not an Xv1 if you also have team mates supporting you. We just won those fights by out playing your group. I also cannot force you to show up alone at an enemy keep and I am under no contract that prevents me from exploiting your bad position. Its also very hard not to Xv1 you because you literally always run straight into outnumbered situations and die. Then there is the fact that if my burst fails to crit I know for a fact you will pop a detect potion. Best defense against a I-win potion is to have team mates around to take aggro off me. Hate zos for making a potion with no good counter besides just not being near someone who is abusing using them.

[snip] I just T bag, thats it. Its funny and I don't need a good reason to do it. If you had never messaged me I wouldn't have started singling you out crowds to kill.

See I think you are a tank because I know you could tank veteran content with that build easy. There is big difference between you and perma blocker, but your still a tank if you got sword n board and block religiously. The tank meta blurs the lines quite alot, but I have played long enough to remember what builds were like before the tankpocolypse happened. No hate, you are just playing the meta and I can respect that. Its zos's fault that the game is like this, not yours.

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RevJJ

Went into Cyrodiil, had a ten min fight at a keep during which I got sucked into thirteen different Dark Conzergling procs, logged out.

Vizirith

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Whatever your forums your rules, but I tell you what I love that Vizirith guy. [snip] Idk your reasoning for offline mode, but that kinda behavior is not describable with forum appropriate language. Thats what I am going to experience today in pvp. No mercy for Dc tanks.

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LOL. Not a tank but don’t need it to win, sorry. Don’t run in offline mode just have you on ignore after your initial salty tells because I just play to enjoy the game and don't need the negativity. Feel free to continue xv1ing, just don’t expect much respect for it.

EDIT: Although tbh I'm flattered that you think I'm a tank. I wish I had the survivability of them without sacrificing damage.

Just trying to have a respectful conversation and hash out our differences. Genuinely not trying to be toxic or inflame you.

Hey its not an Xv1 if you also have team mates supporting you. We just won those fights by out playing your group. I also cannot force you to show up alone at an enemy keep and I am under no contract that prevents me from exploiting your bad position. Its also very hard not to Xv1 you because you literally always run straight into outnumbered situations and die. Then there is the fact that if my burst fails to crit I know for a fact you will pop a detect potion. Best defense against a I-win potion is to have team mates around to take aggro off me. Hate zos for making a potion with no good counter besides just not being near someone who is abusing using them.

[snip] I just T bag, thats it. Its funny and I don't need a good reason to do it. If you had never messaged me I wouldn't have started singling you out crowds to kill.

See I think you are a tank because I know you could tank veteran content with that build easy. There is big difference between you and perma blocker, but your still a tank if you got sword n board and block religiously. The tank meta blurs the lines quite alot, but I have played long enough to remember what builds were like before the tankpocolypse happened. No hate, you are just playing the meta and I can respect that. Its zos's fault that the game is like this, not yours.

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I haven't actually played in a group for quite awhile, unfortunately pretty much all of my friends that pvp have left for other games

I enjoy fighting outnumbered than outnumbering the enemy. I don't die outnumbered without getting kills at least. I mean sure when I went to dragon fd to solo siege it and was able to 1v3 (and you didn't engage outside an initial attempt). Wasn't able to solo flag the keep myself but I have done it plenty and plan to keep doing it. Wasn't until the same 3 came out with a 4th and then you engaged as the 5th that I died. I was always going to die, with free respawns, siege and numbers it goes without saying.

As far as the detect potion, yeah that's what counters nb's permacloak. I've fought plenty of good nb's who've killed me regardless of it because they don't rely on cloak. Cloak needs a counter because it's pretty much the single best defensive ability in game. Single target immunity, guaranteed crit, loss of tracking, with all the passives. The addition of the detect pot was to counter cloak, it itself doesn't need a counter. If you are so worried about it, you need speed. Hence why most stamnbs run swift/wild hunt/wood elf/bow dodge etc. Kit it out, the range isn't that good. It can only be up 33% of the time anyway. You need to survive at most 16 secs before having 30 secs where it's down. Also most people use tripots when outnumbered for the resource gain. Nobody specifically holds potion use for when a nightblade hits them if they are already fighting.

...I'm literally in the standard stamdk build rn. BB snB trickery. Front bar maul plaguebreak. malacath, 1x trainee, 2x bloodspawn (can't be bothered to pve for magma, which would be even better). Is running with a SnB literally all that is needed to be declared a pvp tank? Like literally half the population uses it. Yeah block is good... it's always been good and will probably always be good... I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? People have always used SnB, there was a long time where magdk fb was snb. I used to BB snB on my magplar back in 2014. It was the go to for a while curtesy of 2H weapons/staves not counting as 2 pieces for the set bonus.

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

Vizirith

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

Kram8ion

Lol got dark conversion 4 times in a row try to convince the 6 people that were on the campaign ( dead) to slot dark conv for laughs but all I got was that” I’m not using that set”
Again lol

TheS1X

Went to do some BGs that ended with one Sorc dominating everyone with a bow, he/she had 19 kills and 0 deaths while others had around 5 kills. Yup, and they say that they should nerf NBs that fall short all most every match. Not gonna talk about DC.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

I do use shade but it isn't as good on a gank blade as you might think. By the time you break free, put the shade down, get distance, and then teleport back to it you are likely already dead. If not then you better hope there was cover around where you placed your shade because they will just charge you the second you use it. I mainly use it to melee gank people in groups and then tp back to safety. We can utilize all the usual nb defenses, but it just doesn't work as good when you have no mitigation or sustain. Try playing a gank build and you will see its not as simple as just using shade to never die. You are used to having 10+ seconds to react and enough sustain to spam whatever you want. One mistake for us is pretty much guaranteed death. Despite that I die maybe twice in a 6 hour period and get 100s of kills on people who think they are better for playing meta builds or 1vXing.

People think we are cowards or low skill, but the truth is we play the way we do because we have gone through these scenarios tens of thousands of times. We know when we can win and when we got to dip. I would argue ganking takes more skill and is less forgiving then any other playstyle. Ill at least say that the typical snipe monkey ganker is horrible. Not the same skill set everyone else uses, but the skills we utilize take longer to learn and leave no room for mistakes. Unless you try it you got no idea the meta game that is going on in the shadows. Zos has zero respect for our playstyle so its like fighting not only players, but the devs themselves.[Snip]. Been playing nb since beta and ganking since release, so trust me I know my playstyle well enough. I don't need copy paste explanations for how nb works. Those "good" stamblades you are talking about? I kill them instead of watching them. They got nothing to teach me and are only worth the Ap I rip out of them.

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TheS1X

I have sniper build and I must say it is waaay more difficult than people think, NBs with melee weapons can fight better than bow user ever will. I have only 3 attack skills with my bow NB, Lethal, crystal shards and ult, everything else is for buffs and escapes. I don't feel like I have enough burst damage, I must really choose who to kill and when.
With squishy Snipe build it is 10x more difficult to play than with those unkillable godlike brawlers, healer tank monsters.
If someone gets gibbled by NB sniper, shame on you, you just got ganked by weakest class with weakest build.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

TheS1X wrote: »

I have sniper build and I must say it is waaay more difficult than people think, NBs with melee weapons can fight better than bow user ever will. I have only 3 attack skills with my bow NB, Lethal, crystal shards and ult, everything else is for buffs and escapes. I don't feel like I have enough burst damage, I must really choose who to kill and when.
With squishy Snipe build it is 10x more difficult to play than with those unkillable godlike brawlers, healer tank monsters.
If someone gets gibbled by NB sniper, shame on you, you just got ganked by weakest class with weakest build.

Try using heavy attack instead of lethal and have a roll catch ready for when they start panic rolling. Oh and use lots of proc sets to increase your burst even higher. Caluriions next patch and maybe hrothgar. You give em the SLAM and then bombard then as they try to roll away(which will proc hrothgar). Works very well for me and with calurions next patch its going to be even stronger. Everything outside of a perma blocker dies pretty easily with that setup, so you won't need to pick targets anymore. In fact you may find yourself choosing to attack the strongest target more often then the weakest ones.

TheS1X

Thnx, I took some notes.

Vizirith

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

I do use shade but it isn't as good on a gank blade as you might think. By the time you break free, put the shade down, get distance, and then teleport back to it you are likely already dead. If not then you better hope there was cover around where you placed your shade because they will just charge you the second you use it. I mainly use it to melee gank people in groups and then tp back to safety. We can utilize all the usual nb defenses, but it just doesn't work as good when you have no mitigation or sustain. Try playing a gank build and you will see its not as simple as just using shade to never die. You are used to having 10+ seconds to react and enough sustain to spam whatever you want. One mistake for us is pretty much guaranteed death. Despite that I die maybe twice in a 6 hour period and get 100s of kills on people who think they are better for playing meta builds or 1vXing.

People think we are cowards or low skill, but the truth is we play the way we do because we have gone through these scenarios tens of thousands of times. We know when we can win and when we got to dip. I would argue ganking takes more skill and is less forgiving then any other playstyle. Ill at least say that the typical snipe monkey ganker is horrible. Not the same skill set everyone else uses, but the skills we utilize take longer to learn and leave no room for mistakes. Unless you try it you got no idea the meta game that is going on in the shadows. Zos has zero respect for our playstyle so its like fighting not only players, but the devs themselves. Luckily zos is brain dead and can never manage to stop us entirely. Been playing nb since beta and ganking since release, so trust me I know my playstyle well enough. I don't need copy paste explanations for how nb works. Those "good" stamblades you are talking about? I kill them instead of watching them. They got nothing to teach me and are only worth the Ap I rip out of them.

I have played gankblade plenty. Simply prefer the survivability if my stamdk when outbumbered.


Really? That’s amazing, not sure how I can kill you but not them then? Also not sure how you do less damage and have less survivability then them? Also not sure how you have so many problems with detect pots then?

Aektann

Somebody tell me please why EP so dead on PlayStation EU in BlackReach campaign? It's lag free all the time. Dominion and Covenant having fun. We should too! Time to drop this «red zerging» on GH and do some real pvp like our NA friends

martinhpb16_ESO

PC/ EU - GH

20k DC death recap - thats a free proc on top of skills
AD 1 bar, DC 2 bar, EP pop lock - map is red

StarOfElyon

RUINED by Dark Convergence.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

I do use shade but it isn't as good on a gank blade as you might think. By the time you break free, put the shade down, get distance, and then teleport back to it you are likely already dead. If not then you better hope there was cover around where you placed your shade because they will just charge you the second you use it. I mainly use it to melee gank people in groups and then tp back to safety. We can utilize all the usual nb defenses, but it just doesn't work as good when you have no mitigation or sustain. Try playing a gank build and you will see its not as simple as just using shade to never die. You are used to having 10+ seconds to react and enough sustain to spam whatever you want. One mistake for us is pretty much guaranteed death. Despite that I die maybe twice in a 6 hour period and get 100s of kills on people who think they are better for playing meta builds or 1vXing.

People think we are cowards or low skill, but the truth is we play the way we do because we have gone through these scenarios tens of thousands of times. We know when we can win and when we got to dip. I would argue ganking takes more skill and is less forgiving then any other playstyle. Ill at least say that the typical snipe monkey ganker is horrible. Not the same skill set everyone else uses, but the skills we utilize take longer to learn and leave no room for mistakes. Unless you try it you got no idea the meta game that is going on in the shadows. Zos has zero respect for our playstyle so its like fighting not only players, but the devs themselves. Luckily zos is brain dead and can never manage to stop us entirely. Been playing nb since beta and ganking since release, so trust me I know my playstyle well enough. I don't need copy paste explanations for how nb works. Those "good" stamblades you are talking about? I kill them instead of watching them. They got nothing to teach me and are only worth the Ap I rip out of them.

I have played gankblade plenty. Simply prefer the survivability if my stamdk when outbumbered.


Really? That’s amazing, not sure how I can kill you but not them then? Also not sure how you do less damage and have less survivability then them? Also not sure how you have so many problems with detect pots then?

Man who kills you in less then 3 gcds? I could probably do it in two if I used simmering frenzy, but I deal so much damage its not even needed. If there was no naming and shaming rules on here I would show you all the good players who have gotten so angry at me they felt the need to whisper me. One of the biggest names in eso pvp is on that list and that list keeps growing every day. Life is good for me right now.

MEBengalsFan2001

Aektann wrote: »

Somebody tell me please why EP so dead on PlayStation EU in BlackReach campaign? It's lag free all the time. Dominion and Covenant having fun. We should too! Time to drop this «red zerging» on GH and do some real pvp like our NA friends

You do know that BR you can still use DC. You need to go to RW if you want to avoid DC all together.

Personally I find RW and BR ghost towns; it is basically PVE - players vs. the enemies at the keep. And when it is PVP it is 5-10 vs. 50+. Not even remotely fair.

GH feels better from my experience; it seems more balanced on NA PSN at least.

I do have to state though I would rather see total population for each faction listed vs. bars. Bars tell us nothing.

Vizirith

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

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[edited for baiting & discussing moderator actions]
Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

I do use shade but it isn't as good on a gank blade as you might think. By the time you break free, put the shade down, get distance, and then teleport back to it you are likely already dead. If not then you better hope there was cover around where you placed your shade because they will just charge you the second you use it. I mainly use it to melee gank people in groups and then tp back to safety. We can utilize all the usual nb defenses, but it just doesn't work as good when you have no mitigation or sustain. Try playing a gank build and you will see its not as simple as just using shade to never die. You are used to having 10+ seconds to react and enough sustain to spam whatever you want. One mistake for us is pretty much guaranteed death. Despite that I die maybe twice in a 6 hour period and get 100s of kills on people who think they are better for playing meta builds or 1vXing.

People think we are cowards or low skill, but the truth is we play the way we do because we have gone through these scenarios tens of thousands of times. We know when we can win and when we got to dip. I would argue ganking takes more skill and is less forgiving then any other playstyle. Ill at least say that the typical snipe monkey ganker is horrible. Not the same skill set everyone else uses, but the skills we utilize take longer to learn and leave no room for mistakes. Unless you try it you got no idea the meta game that is going on in the shadows. Zos has zero respect for our playstyle so its like fighting not only players, but the devs themselves. Luckily zos is brain dead and can never manage to stop us entirely. Been playing nb since beta and ganking since release, so trust me I know my playstyle well enough. I don't need copy paste explanations for how nb works. Those "good" stamblades you are talking about? I kill them instead of watching them. They got nothing to teach me and are only worth the Ap I rip out of them.

I have played gankblade plenty. Simply prefer the survivability if my stamdk when outbumbered.


Really? That’s amazing, not sure how I can kill you but not them then? Also not sure how you do less damage and have less survivability then them? Also not sure how you have so many problems with detect pots then?

Man who kills you in less then 3 gcds? I could probably do it in two if I used simmering frenzy, but I deal so much damage its not even needed. If there was no naming and shaming rules on here I would show you all the good players who have gotten so angry at me they felt the need to whisper me. One of the biggest names in eso pvp is on that list and that list keeps growing every day. Life is good for me right now.

Nobody kills me in 3 gcd's... where did I say that? I just... you... You know what I give up, have fun.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

The tank meta was in it's height during the fury/7th days. Which was nerfed heavily with the significant changes and damage nerfs to the SnB tree. If you think my build is a tank then have you seen Aixy? Dreesha? They tank zergs, not 4 lesser skilled players like me. If running Snb was enough to tank zergs than like literally nobody would ever die. Sieges would last days.

I killed Dreesha before and yeah he is a tank. He was duoing with some magsorc and he had his defenses down at a resource. Only managed to get him that one time though cause he wouldn't be caught off guard after that and his magsorc pet kept stunning me with streak >.<. Its just annoying as hell that he can be that tanky and still 1 shot me. Things like that make it clear tank meta is still on the menu. I think I have come to terms with knowing its not ever going away either. Pve tanks need their defense and buffing oblivion damage would just anger the player base(since they are all mitigation monsters now).

Idk man I do think having sword n board makes you a tank. Certainly not a normal stam build with two damage weapons.
I guess when your block is down you are more like a brawler, but you keep it up alot. So many times I was about to gank you and you just start randomly blocking.

All I am going to say about I-win potions is that if a 100% unresistable damage for 15 sec potion existed the rest of the player base wouldn't find that very fair. Us gankers have been pretty chill about it compared to how the rest of you would handle this sorta hard counter. Its mainly that it doesn't have any visual indicator like a red eye above your head or that blue circle that npcs have. You just start getting hit through cloak and just have to guess its a potion and not a bug. You also have no idea when you are outside of its range and its a HUGE range. Those two factors combined make them pretty unfair compared to camo hunter and mage light.

[snip]
[edited for baiting & discussing moderator actions]
Your literally just trolling me RN Sarah, but I respect that. Its actually kinda funny and am loling irl. I put a heartfelt semi apology to my boy Vizirirth and your saying its bait? Yeah you know your trolling. I know your going to [snip] this too, but idc I just wanted to say I am having fun with it.

I rarely run with 2 damage weapons on any build. Outside of stamblades bb bow, rarely does anyone. Do any magdks bb anything besides resto or snb? Do magplars? Magcros? Magdens? Magnbs used to have to but we’ll see if it changes with dark cloak healing and healthy offering self heal. Stamdens don’t need bb quick cloak with bird of prey and so they use snb. All stam classes besides nbs and wardens may use bb dw just for quick cloak or vate2h proc.

The issue is nearly everybody uses bb for their buffs/heals. What weapon should I be using if weapon skills don’t matter. It’s how it has been for awhile now, and probably won’t change. The weapon passives for dw are lesser if not using any dw skills, same with bow(just dodge speed), same with destro. 2h works okay, but resto heavy mag return and snb block are great.

But it’s not really 15 secs on 100% irresistable damage is it? It’s just damage that can’t be mitigated by 1 ability. There are plenty ways to avoid detect pots as I said before. From the fights we have you don’t use shade, why? Shade>engage> succeed(done)- fail>shade and disengage. Going pure ganker is always hard and relies on landing the successful gank. If someone is expecting the gank (which most pvpers are) then it gets real hard. If I’m near an enemy keep and I think I’ll get attacked I jump-block a bit. Sure looks stupid but it’s saved me a bunch of times so it’s worth it. Why do people block on keep/rss flags? To avoid the gank.

Ganking always is high reward, high risk. Without detect pots ranged gankers are basically invincible, I mean they still are but it wouldn’t even be debatable. Melee gankers have to choose targets wisely or use shade. Do you try and gank the bashcro emp with 120k health? Or the magsorc with 17k health?

Next time you see a good stamblade fighting watch them. Often not much cloak usage. It’s a means to break targeting not an uncounterable get away card. Shade>cloak is the get away tool. Except in the other 30/45 secs where even cloak is enough. Somebody hits you through cloak don’t keep spamming it.

I do use shade but it isn't as good on a gank blade as you might think. By the time you break free, put the shade down, get distance, and then teleport back to it you are likely already dead. If not then you better hope there was cover around where you placed your shade because they will just charge you the second you use it. I mainly use it to melee gank people in groups and then tp back to safety. We can utilize all the usual nb defenses, but it just doesn't work as good when you have no mitigation or sustain. Try playing a gank build and you will see its not as simple as just using shade to never die. You are used to having 10+ seconds to react and enough sustain to spam whatever you want. One mistake for us is pretty much guaranteed death. Despite that I die maybe twice in a 6 hour period and get 100s of kills on people who think they are better for playing meta builds or 1vXing.

People think we are cowards or low skill, but the truth is we play the way we do because we have gone through these scenarios tens of thousands of times. We know when we can win and when we got to dip. I would argue ganking takes more skill and is less forgiving then any other playstyle. Ill at least say that the typical snipe monkey ganker is horrible. Not the same skill set everyone else uses, but the skills we utilize take longer to learn and leave no room for mistakes. Unless you try it you got no idea the meta game that is going on in the shadows. Zos has zero respect for our playstyle so its like fighting not only players, but the devs themselves. Luckily zos is brain dead and can never manage to stop us entirely. Been playing nb since beta and ganking since release, so trust me I know my playstyle well enough. I don't need copy paste explanations for how nb works. Those "good" stamblades you are talking about? I kill them instead of watching them. They got nothing to teach me and are only worth the Ap I rip out of them.

I have played gankblade plenty. Simply prefer the survivability if my stamdk when outbumbered.


Really? That’s amazing, not sure how I can kill you but not them then? Also not sure how you do less damage and have less survivability then them? Also not sure how you have so many problems with detect pots then?

Man who kills you in less then 3 gcds? I could probably do it in two if I used simmering frenzy, but I deal so much damage its not even needed. If there was no naming and shaming rules on here I would show you all the good players who have gotten so angry at me they felt the need to whisper me. One of the biggest names in eso pvp is on that list and that list keeps growing every day. Life is good for me right now.

Nobody kills me in 3 gcd's... where did I say that? I just... you... You know what I give up, have fun.

Nobody except me! I will spare you from what I am about to unleash on cyrodiil for your acceptance of defeat. I promise I will not gank you unless you provoke me and my word is good. Do not squander this gift you have been bestowed with by your most gracious Emperor. The fields of Cyrodiil will run white with salt, but you shall not taste of it. Go with my blessing and attacker bleakers and Bruma as you please.

wazzz56

yeah reading this back and forth has made my morning...also..ran to a flagged nikel yesterday with the hopes of pulling a few zerglings away from the masses....light attacked 2 people at the side breach and had 15 pour out with at least 10 spamming flare and popping dc everywhere..it was um....not fun lol

Auberon1983

Retired my StamDK and StamDen to PvE tanking instead. Keeping my StamSorc for PvP. I just...Dark Convergence is just too much. I tried.

gariondavey

Post patch I seldom see dark convergence in bgs. Bgs have been lively and very enjoyable with many people playing and several friends coming back who quit over dark convergence.

Kwoung

My PVP experience today was hilarious! AD sieged the delve we were in!

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Well I meant to only log on to my pve sorcerer to help my friend through a dungeon, but I accidentally logged into my NB. I didn't want to waste the log in and I needed to keep the fear alive, so I decided to go out and gank one person before switching to my sorc. Found a lone Grand overlord so I quickly devoured him and left down a road to go log off. On my way I got some juicy salt from the guy(who accused me of macroing), so it was already worth accidentally logging in. Then I spotted it, a little green book just sitting next to the road. It was that cooking recipe that is worth 1.5mil gold. I logged on accidentally and got not only salt, but an absurdly expensive cooking recipe. I was truly blessed with luck on that trip.

Sylosi

My PvP experience today was excellent, I played Tekken.

xylena_lazarow

There's a group of about 20 DC on Arrius front door stacking heals to infinity but unable to wipe the disorganized defenders. It's been about 20 minutes of stalemate with neither side able to wipe the other. When we talk about nerfing heal stacking, it's not about punishing teamwork or group skill, it's to punish indefinite stalling tactics.