Quick Poll: Do you agree with the upcoming changes to Battlegrounds?

Jameson18

I disagree with the change

Dojohoda wrote: »

I'd rather the choices be:
__Deathmatch
__All games except deathmatch

I'd prefer:

Deathmatch
Random (All Modes)

renne

I agree with the change

LashanW wrote: »

Yes since it's a test. It's the quickest way to get the amount of data they need.

This.

I shouldn't be able to play BGs three nights in a row with a group and not get a single DM.

Either they need to make a DM queue (which will probably kill the queue pop for the other modes) or they increase the chances of getting a DM in the queues as they are.

Arcanasx

I agree with the change

The objective modes as they currently exist need some serious rework; preferably in a way that doesn't actively promote avoiding PvP to win.

Parasaurolophus

Other

I think this is a test. The ZoS just want to see how the population changes. But something tells me that it will only get worse. Death Match has no less flaws than other mods.

bathynomusESO

I disagree with the change

They already destroyed PvP. Us casuals used to at least have some chance to cap flags or maybe run a ball, but Deathmatch is so bad that the pre-made teams just camp the randoms so they cannot even get out of their base. This is going from bad to wondering if they are trying to make PvP for only the top 100 players. Do they not see people leaving the BGs??? Do they not see the 500-0 scores???

To fix PvP, we need PvP only gear and maybe even PvP specific skills with balance. Stun locking people was fixed years ago in other MMOs, why not ESO?

Atrael7

I agree with the change

As others have said, separate queues would be the best compromise solution.

Me, I'm a simple man, I like battle in my Battlegrounds. Give me TDM and I'm going to be happy.

Add a separate queue for the resident chess grandmasters that outthink players like me and they can be happy there too with the other game modes.

wheresbes

I disagree with the change

Amongst all BGs, I like DM the least. In the other BGs, you still fight, but as a collateral effect to reach the main aim. While going in there only to kill other players doesn't seem very satisfying to me.

auz

Other

No, I don't agree with the changes. However, it's pretty obvious the objective modes need adjustment and turned it pvp games.

spartaxoxo

I disagree with the change

wheresbes wrote: »

Amongst all BGs, I like DM the least. In the other BGs, you still fight, but as a collateral effect to reach the main aim. While going in there only to kill other players doesn't seem very satisfying to me.

Same

ValarMorghulis1896

I disagree with the change

4 Queues:
- DM solo
- DM premade
- Objective solo
- Objective premade

Solutions could be very simple.

Greek_Hellspawn

I agree with the change

ValarMorghulis1896 wrote: »

4 Queues:
- DM solo
- DM premade
- Objective solo
- Objective premade

Solutions could be very simple.

That's exactly what i was thinking, the problem is, if there is enough players to actually split the queue into 4 different queues.
The queue time could take forever to start a match.

Tommy_The_Gun

Other

Tbh. It does not matter as long as we have DC & Hrothgar in BGs (or in PvP in general as situation in Cyro & IC is not much better). A lot of people stopped playing simply because of how game breaking those sets are. BGs (in any game mode) are simply put: not enjoyable.

Reverb

I disagree with the change

Disagree. I want the ability to choose Deathmatch. Pvp combat is the draw of BG for many of us, and forcing people who want to fight randomly into instances with people who want to run flags and avoid fights was dissatisfying for everyone.

But I don’t think only Deathmatch is the solution. This alienates objective players. Zeni is making this change at the expense of (maybe) half of the BG player base. I don’t understand why things are so black and white with this Dev team.

More people select random for rewards than pick specific game modes. Let’s remove choice and only give random.

People want to be able to pick Deathmatch, and in tbe absence of that they’re treating every mode like a Deathmatch. Let’s remove all the other game modes.

I don’t get the sense that there any nuance in their planning.

RedTalon

I disagree with the change

Will skip matches next week and focus mainly on dungeons it seems, unless need to grab a daily and such.

Good thing I play a tank so should get a fair bit of cps next week for doing random dungeons wish we could slow down those gains but oh well.

Elsonso

Other

Greek_Hellspawn wrote: »

ValarMorghulis1896 wrote: »

4 Queues:
- DM solo
- DM premade
- Objective solo
- Objective premade

Solutions could be very simple.

That's exactly what i was thinking, the problem is, if there is enough players to actually split the queue into 4 different queues.
The queue time could take forever to start a match.

According to Lambert in his stream, this sounds like a concern that ZOS has with BGs and why they are doing this test with DM. Seems like every question or statement from chat on this subject came back to long queue times and splitting up the players being something they don't want.

Xargas13

Other

They said they want popularity of BGs, it won't happen unless they will bring some resemblance of balance to the game.

xDeusEJRx

Other

I don't care too much about the change, other than the fact that some of the more annoying builds are gonna get gimped basically.
It's annoying going into a game mode with a character with a roundabout build with damage, off heals, moderate tankiness, etc. and coming across builds that cap out their speed to pick up the chaos ball or relic and run as fast they can and are unable to be caught and lose because they spec out into speed. Or a tank with 40-50k hp who just tanks out on the chaos ball/relic and require a full team to take down. It's just not fun for me running into those builds while trying to play the objective in the game on a normal toon
Pure speed builds/tank builds won't have much practicality in TDM situations

moo_2021

I disagree with the change

No premade only solo.

Why even allow premade groups in BG? In some FPS games they go as far as explicitly breaking up competitive teams and moving players in the middle of game to keep the balance - if you're too good you're forcefully moved to the bad team.

The simple fact is that people don't form premade groups to have a fair fight against other groups. They do it to screw uncoordinated solo players. If the group queue only allows premade of 4 or 2 to participate it'd be dead for sure.

Without premade, all those super tanks, new proc sets wearers would be far less a problem.

SkaraMinoc

I agree with the change

moo_2021 wrote: »

In some FPS games they go as far as explicitly breaking up competitive teams and moving players in the middle of game to keep the balance - if you're too good you're forcefully moved to the bad team.

I remember Team Fortress 2 doing this 15 years ago. It wasn't bad, just annoying.

You get over it after a few minutes and the game goes on.

Minyassa

I disagree with the change

I'm disappointed they chose this route. A DM-only queue in addition to a regular queue would show them more relevant data.

wolfie1.0.

I disagree with the change

I don't like the change. Might as well remove BGs completely...

renne

I agree with the change

moo_2021 wrote: »

The simple fact is that people don't form premade groups to have a fair fight against other groups. They do it to screw uncoordinated solo players.

Lmao they absolutely do not do it to screw with uncoordinated solo players. This is a weird oppression to claim. I play with my group of friends because they're my friends and we want to do BGs together and we have way more fun when it's a fight against other groups and coordinated players. It's definitely not about screwing with uncoordinated solo players, that's boring.

Rakdos

I disagree with the change

Other mode is like a win-win game

the DM lover can keep killing people and satisfied with their brutal power, weaker player can running around capture the point or relic and still win the game, everybody happy.

and now you change the game mode to DM only... the bg will become either premade only or 12 tanky turtles biting each other and compare who have a better kidney

mmtaniac

I disagree with the change

Nope deathmatch is good only if you have better team its not balanced at all. I like killing in this game its fun but on other modes killing is still possible and grant some objective where you can still win in other way ,weaker players can do something which is impossible in pure deathmatch.

hands0medevil

Other

It's all chaotic, one year we can't queue with friends, next year we can't choose specific mode of BG, now this... I don't care anymore but it seems there is no plan

moo_2021

I disagree with the change

renne wrote: »

Lmao they absolutely do not do it to screw with uncoordinated solo players. This is a weird oppression to claim. I play with my group of friends because they're my friends and we want to do BGs together and we have way more fun when it's a fight against other groups and coordinated players. It's definitely not about screwing with uncoordinated solo players, that's boring.

well sorry for the stereotype. I have seen how very well coordinated teams could overwhelm others very easily, including at times when I'm on such teams, and most players are in fact solo.

Maybe they should force solo players to play the solo queue. That'd move a significant population to fairer fights.

AScarlato

I disagree with the change

Hard disagree. Not everyone enjoys pvp to just mindlessly click proc sets on other players. SOme enjoy actual thought and strategy of the other games.

Will not be playing ESO during this "experiment."

Oliviander

I disagree with the change

They should have killed deathmatch eintirely
its dumb

RevJJ

I disagree with the change

In my opinion this screws over new players and players that level alts through below 50BGs. Those BGs are filled with players with golded out gear for every 10 levels constantly rerolling and farming new players.

With the objective modes, at least new players had a chance to win their random daily BG for the XP boost because DM players wouldn’t play the objective and lose despite having a lot of kills. This will rarely be possible anymore now.

Congratulations on another terrible change to pvp.

renne

I agree with the change

moo_2021 wrote: »

renne wrote: »

Lmao they absolutely do not do it to screw with uncoordinated solo players. This is a weird oppression to claim. I play with my group of friends because they're my friends and we want to do BGs together and we have way more fun when it's a fight against other groups and coordinated players. It's definitely not about screwing with uncoordinated solo players, that's boring.

well sorry for the stereotype. I have seen how very well coordinated teams could overwhelm others very easily, including at times when I'm on such teams, and most players are in fact solo.

Maybe they should force solo players to play the solo queue. That'd move a significant population to fairer fights.

They might overwhelm others very easily, but you straight up claimed it as a fact that the only reason people make premades is to bully solos which is not the case.

There are solutions to being an uncoordinated solo player that don't even involve bringing your own friends. Sometimes it's as simple as communicating with the people on your team. And I know that because I've played solo as well.