When people complain about streak..

StaticWave

I just show them this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eucU43CsXvk

Vevvev

Sorcerer: Streaks

Speed Build: Laughs

Dojohoda

Sorc versus Sorc

jaws343

My personal favorite when I am on my sorc and I streak is when the streak ends and all of the skills that I failed to dodge because I was using streak catch up to me and I fall over dead.

StaticWave

Dojohoda wrote: »

Sorc versus Sorc

Anyone can be at maximum speed though so it isn't a sorc exclusive thing. I didn't use streak to prove a point

StaticWave

This short video is to show ppl who complain about streak that it isn't hard at all to chase down a streaking sorc without any gap closer. With a gap closer, it's easy mode

MrMazurski

He just try escape. You can deal with it with any charge / jump / pulling skill.

Major problem are with Streak is stun what you cant block.

Its just a scared Sorc who does not know what to do.

StaticWave

MrMazurski wrote: »

He just try escape. You can deal with it with any charge / jump / pulling skill.

Major problem are with Streak is stun what you cant block.

Its just a scared Sorc who does not know what to do.

Yea but other abilities also stun through block as well so they are gonna have to adjust them too.

master_vanargand

Looks like a Ball of Lightning.
I think it's best to use Sorc to defeat Sorc.

Pepegrillos

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

Vizirith

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

It should probably have a higher ramping cost maybe 100% instead of 50%. The skill in and of itself is okay, maybe if anything remove the damage.

deleted221106-002999

Vevvev wrote: »

Sorcerer: Streaks

Speed Build: Laughs

This.

Earlier watched as stam nb killed a retreating sorc with speedy build. Shortly after was gunned down by 3 other sorcs while he tried to run; he was very fast but multi-stuns while the sorcs kept pace...nah.

LightYagami

Cherry picking.

Xargas13

Well, not everyone has speed builds, don't know about Cyro but there are very few speed builds in BGs. I don't mind streak at all, but I think it should give higher penalties for using it more then once, since at the moment sorcs totally ignore it. Maybe for some its trouble, but from seeing many sorcs just streaking across the map and start fights with no problem, I could say that penalties are not that high.

StaticWave

LightYagami wrote: »

Cherry picking.

At what part in the video did I cherry pick? The guy used Ball of Lightning 3 times in a row. I even gave him a head start by hanging back at the bridge. Later on I even stopped chasing him for half a second to go after my essence thief proc. And this is just with me sprinting. If I had a gap closer on I would just spam it on him non stop and he would have no way to escape from me. This also isn't the first magsorc I've chased down, and won't be the last.

StaticWave

Vizirith wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

It should probably have a higher ramping cost maybe 100% instead of 50%. The skill in and of itself is okay, maybe if anything remove the damage.

Ok then give stamsorc more healing if you want to completely gut streak. Also make cloak have a 100% ramping cost because apparently them spamming cloak is completely ok but streaking already with a cost increase still deserves more nerfs.

StaticWave

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

What do you suggest they do to the ability without completely gutting it for stam sorc?

StaticWave

Xargas13 wrote: »

Well, not everyone has speed builds, don't know about Cyro but there are very few speed builds in BGs. I don't mind streak at all, but I think it should give higher penalties for using it more then once, since at the moment sorcs totally ignore it. Maybe for some its trouble, but from seeing many sorcs just streaking across the map and start fights with no problem, I could say that penalties are not that high.

Cloak should be given high penalty for spamming it as well while we're at it.

Xargas13

StaticWave wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

Well, not everyone has speed builds, don't know about Cyro but there are very few speed builds in BGs. I don't mind streak at all, but I think it should give higher penalties for using it more then once, since at the moment sorcs totally ignore it. Maybe for some its trouble, but from seeing many sorcs just streaking across the map and start fights with no problem, I could say that penalties are not that high.

Cloak should be given high penalty for spamming it as well while we're at it.

I don't mind to be honest.

StaticWave

The build I was in had zero investment in speed. I had 30% from major expedition, 15% from minor expedition, 15% sprint speed for being in 5 medium, 40% base sprint speed, 4% from cp, and 10% from medium armor bonus. That gave me 114% extra speed, which is 14% over the cap. Let's say I wasn't a stamsorc. I'd lose 15% which would put me at 99% extra speed. I would still be 1% below the speed cap. I could use 1 swift and instantly be over the speed cap.

The point is it doesn't require a lot of investment to reach near maximum speed this patch, especially for medium armor builds. Any class can do it. People keep saying that streak needs to be nerfed, but it's extremely easy to catch a streaking sorc. The only fair point I can see is the fact that it is an unblockable aoe stun. Other than that, streak doesn't need a ramping cost or whatever like some suggestions above. Cloak spamming is a lot more annoying and has zero ramping cost penalty, but I don't see ppl talking about that.

universal_wrath

StaticWave wrote: »

This short video is to show ppl who complain about streak that it isn't hard at all to chase down a streaking sorc without any gap closer. With a gap closer, it's easy mode

Literaly, the only time I manage to escape using streak is when I streak from 1 point of to another point where jumping or running is no avaiable, like streak through broken bridge to other side and even then I find soke people following me through gap closers. Streak as an escape tool is joke because everyone can catch up to you simply by running or using gap closers while standing still.

universal_wrath

MrMazurski wrote: »

He just try escape. You can deal with it with any charge / jump / pulling skill.

Major problem are with Streak is stun what you cant block.

Its just a scared Sorc who does not know what to do.

People always attribute the escape tool part to streak so it is OP, when in reality it is only good as a stun, not even good as gap closer because it missed up your combo most of the time.

Even when streak has unblockable stun, when running away, the stun part is thrown out the window because you can only stun targets in front of you, and you really want your persuer behind you not in front of you. Lol

universal_wrath

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

It is surely overlaoded but excels in none. Bad gap closer because it is 15m and can sometimes make you go byond your intended target. Bad escape tool because it is 15m, has ramping cost increase, and can be out rn by speed or *** closers. bad as solo stun because in many cases it will throw you far from your target if you are melee build and give your target time to break free and recover. Great group stun for team work to give your teammates oppurtunity to finish off a group by ulti dump or even safe teammates.

universal_wrath

Souterain wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Sorcerer: Streaks

Speed Build: Laughs

This.

Earlier watched as stam nb killed a retreating sorc with speedy build. Shortly after was gunned down by 3 other sorcs while he tried to run; he was very fast but multi-stuns while the sorcs kept pace...nah.

Lol, you need 1 nightblade to kill 1 sorc, but you need 3 sorcs to kill 1 nightblade and you still think sorc/streak is OP? Fyi, nightblades would have highest uptime on stuns due to their surprise attack and being able to be as fast as sorcs while in cloak. No other spammable in the game has a consisted stun attached to it other than surprise attack and stone fist.

Marcus_Aurelius

Showing one video proving nothing.
Come in nocp and try to follow a streaking sorc.
I can show hundreds of video of streking sorc running away and no one able to catch them

Marcus_Aurelius

StaticWave wrote: »

This short video is to show ppl who complain about streak that it isn't hard at all to chase down a streaking sorc without any gap closer. With a gap closer, it's easy mode

Gap closer? In Cyrolag, rotfl.
Try to use a gap a closer that need a target in Cyrolag.

Chilly-McFreeze

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Showing one video proving nothing.
Come in nocp and try to follow a streaking sorc.
I can show hundreds of video of streking sorc running away and no one able to catch them

How much sprint speed do you gain from CP? 4%? Should not make too much of a difference.

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

This short video is to show ppl who complain about streak that it isn't hard at all to chase down a streaking sorc without any gap closer. With a gap closer, it's easy mode

Gap closer? In Cyrolag, rotfl.
Try to use a gap a closer that need a target in Cyrolag.

Dizzy works like *** in lag as well, yet everybody complains about it. So can we let the lag argument really count or do we pull it only when it suits us?

StaticWave

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

This short video is to show ppl who complain about streak that it isn't hard at all to chase down a streaking sorc without any gap closer. With a gap closer, it's easy mode

Gap closer? In Cyrolag, rotfl.
Try to use a gap a closer that need a target in Cyrolag.

If you are having problems with lag chances are the guy you're trying to gap close is also experiencing the same issue. I can't recall how many times I tried streaking and not having it go off while being zerged.

The video doesn't show me using gap closer either and still being able to chase down the sorc. Your point?

StaticWave

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Showing one video proving nothing.
Come in nocp and try to follow a streaking sorc.
I can show hundreds of video of streking sorc running away and no one able to catch them

I lose 4% from cp. I'm still 10% over the speed cap. Going into no CP wouldn't even make a difference for the sorc lmao.

Please show me a video of you or whoever trying to chase a sorc and failing at it. I would love to watch what you did wrong.

MrMazurski

StaticWave wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

He just try escape. You can deal with it with any charge / jump / pulling skill.

Major problem are with Streak is stun what you cant block.

Its just a scared Sorc who does not know what to do.

Yea but other abilities also stun through block as well so they are gonna have to adjust them too.

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

So true.

Vizirith wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The problem with streak is not that it works as a spammable gap closer or as an escape tool, or that it does aoe damage, or that it works as an unblockable stun. Is that it does all that together.

Is it the only overloaded ability in the game? No, but it surely is one of them.

It should probably have a higher ramping cost maybe 100% instead of 50%. The skill in and of itself is okay, maybe if anything remove the damage.

Nah, It has an increased cost for 4 seconds if I remember correctly. And you wait 6 to put the stun on again.

universal_wrath wrote: »

MrMazurski wrote: »

He just try escape. You can deal with it with any charge / jump / pulling skill.

Major problem are with Streak is stun what you cant block.

Its just a scared Sorc who does not know what to do.

People always attribute the escape tool part to streak so it is OP, when in reality it is only good as a stun, not even good as gap closer because it missed up your combo most of the time.

Even when streak has unblockable stun, when running away, the stun part is thrown out the window because you can only stun targets in front of you, and you really want your persuer behind you not in front of you. Lol

What does that change? You can stun anyone in your way. I dont understand your reasoning.

universal_wrath wrote: »

Souterain wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Sorcerer: Streaks

Speed Build: Laughs

This.

Earlier watched as stam nb killed a retreating sorc with speedy build. Shortly after was gunned down by 3 other sorcs while he tried to run; he was very fast but multi-stuns while the sorcs kept pace...nah.

Lol, you need 1 nightblade to kill 1 sorc, but you need 3 sorcs to kill 1 nightblade and you still think sorc/streak is OP? Fyi, nightblades would have highest uptime on stuns due to their surprise attack and being able to be as fast as sorcs while in cloak. No other spammable in the game has a consisted stun attached to it other than surprise attack and stone fist.

then You meet some very poor sorc. All the more cite Stone Fist as an example of a good CC skill, pls.

ThePedge

Gap Closers are OP

Allows you to chase pathetic sorcs, and decloaks NBs every time you cast.

EDIT: Although as we learned from all those complaining "I shouldn't have to build just to counter cloak", just slotting a gap closer for sorcs is a big no-no. So it's still OP as I need to slot a certain skill