Buff Shields?

angelofdeath333

I think we can all agree how weak mag is compared to stam. Light armor has too many drawbacks in terms of defense. the shield is just way too weak, and can easlily be bursted in One gcd if the incoming damage is high enough. I think that a buff to Shields and healing Ward could Close the gap between stam and mag a Little bit. That could Bring back the light armor mag dks (pre murkmire for those who remember) and magblades. Put a cap on it if you like. Maybe 20k Shields on a max mag build? I dont see any problems with big shields in the current meta with damage as high as it is right now

Elo106

If you buff shields magsorc gets the most benefit out of it. Get rid of the light armor damage taken penalty, light armor has the least armor anyway.

Or change light armor to give spell and weapon pen, change medium to give spell and weapon damage.
That way all armor types are viable in all builds and we dont get pigeon holed into using one type or the other.

ESO_Nightingale

Yes

shields feel awful on most classes bar magsorc, don't know how to fix that problem, but it's frustrating because i like shields, they just unfortunately don't have the power they need.

angelofdeath333

I agree when it comes to magsorc. But magsorc is the only class right now who can survive on a light armor spec. Something has to be done. Stam can just steamroll any magspec. Even magsorcs unless theyre really good. /Stamblade main so i shouldnt really care tbh. But i do

NinchiTV

Yes

Give light armor shield like 3k more in value as a whole. With 40k mag and 30k hp its at 7.4k. Make it an even 10k will make it viable at least. Flip side is if you have a magsorc running around with 20k shields thats uhhh gonna be pretty hard to kill. BUT then again there is that set thats gives 12% more damage done against shields, plus the cp (cant remember if there is one that does increase dmg against shields, pretty sure there is tho)

angelofdeath333

And dont forget that Shields are now affected by both pen and crit. if you want big shields you have to stack alot of magicka. And you dont get alot of resist by doing that. I see why People dont like the idea of sorcs being able to stack 20-30k Shields, but i dont think that will be a problem since Shields are alot weaker in every aspect. They wont be as good as they used to be before murkmire. Healing in general for magspecs relying on healing Ward is really low too

master_vanargand

No

It's crazy try to buff of Sorcerer.

angelofdeath333

master_vanargand wrote: »

It's crazy try to buff of Sorcerer.

Sorc is not the only class in the game.

Ragnaroek93

Magsorc is pretty much the reason why they can't buff light armor and shields tbh.

divnyi

No

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

shields feel awful on most classes bar magsorc, don't know how to fix that problem, but it's frustrating because i like shields, they just unfortunately don't have the power they need.

Light armor Dampen Magic is as strong as Hardened Ward.

They need to remove that stupid damage vulnerabilities from Heavy and Light armors. Shield stacking is insane as it is (my next build video will be about this) - 10.5k + 7.5k shields in 2 casts = ~40k effective HP if you maintain them. That 10k shield is more healing than any HP% heal can get you (that would be 21k of instant healing).

Alucardo

No

I agree with the folks asking for the penalty to be removed from LA instead. I lived through broken strong shields before and I do not want a repeat.

Stx

No

I remember the days of shield stacking unkillable mag toons. No thanks.

katorga

Yes

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

shields feel awful on most classes bar magsorc, don't know how to fix that problem, but it's frustrating because i like shields, they just unfortunately don't have the power they need.

Shields are not that great on magsorc. Better than others, but still not good. The primary benefit of a shield imo is the roll dodge cost reduction CP. If I get in melee range of a stam build, I'm toast. I can make a max mag traditional sorc build work only when I can successfully kite. I've been way more successful using Ironblood and skipping the whole shield stacking rigamarole.

Twohothardware

Yes

They need to buff shields and then get rid of the ability to stack shields. Magsorc benefits so much from shield buffs because the class always has one more shield than every other light armor wearing class.

It’s stupid the way they’ve done shielding and it’s not even fun gameplay to constantly refresh two or three shields on a magsorc. If you cast a different shield it should replace, not stack on top. That way shields could actually be buffed enough to be viable on all magicka classes.

DrSlaughtr

No

I voted no unless you buff oblivion damage again. 😈

Urzigurumash

Yes

At first glance it's a buff to MagSorc, but, Defensive Posture would also be buffed, which is probably one of the best non-class counters to MagSorcs 1v1, in my experience

jaws343

Twohothardware wrote: »

They need to buff shields and then get rid of the ability to stack shields. Magsorc benefits so much from shield buffs because the class always has one more shield than every other light armor wearing class.

It’s stupid the way they’ve done shielding and it’s not even fun gameplay to constantly refresh two or three shields on a magsorc. If you cast a different shield it should replace, not stack on top. That way shields could actually be buffed enough to be viable on all magicka classes.

If they prevented shield stacking, they would need to make sure the bigger value shield remains up. It would be detrimental if a Sorc casts hardened ward and it gets replaced with some other players puny healing ward.

But also, they would need to make shields have the ability to crit, or provide some sort of scaling mechanism to them that makes them stronger the more people you are facing. Because right now, they are like paper, and are pretty useless against multiple competent players.

Honestly though, they really just need to remove the light armor penalties. They do that and shields would actually be fine, as would light armor defense.

PhoenixGrey

Yes

Shields are a joke right now. Stack as much mag as you want and shield stack but I will burst you down in a single combo

Alucardo

No

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Shields are a joke right now. Stack as much mag as you want and shield stack but I will burst you down in a single combo

No, you won't.

Septimus_Magna

Yes

Shields on their own could definitely use a buff, on my magsorc I only use hardened ward which is somewhere around 10-11k depending on the stacks of Fete. I dont think a 10k shield with light armor resistances is overpowered, the problem is when multiple shields are stacked to counter burst.

Putting shields in a minor/major category ensures you can only have one up of each. Then shields could probably be buffed a bit by changing the battle spirit or max magicka scaling factor.

Hotdog_23

No

Magsorc is strong enough without it getting a buff. Think shields are in a good place right now useful but not overpowered. Honestly if anything I wish ZOS would tone them down a little more because in no CP that are still too strong.

Stay safe everyone and ZOS please fix the green tree micromanaging

jaws343

After a few BGs last night, I thought of one way that would make shields a bit better without overpowering them.

They need to shut down ramping execute damage at low health. When you have 10% health left and you cast a shield but your opponent hits you for a 15K executioner, your 10K shield was worthless and you just die.

Or, maybe shields need to eat the entirety of the final damage attack that breaks them. So if you have a 10K shield, and you take an attack of 2K and then an attack of 10K, your shield breaks, but the remaining damage from the 10K hit doesn't also hit you.

I think this is the biggest issue with shields, they become less useful at low health, where you actually need them to function more reliably.

Mesite

Yes

I usually only find out things are overpowered when they are nerfed. A while ago I just started playing a dunmer magDK then the next month the dumner lost their extra fire damage. Same with shields. I just got started using them when they were changed. I'd just like to be overpowered for a while.

DrSlaughtr

No

jaws343 wrote: »

After a few BGs last night, I thought of one way that would make shields a bit better without overpowering them.

They need to shut down ramping execute damage at low health. When you have 10% health left and you cast a shield but your opponent hits you for a 15K executioner, your 10K shield was worthless and you just die.

Or, maybe shields need to eat the entirety of the final damage attack that breaks them. So if you have a 10K shield, and you take an attack of 2K and then an attack of 10K, your shield breaks, but the remaining damage from the 10K hit doesn't also hit you.

I don't think you thought this through. You just gave a sorc the ability to spam shield and eat every attack.

jaws343 wrote: »

I think this is the biggest issue with shields, they become less useful at low health, where you actually need them to function more reliably.

That's exactly how they're supposed to work. Your shields give you a huge buffer up front, letting you attack, tank, or escape for as long as you can manage your resources. But if you get overwhelmed with damage they will become less useful, forcing you to change strategy.

the1andonlyskwex

TheEndBringer wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

After a few BGs last night, I thought of one way that would make shields a bit better without overpowering them.

They need to shut down ramping execute damage at low health. When you have 10% health left and you cast a shield but your opponent hits you for a 15K executioner, your 10K shield was worthless and you just die.

Or, maybe shields need to eat the entirety of the final damage attack that breaks them. So if you have a 10K shield, and you take an attack of 2K and then an attack of 10K, your shield breaks, but the remaining damage from the 10K hit doesn't also hit you.

I don't think you thought this through. You just gave a sorc the ability to spam shield and eat every attack.

Forget sorc, imagine a DK spamming their tiny group shield. Relatedly, if anything, I think shields need more stacking than they have now, not less. Specifically, shields from the same ability but different casters should stack with each other. That would be a small step toward making DK's group shield actually useful.

PhoenixGrey

Yes

Alucardo wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Shields are a joke right now. Stack as much mag as you want and shield stack but I will burst you down in a single combo

No, you won't.

Have you played mag sorc recently? In no cp I could burst you through your shields with ele weapon + frag + fury + curse + meteor hitting you at the same time.

Of course any stamina main will face tank it like a champ but mag sorcs barely run 25k health and run base resists so they are the easiest class to take down

MrMazurski

No

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Shields are a joke right now. Stack as much mag as you want and shield stack but I will burst you down in a single combo

The only class that can easily stack a shield is sorc. Cry that sorc is too weak? There is something wrong with me here. Still shields give a big advantage and I often meet sorcs that can hit above 10k even 20k shield. Give me an example of a class that's *** to pull something like that.

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Shields are a joke right now. Stack as much mag as you want and shield stack but I will burst you down in a single combo

No, you won't.

Have you played mag sorc recently? In no cp I could burst you through your shields with ele weapon + frag + fury + curse + meteor hitting you at the same time.

Of course any stamina main will face tank it like a champ but mag sorcs barely run 25k health and run base resists so they are the easiest class to take down

If they were such an easy dying class, then 50% of the pvp population would not be Sorcs. So what are you talking about here, man

Give an example a combo (sorc vs sorc) that most players make dead, but okay okay okay. Losing your shield is the biggest problem

Xargas13

Yes

I tried to make light armor work with dampen magic equipped, on magcro, but it's not worth it. Players literally taking down that shield in one burst, so it all comes down to this: spam shield, run out of magicka and die anyway.

I agree that buffing sorc is not a good idea, they are powerful enough. I would suggest reduce defensive buff stacking across the board, not just shields. Since I've been in too many matches, where those stamina tanks just smacking each other around, but no one ever dies, because they stack so much stuff on themselves that damage mitigation is too high, it's very often that all players have like 3 or 5 kills in DM... It got so boring and annoying that I took a break from PvP again. I want players to die, when you have like 5 buttons on each bar, its not really fun when the fights are too long.

Buff magicka classes for poop sake, sorry sorcs, but not you:)

shrekt4303

Yes

Shields are a way to survive burst, not tank

Alucardo

No

I just want to add, with the 20% freebie mitigation coming into Battle Spirit next update, this is definite no to buffing shields.

Thank you.

Joy_Division

angelofdeath333 wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

It's crazy try to buff of Sorcerer.

Sorc is not the only class in the game.

It isn't, but it's going to be by far the main beneficiary of any shield buff.