Is Hrothgar buggy?

Recapitated

I've seen it hit well past 10k on occasion when I'm by myself on a character with 25k resists buffed. How can that happen when the tooltip is 26% of resistances ? Even if someone near me has 40k resists the proc damage would have to go through battle spirit and my own resistances, wouldn't it?

Alienoutlaw

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

Recapitated

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

12.5k is the tooltip on a 50k total resist target, at base. I've been hit for that much by myself, what additional factors could negate the combined effects of battle spirit and resists?

CharlieFreak

I'm solo most of the time and getting hit regularly for 10k-17k. I'm at 28k resists fully buffed. Seems absurd that basically every 7 seconds I'm taking a massive hit from this ridiculous set.

So if some super tanky looking ally comes near me, I should run away and abandon him so he won't get us both killed by Hrothgar?

ResidentContrarian

Recapitated wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

12.5k is the tooltip on a 50k total resist target, at base. I've been hit for that much by myself, what additional factors could negate the combined effects of battle spirit and resists?

Broken damage done scaling, particularly from sources I cannot mention because it's an exploit and frost wardens will start flooding the forums with salt.

L_Nici

Well I think the issue appears mainly if you pair Hrothgar with a decent Pen. On myself (20k resists each) Hrothgars tooltip cast by myself would be about 10400, and on my build I will hit that, because I have about 20k pen as well. And a sudden 10k Spike in damage on top of all other skills going on +percentage based damage buffs like if the target is off balance and so on, can add a lot on top. Also since it is frost damage a class that has a passive buff on frostdamage (10% on Warden+increased damage on chilled enemies) gets even higher. It maybe also profits from Deadly Aim on single target and Biting Aura for the AoE and of course both together add on top of each other since the AoE is reliant on the Single Target. So the AoE gets propably double buffed if you use both stars.

So if I would be a warden with just the buffs I mentioned, I would get 10% passive, 10% Single Target, 10% AoE and end up at 13520 Damage done, add a Malacath Ring its 15184 on a Target with 20k resists each and there is propably even more.
If I have my maximum Pen of 26k active and hit a target with 26k resist each, then the Tooltip would be 13520, and then added the same buffs from before it is 19739 already. And thats just numbers I can directly control, the enemy can be debuffed to take more damage as well and it will add into Hrothgar.
Not to mention if I hit a full tank the tooltip will rise insanely and while he won't take that much damage since he mitigates some of it, a target nearby with just 20k resists will get hit with the full power the player with the high armor should have taken.

Recapitated

L_Nici wrote: »

Well I think the issue appears mainly if you pair Hrothgar with a decent Pen. On myself (20k resists each) Hrothgars tooltip cast by myself would be about 10400, and on my build I will hit that, because I have about 20k pen as well. And a sudden 10k Spike in damage on top of all other skills going on +percentage based damage buffs like if the target is off balance and so on, can add a lot on top. Also since it is frost damage a class that has a passive buff on frostdamage (10% on Warden+increased damage on chilled enemies) gets even higher. It maybe also profits from Deadly Aim on single target and Biting Aura for the AoE and of course both together add on top of each other since the AoE is reliant on the Single Target. So the AoE gets propably double buffed if you use both stars.

So if I would be a warden with just the buffs I mentioned, I would get 10% passive, 10% Single Target, 10% AoE and end up at 13520 Damage done, add a Malacath Ring its 15184 on a Target with 20k resists each and there is propably even more.
If I have my maximum Pen of 26k active and hit a target with 26k resist each, then the Tooltip would be 13520, and then added the same buffs from before it is 19739 already. And thats just numbers I can directly control, the enemy can be debuffed to take more damage as well and it will add into Hrothgar.
Not to mention if I hit a full tank the tooltip will rise insanely and while he won't take that much damage since he mitigates some of it, a target nearby with just 20k resists will get hit with the full power the player with the high armor should have taken.

This was in no-cp, so it's not blue slottables, and I was alone. I do think it was a warden, so we're looking at 10%+16% from Malacath. It's early in the morning but the only relevant, pertinent target debuffs I can think of are Breaches which would have the opposite effect. We're still pretty far from negating battle spirit and this is assuming they're already penetrating through all resists.

Recapitated

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Recapitated wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

12.5k is the tooltip on a 50k total resist target, at base. I've been hit for that much by myself, what additional factors could negate the combined effects of battle spirit and resists?

Broken damage done scaling, particularly from sources I cannot mention because it's an exploit and frost wardens will start flooding the forums with salt.

So it's broken as in broken and not broken as in OP?

stybbe17b16_ESO

There are two different icons on hrothgar depending on if it is you that trigger the dmg or someone around you. Same thing has happend to me I've been pulled into Dark Convergence alone with my pet Twilight Matriarch and got hit double 10k aoe dmg.

Only thing I can see the reason this happening is the pet has some absurd high passive armor and it first got rooted and then stunned.

Decimus

Yes, it is - Hrothgar´s AoE portion completely ignores Battle Spirit and deals close to twice the damage the initial hit does.

You can tell the difference immediately just by looking at the icons on death recap/cmx - the big circle is the AoE where as the small blue arrow is the single target component of Hrothgar.

MalakithAlamahdi

Got hit for almost 27k today, wasn't the first time and probably wont be the last either. Who thought this set would be a good addition?

FolksySpade

One of my questions is, how can you even get hit my multiple cases of Hrothgar procs? Isn't it suppose to go off when YOU stun someone? It's as if there's a waiting list for the proc to got off in the scenario were the needs are met. I feel like the way the text is writing implies that your stun in needed to make the set activate, not any stun in general coming from any source. It makes it seem obnoxiously strong just based on how it activates alone.

hexnotic

FolksySpade wrote: »

One of my questions is, how can you even get hit my multiple cases of Hrothgar procs? Isn't it suppose to go off when YOU stun someone? It's as if there's a waiting list for the proc to got off in the scenario were the needs are met. I feel like the way the text is writing implies that your stun in needed to make the set activate, not any stun in general coming from any source. It makes it seem obnoxiously strong just based on how it activates alone.

That's what I'm trying to figure out as well... I've seen a lot of screenshots with a death recap full of nothing but Hrothgar's Chill, yet it only makes sense that you could get it to proc twice by one set wearer using a stun and the other using an immobilize... Because CC cool down is a thing right?! So it must be bugged if people are posting recaps of 5 Hrothgar's going off at once in the same instance right? I'm so confused!

relentless_turnip

hexnotic wrote: »

FolksySpade wrote: »

One of my questions is, how can you even get hit my multiple cases of Hrothgar procs? Isn't it suppose to go off when YOU stun someone? It's as if there's a waiting list for the proc to got off in the scenario were the needs are met. I feel like the way the text is writing implies that your stun in needed to make the set activate, not any stun in general coming from any source. It makes it seem obnoxiously strong just based on how it activates alone.

That's what I'm trying to figure out as well... I've seen a lot of screenshots with a death recap full of nothing but Hrothgar's Chill, yet it only makes sense that you could get it to proc twice by one set wearer using a stun and the other using an immobilize... Because CC cool down is a thing right?! So it must be bugged if people are posting recaps of 5 Hrothgar's going off at once in the same instance right? I'm so confused!

You would receive hrothgar damage again if someone within 8 meters of you was stunned or immobilised. I have seen a few of these screenshots where the author has stated they were alone and their death recap had nothing but hrothgar procs. This is obviously very unlikely unless they evaded all other damage for 7 seconds. Likely a sorc has streaked through a group.

divnyi

So now that we know that Hrothgar is bugged, should we report every Hrothgar user for exploiting the bug?

ESO_Nightingale

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Recapitated wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

12.5k is the tooltip on a 50k total resist target, at base. I've been hit for that much by myself, what additional factors could negate the combined effects of battle spirit and resists?

Broken damage done scaling, particularly from sources I cannot mention because it's an exploit and frost wardens will start flooding the forums with salt.

on behalf of all frostdens:

feel free to complain as is well deserved

This is just a proc set that holds no special meaning to us atm. sure it's frost damage but we're focused on pve things atm and this set is clearly busted.

universal_wrath

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Recapitated wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there are other factors that calculate damage, not just a tool tip.

12.5k is the tooltip on a 50k total resist target, at base. I've been hit for that much by myself, what additional factors could negate the combined effects of battle spirit and resists?

Broken damage done scaling, particularly from sources I cannot mention because it's an exploit and frost wardens will start flooding the forums with salt.

If it was only wardens this would not have been an issue, I play full medium armor with 30k resist combine, I fought nightblade once that hit me for 10k, and I was playing with group and 2 sorcs just streaked at as and kill all 4 of us, I got 15 & and 13k proc damage from hrothgar just because I was trying to play as team with my teamate. This is absurd that even group play is condemned and viewed as a problem in this game.

Sluggy

divnyi wrote: »

So now that we know that Hrothgar is bugged, should we report every Hrothgar user for exploiting the bug?

Well if that's the case, we'd better report every casual that steps into Ravenwatch too just on the rather good chance they are wearing a set that isn't supposed to be working but is XD